Integral charge 3 quark bound system with binding energy

U.V.S. Seshavatharam
DIP QA Engineer, Lanco Industries Ltd, Srikalahasti-517641, A.P, India

Department Of Nuclear Physics, Andhra University, Vizag-530003, AP, India.

In the previous paper [1] it is suggested that there exists integral charge effective quark fermi-gluons and quark boso-gluons.
Effective quark fermi-gluons generates charged ground state baryons and quark boso-gluons generates ground state neutral mesons.
In this paper it is suggested that with a binding energy of 939 MeV any 3 (effective) quark fermi-gluons couples together to form a charged ground state baryon.
Square root of any 2 quark fermi-gluons or cubic root of any 3 quark fermi-gluons can be called as `hybrid’ quark fermi-gluons.
Hybrid quark fermi-gluons of up and down are 746 MeV, 779 MeV and 813 MeV. Out of 6 quark fermi-gluons, for a three quark bound system (with binding energy 939 MeV) different combinations of quark fermi-gluons and hybrid quark fermi-gluons can be possible and hence different ground state baryons can be generated with different quark flavors.
If n=1, 2, 3,.. excited energy levels follows

X sum of 3 quark fermi-gluons rest energy.
Another interesting thing is that light quark bosons like up boson mass=1.94 MeV and down boson mass=4.2 MeV couples with these ground or excited states to form doublets and triplets.
3 up quark fermi-gluons having rest energy 3×685 MeV and binding energy 939 MeV generates a ground state charged baryon of rest energy (3×685)-939≈1116MeV.
Up boson mass =1.94 MeV couples with this charged state and generates a neutral baryon at 1118 MeV.
Two up and one down quark fermi-gluons having binding energy 939 MeV generates charged (2×685+885)-939≈1316MeV .
One up and two down quark fermi-gluons having binding enegy 939 MeV generates charged (685+2×885)-939 1516MeV.
Thus 1177 MeV and 1377 MeV ground state charged baryons can be generated.
This idea can be applied to other heavy quark fermi-gluons.

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256 comments to Integral charge 3 quark bound system with binding energy

  • Giorgio

    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    I currently live in Australia. I have seen there’s a company called E-Cat Australia Pty Ltd ( which will sell the e-cat. I tried to contact them but I had no answer. Is this company related to you? Do you know when will the e-cat be available here in Australia? Are you getting an Australian patent? Do you have already any order for the 1 MW plant here?



  • Joseph Fine


    I think you meant that Hank is right. Is that correct?
    That is, was Hank right about his power calculation and COP.

    Or was I right to suggest that the VHT E-Cat (or Tiger) needs more X-ray shielding.

    In the entire Journal of Nuclear Physics, how many comments have been posted so far?
    I would guess about 3,000. (But it could be many more.)

    Best regards,


  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    You are right,
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Hank Mills:
    We will maintain a COP 6.
    Warm Regards,

  • Hank Mills

    I just remembered that the amount of power output by a black body increases dramatically as the temperature increases. So I used this calculator…

    and tried to figure out a rough estimation of the surface area of your current system using an output of 10kW and a temperature of 600C

    600C + X (Surface area) = 10kW

    If I substitute a guess of 1500 cm2 for the surface area I get an output of 4943.7 watts which is about half of 10kW.

    If I consider that the reactor core has two sides the surface area would be 3000 cm2, which would result in just about 10,000 watts

    Now, if I increase the temperature to 1,000C the result is 22,346 watts of output for 1,500 cm2 of surface area.

    If I multiply this by two, I get over 44kW of output.

    Of course in the real world there would be losses, but the energy output of the E-Cat has just increased dramatically.

    If the same amount of input is used for the drive, the COP can be increased.

    We have been told 1.66 kW needs to be used for a 10kW system to have a COP of 6.

    If 1.66 kW is all that is needed for a 44kW system, the COP could be as high as….

    COP 26!!!!

    Throw in some wiggle room, and a COP of 20 is easily possible.

    Is this near accurate or am I totally off?

  • Koen Vandewalle

    Dear Wladimir Guglinski,

    I do not understand everything of all your writings and theories, but from the pictures and drawings, and the parts I do understand, I believe that you have very much and very good ideas.
    So please do not be angry with me if I say wrong things. Jokes and laughings are always welcome. I am nearly bulletproof on that.

