Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestion; by the way, I never ignore suggestions, on the contrary, I always consider them.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I am sure that you will ignore this suggestion, but here it goes.
You need to have a powerful (appealing) public demonstration for the 3 kW NGU product. Lighting 230 100W LED bulbs (13 W power consumption each) is too boring, let along too bright! Same for boiling water (reference circa 2011). Boring!
How about two 0.5 to 0.75 hp water pumps making fountains of water – two in case one pump fails, the other continues, to show it was not the NGU. Run it “forever” with no outside wires seen going to the pump(s), other than from the NGU. Add some slowly changing LED color lights illuminating the fountain to show time is advancing. Artistic, beautiful, not boring,
How about a cargo-carrying drone copter carrying one or more 3 kW NGU units. These copters can carry loads from a few pounds to 90 kg. Use the onboard drone batteries to takeoff but keep the batteries charged using power from the NGU(s). Have it fly for a day or two – much longer than the onboard batteries could support. Have it fly a fixed pattern with satellite positioning reported every couple of minutes. Let the public follow the drone’s position, total distance covered, total time-duration, total energy used, telemetry, first person camera view… Aircraft flashing lights on the copter for daytime and nighttime operation. Interesting, not boring!
Maybe also power the ground station using the 3 kW NGU. Real-time connect the video to the internet.
For the 3kW NGU unit – voltage and current limitations will affect possible output combinations.
Most applications I can reasonably think of will handle up to a current of 25 or 30 Amperes, based on conductor size. Likewise, a DC voltage of 500 Volts or 1,000 Volts also seems to be a limitation, based on insulation requirements and safety.
For example, a solar inverter will have a PV voltage input range of 100 VDC to 500 VDC and a maximum current input of 15 Amps to 25 Amps.
It is certain that Power = Voltage times Amperage.
If these bound the output regime of the 3 kW NGU unit, can we safely assume that the output of the 3 kW NGU unit will likely be within a range of 100 VDC (and 30 Amps) and 1,000 VDC (and 3 Amps)?
Steven Nicholes Karels:
The customized options requested by the Clients will be discussed and resolved depending on their specific situations,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In a previous post I asked if 200VDC output was available from the 3kW NGU unit, and whether two such units could be connected serially.
Your response was “1,2- it is possible, but must be done by certified electric installation contractors.”
Please clarify:
1. Does this mean the certified contractor will configure the 3kW NGU to output 200VDC; OR
2. Does it mean that the delivered 3kW NGU will provide 200VDC output and any integration of the NGU unit must be accomplished by a certified contractor?
Conceptual Proposal for eCat NGU power for Hawaii.
Problem: Hawaii consists of several island. The islands do not share electrical power. Therefore, each island has independent power. The State of Hawaii has determined to minimize the use of fossil fuels for electrical power generation. (All fossil fuels are imported by ship as well as for environmental considerations.) Solar and Wind are alternatives but they cannot be BaseLoad electricity suppliers due to their intermittent power generation (nighttime and no wind conditions). Average cost for electricity in the State of Hawaii is about $0.40 per kW-hr.
Proposed Solution: Integrate eCat NGO 3kW units with EG4 18kPV Solar Inverters (replacing the Solar Panel power inputs with the electrical power output of the NGU 3kW units).
Island Electrical Power Requirements:
Island Power Needs
Maui 273.1 MW
Hawaii 280.5 MW
Oahu 1,614.5 MW
Initial Test Demonstration Unit
Name: Baseload Supplement NGU System
Overview:
The Baseload Supplement NGU System is for technology demonstration purposes. It will augment or supplement existing Hawaiian BaseLoad electrical power generation.
The technology demonstrate will consist of nine EG4 18kPV (retail cost about $5,200USD each).
Each EG4 18kPV unit will receive power from three 3kW NGU units (nominal 200VDC @ 15 Amps). Each 3kW NGU will provide power to each of the three PV inputs on the EG4 18kPV unit.