    Now comes the question: From your theory, I derive that radioactive waste comes from nucleons that have not yet stabilized in their octagonal levels, positions, orientations and rotations, but that they have some surplus kinetic energy, after they have joined their new companions after a fusion occurence. This kinetic energy is not easily extracted, and so remains in the nucleus for a very long time, and sends us electromagnetic waves. Do you believe that it is feasible to invent some technique with electric and magnetic field manipulation (or other ways) to extract the surplus energy from these nucleons or systems that not have found yet their “peacefull” positions ?

    One of the utmost important things that we do in these lives, here and now, is to make sure that we, and even more our children, and theirs, and theirs… continue to have a world to live in. We have learnt and inherited from previous generations a lot of very usefull and valuable matters and knowledge, but we have also inherited and done not so valuable and even bad and sad things and principles. So I am very gratefull to all the people that contribute to the possibilities of continuing and improving our lives and the lives of the generations that follow. Especially those who make possible the technological and sociological advances that we will need to survive as a species. We should remember that money is mostly a man-made auxiliary product, as an important motivator, and that the stockpiling of it never should be one’s main purpose in life. Thanks to the inventors of LENR and other forms of cheap energy, we now have at least a chance of not falling back into barbarian circumstances, when our finite resources have become a little to expensive to continue the evolutions that we are used to (every year a bit more of everything for everyone keeps the world at piece). We also have to clean up some of the mess that we and our ancestors made. e.g. radioactive waste, causing all sorts of DNA problems in living tissue and so threatening life of all species. Mostly the most complex ones: grass is still growing in Tchernobyl and Fukushima.

    So, if you have a good idea on that matter, that builds upon your theories, then feel free to share with the rest of us. Even if you do not want patents or money for it, the world could still be grateful, even if not every single individual knows it or says it, or even if they say the opposite, or just copy your work. We love our children because they copy our behavior and our DNA, and that is – I believe – why God loves us too. So being copied or imitated, even unasked, is as the life itself: it is the proof of our life.

    Kind Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Antonella,
    The issue is very simple: I prefer a young tiger to a fossil dynosaur.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Andrew:
    Direct conversion is a research, so far. Carnot cycle is the actual solution.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Joe:
    My Friend, you always put questions I am not allowed to answer to!
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    1- yes
    2- 99% perspiration
    3- I think it will happen.
    Warm Regards,

  • Joseph Fine

    Andrea Rossi & Team:

    Congratulations on you and your group’s latest achievement (and previous achievements).

    According to E-Cat World/(Frank Acland), the E-Cat is stable at 1000 degrees Celsius.

    As a result of this greater reactivity, can the “VHT” E-Cat still operate for six month

    intervals before the reactor needs a recharge?

    Likewise, does the reactor need more X-Ray shielding?

    Have you just been lucky or have you done more than the usual amount of hard work?

    ( 1% Inspiration and 999% Perspiration. )

    At 70% of theoretical Carnot efficiency, you are into the region of 50% efficiency.

    Is this a dream or is this really happening?

    Very warm regards,

    Joseph Fine

  • Joe

    Dr Rossi,

    Would the E-Cat process work for other elements (carbon, tungsten) for the sake of having a higher melting temperature with which to work?

    All the best,

  • Andrew

    Dear Andrea
    You spoke of 1000c (Many congatulations)
    BUT yuo also spoke of direct heat-electric conversion. Do you anticipate this eliminating high pressure steam and therefore a safe product for domestic use?
    (I think high pressure/temp steam is the safety issue, not temperature, a domestic gas boiler can easily exceed 450c

  • Antonella

    Caro Andrea,

    a chi poneva la seguente obiezione:

    “la rete di vendita non la fai con delle start-up, per giunta dandogli una licenza esclusiva nazionale.”

    ho risposto così:

    “uhm…per-ché? una start up ce l’hai molto più…non voglio dire “sotto controllo”, ma di sicuro più amichevole. Davvero tu, al posto di Rossi, segato già una volta, ti affideresti a una ditta grossa e consolidata? se è grossa e consolidata è già sotto il controllo di qualcun altro. Anzi, è facile che nessuna grossa azienda abbia permesso di lavorare con Rossi.”

    …mi è venuto il dubbio di aver detto una stupidata: posso avere un tuo commento a riguardo?

    Colgo l’occasione per chiederti di porgere i miei complimenti al designer del logo dell’E-Cat: il lavoro mi piace moltissimo e finirà presto su una delle mie T-shirt 🙂

    Carissimi saluti,

  • Bhagirath Joshi

    Dear Wladimir Guglinski

    That is normal procedure implemented by incremental scientist to get more paper out and or to show that their idea is evolving. The half heart ed solution proposed by Freer and company may be intentional …

    1) The idea is incomplete and we thought of first and will evolve in future articles
    2) if it matches with somebody’s already published theory than it is honest coincidence and they did not steal anything. If they had stolen it, it would have been complete.

    so that is my explanation.

    Bhagirath Joshi

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    Very interesting, thanks,
    Warm Regards,

  • Joseph Fine

    Andrea Rossi,

    Recently, I mentioned development at Stanford University of a new type of Nickel Iron battery. Now, Drexel University has developed a new MXene (Metal-Ceramic) Titanium Carbide (Ti2C) material which can be used in Lithium Ion Batteries or Supercapacitors or what are called EDLCs in the following article.

    The article is here and is free.

    An excerpt from the abstract:

    Electrochemical double layer capacitors (EDLCs) and Li-ion batteries (LIBs) are considered to be the best in terms of performance, durability and safety.1,2 LIBs possess energy densities of up to 200 Wh·kg−1 but at the expense of limited power capability and cyclability.2 EDLCs, on the other hand, are characterized by power densities of more than 10 kW·kg−1, for a quasi-infinite number of charge/discharge cycles,3,4

    Ti2C materials have recently been developed and are not ready for the market. But they may be useful in future E-Cat operations.

    Electrochemical regards,

    Joseph Fine

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Ivan:
    I cannot give this information.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Mario:
    1- to sell the domestic E-Cats we need the certification. In the meantime you can pre-order them to enter in the waiting list. Of course the pre-order will have to be confirmed when we will send you the precise offer
    2- we are already selling the industrial plants, which guarantee us the development of the technology.
    Warm Regards,

  • mario

    Caro Andrea Rossi,
    non ho bisogno di alcuna certificazione, mi basta la sua parola.
    Posso comprare un home e-cat? NO?
    Le certificazioni servono a rovinare il suo sforzo imprenditoriale danneggiando il mercato. Ma chi si fida di un pezzo di carta rilasciato da burocrati della scienza?
    Quanta energia spercata e quanto tempo perso.
    Quanta acqua in meno in Africa.
    Quante case in balia del costo del petrolio.
    Quanta gente in attesa di mettersi al lavoro grazie al sul suo prodotto.
    Quanta stupidità siamo costretti a subire.
    Quanto tempo perso per consultare avidamente e con speranza questo sito.
    Se fossimo nel 1912 lei sarebbe in qualche modo già in produzione.
    E’ questo il libero mercato?
    Per conto loro (dei burocrati) possiamo anche tornare all’epoca delle caverne.
    Scusi lo sfogo.
    Aggiunga un paio di e-cat alla sua lista di preordini sperando che nel 2015 si possa vedere una consegna. Da qui ad allora lei avrà fatto altri passi in avanti e i suoi clienti molti passi indietro. La certifico io una cosa, se non va sul mercato tempestivamente si troverà a corto di finanze ed i burocrati (che hanno sempre dei mandanti) faranno festa come i soldati sotto la croce mentre si dividevano i cenci di quell’Uomo.
    Cordiali saluti.

  • Ivan

    Dear Mr Roosi, I spent the weekend thinking about how the ecat could work, and I have a question: The ecat needs Nickel nano powder, Hydrogen, catalizer, presure and heat, any heat? the source of heat do not need to be electric or need to be?
    Is there another factor in the activation of the ecat, like electromagnetic radiation or electric fields in different shapes?, In your demos in youtube, I seen the blue box open and there was not electronics there but some relays and controlers I suppose to control the intensity of current in the electric heaters.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Paolo:
    The certification for the domestic apparatus will take much more time.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Joe:
    1- no
    2- no
    Warm Regards,

  • Wladimir Guglinski


    Dear Joshi,
    John Arrington and the physicists who published their article in the journal Nature are trying to explain the structure of light nuclei detected in recent experiments, and in their attempt they are trying to keep the old principles adopted in current Nuclear Physics.

    However, it seems they are forgetting that any new explanation must be fit to the old known nuclear properties of the nuclei.

    Consider the proposal of the paper published in Nature.
    According to the paper, the 10Ne20 is formed by 5 nucleons 2He4.
    Then look at the Figure 1 of their paper:

    There is no way, by considering that structure, to explain the nuclear depth of 10Ne20.
    With that structure, the 3 nucleons 2He4 situated in the vertical line (which passes through the center of the nucleus) would have the same energy level.
    And the other 2 nucleons 2He4 situated at left and right of the vertical line would have the same energy level.

    Therefore, with that structure proposed in the paper published by Nature, the 10Ne20 would have only two energy levels.

    But the Mayer-Jensen table shows that 10Ne20 must have at least four different energy levels.

    In the page 219 of my book Quantum Ring Theory begins the chapter entitled <Definitive Coherent Structure of New Nuclear Model, in which it is shown, step by step, the formation of the nuclei, and their energy levels follow exactly the levels existing in the Mayer-Jensen table.

    As you, dear Joshi, already also proposed a new nuclear model, you may understand that such model proposed in the journal Nature cannot explain the levels of energy within the nuclei.


  • Wladimir Guglinski

    Plagiarism in the Journal Nature

    To: Philip Campbell
    Editor-in-Chief, journal Nature

    cc: Peter Jones, Editor, Bäuu Instute Press, publishing house of Quantum Ring Theory

    Subject: Plagiarism in the journal Nature

    Dear Editor-in-Chief

    The journal Nature published in 19 July 2012 the paper “How atomic nuclei cluster” , where there is a plagiarism of an idea of mine, proposed in my book Quantum Ring Theory, published in 2006.

    According to current Nuclear Physics, the nuclei have a spherical distribution of the protons and neutrons within the nuclei.

    In 1993 I started a deep analysis of the current Nuclear Theory, and then I arrived to the conclusion that, by considering the fundamental principles adopted in the theory, it was impossible to conceive a satisfactory model of nucleus, in order to explain the nuclear properties of the nuclei.
    The theoretical reasons which invalidate the current nuclear models of Nuclear Physics are exhibited in the following chapters of my book:
    Chapter 10 – Critique to the Models of Nuclear Physics , page 123
    Chapter 11- Electric Quadrupole Moment , page 136
    Chapter 12- Incompatibility Between Nuclear Theory and Electric Quadrupole Moment, page 149
    Chapter 13- Beta Decay , page 156

    Taking in consideration that from the current principles of Nuclear Theory it was impossible to find a satisfactory model of nucleus, that’s why I have started a theoretical research, so that to find a new nuclear model, capable to be fit to all the known nuclear properties of the nuclei.

    According to my new nuclear model, the distribution of protons and neutrons within the light nuclei do not perform a spherical structure, as considered in current Nuclear Physics. Instead of, according to my Quantum Ring Theory, the light nuclei have a flat distribution of nucleons.

    Such sort of flat distribution was published in the Nature’s paper “How atomic nuclei cluster” , by J. P. Ebran, E. Khan, T. Niksic, and D. Vretenar, in 19 July 2012.

    In 18 July 2012 Martin Freer had published in News & Views the article “Nuclear physics: Nucleons come together”, and I sent him the following comment:

    Dear Martin Freer
    With that distribution of charge of the 10Ne20 structure shown in Figure 1, how to explain that 10Ne20 has null electric quadrupole momentum ? That structure shown in Figure 1 is not spherical, and therefore 10Ne20 could not have null electric quadrupole momentum (detected in experiments concerning nuclear data)

    And he sent me the following reply:

    Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:53:09 +0100
    Subject: Re: ?spam? Re: Nuclear physics: Nucleons come together

    The nucleus is intrinsically deformed as shown, but has spin 0. Consequently, there is no preferred orientation in the laboratory frame and thus the experimental quadrupole is an average over all orientations and hence is zero. Experimentally is is possible to show that the deformation of the ground state is non zero by breaking the symmetry and rotating the nucleus.

    His explanation is just the same explanation proposed in the page 137 of my book published in 2006, concerning to the oxygen nucleus 8O116, where it is written the following:

    Note that as the 8O16 has a null nuclear magnetic moment m=0, then its nuclear spin cannot be aligned toward a direction by applying an external magnetic field, and so its nuclear spin can indeed be chaotic. So the x-y plane has a chaotic rotation, and the six nucleons 1H2 performs the surface of a sphere, and the z-axis has a chaotic rotation around the center of the nucleus 8O16. By consequence the 8O16 behaves like if it should be a spherical distribution of positives loads, and not a flat distribution. That’s why the 8O16 has Q(b) = 0.

    In spite of the nucleus 8O16 (and also the 10Ne20) have a total nuclear spin zero, however the nucleus has a rotation (and such rotation I had called “spin” in my argument). So, the idea proposed by me was the same idea mentioned by Martin Freer, used by the authors of the paper “How atomic nuclei cluster”

    Dear Editor-in-Chief,
    I would like my comment be published in the next issue of the journal Nature, so that to eliminate the plagiarism.

    Also, I recommend that, before to publish new papers regarding any new model of the nucleus, the editors of Nature should suggest to the authors to read my book, in order to avoid future plagiarisms.


  • Joe

    Dr Rossi,

    1. Is it possible to reverse the E-Cat process and transmute copper into nickel, also releasing energy? If it were, a point of equilibrium could be established artificially whereby the proportions of the two reactants would be maintained, and a refueling of the E-Cat would not be necessary for a very, very long time due only to the fact that tremendous amounts of energy are available in the form of mass.

    2. Could the E-Cat process avail itself for the remediation of various waste products (chemical, nuclear, biological)?

    All the best,

  • Paolo

    Salve, sono un tuo sostenitore della prima ora e son diversi mesi che ho prenotato; volevo sapere qualcosa sui tempi probabili per il superamento della certificazione e per la commercializzazione in italia… Perchè non selezionate qualche famiglia magari in Italia per una prova sul campo ? Questo in un momento così difficile farebbe schizzare l’interesse dell’opinione pubblica su qualcosa di molto positivo e darebbe anche un pò di speranza.. Mi prenoto fin da adesso per una eventuale selezione promozionale… Un saluto di cuore…Paolo

  • Wladimir Guglinski

    Dear Bhagirath Joshi

    Let’s interpret the structure of 20Ne detected by experiments, published in Nature, according to my new nuclear model proposed in Quantum Ring Theory.

    See the figures in the link:

    Figure 1:

    1- The hexagonal floor (formed by six nucleons 1H2) gyrates about the x-axis (in my book, I had chosen the z-axis as the axis about which the nucleus gyrates).

    2- So, that vertical central line in the Figure 1 is the plane where the hexagonal floor is formed.

    3- In the oxygen nucleus the first hexagonal floor is complete. With the addition of two nucleons 1H2 (forming the 20Ne), the two 1H2 take the opposites sides regarding the hexagonal floor (each one at the side of the vertical line in the center of the Figure 1).
    Look for instance the Figure 4 in this link:
    The nucleus shown in the link has 7 complete hexagonal floors, and two additional nucleons 1H2 take place in opposite positions regarding the central 2He4 (these two 1H2 are shown as white balls.
    Therefore, in Figure 1 of the Nature article that two orange balls with distances -1fm and +1fm regarding the vertical central line are the two additional 1H2 of the 20Ne.

    Figure 2:

    1- There is a central blue shadow. It is suggesting that it is a central 2He4, because:

    1.a- The nucleons 1H2 of the hexagonal floor gyrate about the central 2He4. Therefore, in the experiments, the central 2He4 is “shadowed” by the nucleons 1H2 which gyrate about it.

    1.b- The nucleons 1H2 appear clearly in the figure (as orange) because, as the 6 nucleons gyrate about the central 2He4, each 1H2 occupies in the time T+delta(T) the same place occupied by other nucleon 1H2 in the time T. So, each 1H2 reinforce the image of another one.

    1.c- The two nucleons 1H2 which do not belong to the hexagonal floor are not shadowed by the rotation of the floor. Therefore their image is not shadowed by the rotation of the hexagonal floor (that’s why they appear as orange).


  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Claud:
    Thank you,
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Hank Mills:
    Thank you,
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    Interesting, thank you,
    Warm Regards,

  • Joseph Fine


    For further information on the new version of the Nickel Iron battery:


    Nature Communications | Article
    An ultrafast nickel–iron battery from strongly coupled inorganic nanoparticle/nanocarbon hybrid materials

    Hailiang Wang, Yongye Liang, Ming Gong, Yanguang Li,
    Wesley Chang, Tyler Mefford, Jigang Zhou, Jian Wang,
    Tom Regier, Fei Wei & Hongjie Dai


    26 June 2012

    Ultrafast rechargeable batteries made from low-cost and abundant electrode materials operating in safe aqueous electrolytes could be attractive for electrochemical energy storage. If both high specific power and energy are achieved, such batteries would be useful for power quality applications such as to assist propelling electric vehicles that require fast acceleration and intense braking. Here we develop a new type of Ni–Fe battery by employing novel inorganic nanoparticle/graphitic nanocarbon (carbon nanotubes and graphene) hybrid materials as electrode materials. We successfully increase the charging and discharging rates by nearly 1,000-fold over traditional Ni–Fe batteries while attaining high energy density. The ultrafast Ni–Fe battery can be charged in ~2 min and discharged within 30 s to deliver a specific energy of 120 Wh kg−1 and a specific power of 15 kW kg−1. These features suggest a new generation of Ni–Fe batteries as novel devices for electrochemical energy storage.

    This might be good for something…. Even cars?!


  • Joseph Fine

    Andrea Rossi &

    When you will use Nickel and Hydrogen to generate electricity, you might also want to store some electricity in a Nickel-Iron battery. According to the Swedish journal “Ny Teknik”(New Technology), there have been recent improvements to the old varieties of Nickel-Iron Batteries. For the benefit of non-Swedish speakers, here is the English translation of the article (or artikel).


  • Bhagirath Joshi

    Wladimir Guglinski

    Very good. Now it will be a good idea to also send it to the Nature editor. Since he is really against plagiarism. He will make sure that your comment is published in the next issue.

    Bhagirath Joshi

  • Hank Mills

    Hello Andrea,

    It is very exciting that such great progress is taking place!

    My mind is racing!

    My guess is that if this is about the high temperature E-Cats, that the breakthrough was even higher temperatures with total stability, or much longer periods between “drives” which would increase the COP tremendously.

    Of course I cannot help but dream of the possibility that you may announce temperatures of far higher than 600C, and an almost total elimination of the drive resulting in a higher COP.

    Don’t get me wrong. A COP of 6 is already VERY HIGH. It is an AMAZING breakthrough. However, a higher COP and the elimination of the drive would make it easy to close loop a system. Also, if the drive was eliminated or tremendously reduced (for example only used as an emergency fail safe), then even a less efficient heat to electricity converting technology could be utilized.

    If the COP is through the roof, an E-Cat could simply be connected to a currently available thermal-electric generator with a 5% or 6% efficiency, and be more cost effective than a solar panel.

    I really think many people would prefer a ten kilowatt high temp E-Cat capable of producing a constant 500 watts of power 24 hours a day, instead of a solar panel that could only produce power part of the day.

    Of course I am dreaming here. I do not know what the breakthrough was, but I am very eager to find out!

    Please don’t keep us in suspense too long!!!

    Hank Mills

  • Claud

    Dear Andrea, the emphasys of your words about the positive results of the tests in progress in these days make me feel that for the third time (after the e-cat and the mega-cat) you achived some new goal in the hot-cat challenge. I wish to congratulate for this further result and keep on waiting to read the report of your wonderful experiment.
    I’m happy and in proud for being one of the earliest supporter of your work on this site.

    Claudio Rossi

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear eernie1:
    I wish you are right, but, honestly, it will take some more time to arrive to the electric power production. But after the tests of this week we are accelerating. Sooner or later you will know that this very week we made history for what concerns our work. It has been the most important work after October 2011.
    Warmest Regards,

  • eernie1

    Ing Rossi;
    One of the most important effects of your invention(hardly ever mentioned)is that the delivery of power to the user now becomes much safer.By locating the power source(Ecat)closer to the site,you can eliminate much of the need for the high voltage AC power now required for transporting(necessary for efficiency) the power over long distances.Not only is this dangerous but very costly to maintain.We can thus eliminate a source of power which kills many people and causes many home fires every year.The use of low voltage DC can eliminate this problem and reduce insurance costs drastically.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Nixter:
    Thank you for your insight.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Luke:
    The domestic E-Cats will need more time for the certification. The industrial E-Cats are already for sale.
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear piero from Italy:
    1- we will find the best possible solution
    2- there is not a link between these events
    3- we did our best
    4- actually, this is what happened for the 1st 1 MW plant
    Warm Regards,

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear g.Luca from Italy:
    1- yes
    2- in every territory the Licensees will choose them, thay will have to study our manuals and make an exam with us. If they will make a good performance in the exam they will become certified operators
    3- same as above
    4- you can contact
    Warm Regards,

  • g.Luca from italy

    In Australia E-CAT è già una realtà commerciale?
    Quale saranno le strategie per istruire gli installatori?
    Sarà possibile far parte degli installatori anche in Italia?
    Mi immagino che gli E-CAT dovranno essere installati non certo dagli idraulici ma personale (anche liberi professionisti) appositamente istruiti in quanto, l’economicità dell’impiego dell’E-CAT, dovrà necessariamente passare anche da una complementarità con l’impianto di riscaldamento già presente (bollitori, accumulatori, condense…..etc….).
    Ing. Rossi sarei interessato a sviluppare queste possibilità.
    Che ne dice?

  • piero from italy

    Dr. Rossi
    1) for the replacement of the dust may be you are thinking of the possibility of being able to extract a box secured to deliver to assistance shop for replacing that could be automatically set up with any cards control..cheaper.
    2) In recent days, you spoke of the great difficulties in obtain authorizations for a dry e- cat, then did you came to a direct conversion heat-energy?.
    3) Would not it be better to decide on a sale of these items much more compact and simpler manufacturing and maintenance.?
    4) Maybe these objects are initially allocated to the military with their enormous applications for them ?…

  • Wladimir Guglinski

    Dear Bhagirath Joshi,

    I sent the following reply to Martin Freer:

    Dear Martin Freer,

    the explanation given by you is just the same proposed in my book Quantum Ring Theory, published in 2006, where it is proposed a new nuclear model, which works with different principles of those addopted in current Nuclear Physics.

    As my new nuclear model works with different principles of those considered in current Nuclear Physics, I never tried to publish my theory in a reputed peer review journal of nuclear physics, because it is obvious that the referees would not accept my paper for publication, since my theory defies some fundamental principles of current theories.
    That’s why I decided to publish my theory in a book form, in 2006.

    In my new nuclear model, the nuclei aggregation is NOT promoted by the strong force. Instead of the strong force, the nucleons are kept by a flux (Dirac string) produced by a central 2He4 (so, you may understand that my theory could never be accepted for publication in peer review journals, because the referees would reject a nuclear model where the strong force does not promote the nuclei aggregation).

    In John Arrington experiment (released in March-2012) it was detected that in the beryllium 4Be9 the neutron is 7fm far away from the central cluster.
    So, Arrington’s experiment is suggesting that my hypothesis (that strong force does not promote the nuclei aggregation) is correct.

    Arrington supposed that in the structure of beryllium there are two central clusters of nucleons, each resembling a helium-4 nucleus.
    However, I think Arrington’s interpretation is wrong. Because according to my new nuclear model, the cluster is formed by the central 2He4 and two deuteriuns 1H2 captured by the flux of the 2He4.
    See the structure of 4Be8 in the figure 6.2 exhibited in this link:

    Regarding the fact that some nuclei (as 4Be8, 8O16, 20Ne10, etc. ) have NOT a spherical form, but they have null electric quadrupole moment, in my theory I used the same argument proposed by you now.
    See in the figure 6.3 of the link above my explanation for the reason why 8O16 has null electric quadrupole momentum, in spite of in my theory the structure of 8O16 is NOT spherical .
    My explanation is the same proposed by you.

    From the principles addopted in current Nuclear Physics, I think there is NO WAY to explain the structures of the light nuclei detected now in the recent experiments. Because according to Nuclear Physics the nuclei with Z=pair and N=pair must have a spherical distribution of nucleons.


  • Wladimir Guglinski

    Bhagirath Joshi wrote in July 19th, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Wladimir G:
    here is the recent article in nature. I think they are trying to present your ideas of Ring theory. Here is the link
    I think a step in right direction.

    Dear Joshi
    I am very thankfull to you.

    I sent the following message to Martin Freer:

    Dear Martin Freer,
    With that distribution of charge of the 10Ne20 structure shown in Figure 1, how to explain that 10Ne20 has null electric quadrupole momentum ?
    That structure shown in Figure 1 is not spherical, and therefore 10Ne20 could not have null electric quadrupole momentum (detected in experiments concerning nuclear data)

    Martin Freer sent me the following reply:

    Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:53:09 +0100
    Subject: Re: ?spam? Re: Nuclear physics: Nucleons come together

    The nucleus is intrinsically deformed as shown, but has spin 0. Consequently, there is no preferred orientation in the laboratory frame and thus the experimental quadrupole is an average over all orientations and hence is zero. Experimentally is is possible to show that the deformation of the ground state is non zero by breaking the symmetry and rotating the nucleus.


  • Luke

    Gentile Ing. rossi,
    quando sarà possibile acquistare un domestic e-cat in Italia?

  • Nixter

    Engineer Andrea Rossi,

    Your comments about pending big news is causing intense levels of anticipation among those of us following your progress.

    Quotes from July 19th, 2012;

    “, at the same time we are working on the Hot Cats and this thread will carry also to the field you are talking of. Important information about the high temperature E-Cats is on its way, after that applications will follow suite.”

    “,..In this week we got momentous events.
    We are working very, very hard and not to displace air and we are making plants, not chatters.
    Warm Regards,

    Great to hear you saying this, I expect that all of us will be gratified when we finally see what you have been up to in your laboratory for the last year or so.

    Well known Physicist Richard Garwin once said that before he can accept LENR as fact, he needs to see a device that will reliably boil water on demand, so he can have a cup of tea. Mr Garwin thinks that LENR systems can not possibly function as advertised, and that any such claims are caused by measurement errors.

    Andrea, of course your E-Cat technology can easily perform this “impossible” task, the real problem is how to get the technology in your E-Cats taken seriously by the world so that you can bring these much needed devices to the marketplace as soon as possible. Acceptance will follow deployment, just as you have been saying over the last few years, when functional E-Cats are being sold to the public without problems, anyone questioning their reality will not be taken seriously.

    I am interested in the possibility that you will next construct a Hot-Cat to Steam Turbine generator set that will run in closed loop mode. If and when you do this, the impossible becomes possible. To see this hardware configuration running without external power input, while making large amounts of electric power will be an occasion for wild celebration for me!

    We await confirmation of the fruits of your labor with barely contained enthusiasm, such enormous leaps of technology have rarely been seen in modern times. Watching this story unfold has been gratifying and educational. Because of your work, we will soon be living in very interesting times.

    A question, is there an official birth date of the E-Cat, I mean, when did you first think of it as an energy source? What is your favorite aspect of Engineering? Thinking about and mentally analyzing the original concepts, the drafting and CAD work, the theory behind the process, or hands on, dirt under the fingernails construction and testing of the hardware? Or all of the above?

    I have read that new phenomena are being seen by others in the field, things like superconductivity and cooling effects have been reported. If true then there will be more discoveries coming from this new field of science, it gives all of us something to look forward to in the future.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear g.Luca from Italy:
    I learn something from every comment.
    Warm Regards,

  • g.Luca from italy

    Caro Ing.
    il fatto che Lei risponda anche alle e-mail dell’uomo qualunque, quale sono io, mi rinfranca molto e fa si che sicuramente Lei verrà ricordato anche per questo.
    Sono ammirato e contento di aver scambiato, anche solo semplicemente con poche righe, due parole con Lei. Penso dobbiamo essere tutti molto riconoscenti per quello che ha fatto insieme al prof. Focardi. Spero di non averla annoiata e buon (hard) lavoro.
    Attenderò con ansia le novità.

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