The EG4 18kPV units will be organized into three identical groups but they will be linked serially for communication purposes.
In each group there will be three EG4 18kPV inverters with 208VAC phase configurations as shown:
Group #1
Inverter 1A – L1 and L2 phases
Inverter 1B – L3 and L1 phases
Inverter 1C – L2 and L3 phases
The other two inverter groups shall be designed a Group #2 and Group #3 and have identical phase assignments.
Power Analysis
Three 3kW NGU units, combined, will produce 9kW of electrical power. On the EG4 18kPV, the PV to Grid efficiency is specified ad 97.5% efficient. Therefore, the output electrical grid power from the nine EG4 18kPV inverters will be a total of 78.975 kW of three phase 208 VAC grid power.
Each EG4 18kPV will be outputting 8.775 kW of grid power. Each EG4 18kPV has a specified maximum output for 208 VAC is 10.4 kW. Their warranty period is 10 years.
Each eCat NGU 3kW unit has a retail cost of $7,500 and has a warranty period of 3 years, although its useful lifetime is estimated at 100,000 operating hours.
Grid Control
The Utility Company can control each group of units by disconnecting Grid power going to a Group. Alternatively, there is a Rapid Shutdown Switch on each EG4 18kPV unit.
Cost Analysis
The equipment component costs are:
9 EG4 18kPV @ $5,200USD each = $46,800USD
And
27 3kW NGU units @ $7,500USD each = $202,500USD
For a total component cost of $249,300 USD.
Assuming a 10-year lifetime, the cost per kW-hr is $0.036.
Environmental: No fuel is consumed during operation. No emissions.
Scaling: The architecture of the demonstration could be duplicated in parallel to supplement or replace the majority of BaseLoad generation systems.
EG4 Battery system option: While not required, an EG4 battery system could be added to each EG4 18kPV inverter. This might be used to provide more power going to the Grid during high demand times (from 8.775kW to 10.4 kW). Cost would depend on the amount of energy storage required.
1. Can the 3kW unit be configured (at least conceptually) to output 200 VDC (at 15 Amps)?
2. If so, can two units be serially connected to (combined) produce 400 VDC (at 15 Amps)?
Ruediger:
1- no
2- the average market price of similar inverters
3- the price/Watt remains the same as for the 100 W module you can find in http://www.ecatorders.com
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
you offer a 3KW box with the ecat. In which sizes it will be available assembled in a box incl a converter?
Also 1KW and 2KW? More sizes?
How much will be the price for the box additionally?
Will there be soon a price list?
Best regards
Rüdiger
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestion; by the way, I never ignore suggestions, on the contrary, I always consider them.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
I am sure that you will ignore this suggestion, but here it goes.
You need to have a powerful (appealing) public demonstration for the 3 kW NGU product. Lighting 230 100W LED bulbs (13 W power consumption each) is too boring, let along too bright! Same for boiling water (reference circa 2011). Boring!
How about two 0.5 to 0.75 hp water pumps making fountains of water – two in case one pump fails, the other continues, to show it was not the NGU. Run it “forever” with no outside wires seen going to the pump(s), other than from the NGU. Add some slowly changing LED color lights illuminating the fountain to show time is advancing. Artistic, beautiful, not boring,
How about a cargo-carrying drone copter carrying one or more 3 kW NGU units. These copters can carry loads from a few pounds to 90 kg. Use the onboard drone batteries to takeoff but keep the batteries charged using power from the NGU(s). Have it fly for a day or two – much longer than the onboard batteries could support. Have it fly a fixed pattern with satellite positioning reported every couple of minutes. Let the public follow the drone’s position, total distance covered, total time-duration, total energy used, telemetry, first person camera view… Aircraft flashing lights on the copter for daytime and nighttime operation. Interesting, not boring!
Maybe also power the ground station using the 3 kW NGU. Real-time connect the video to the internet.
Thoughts?
Weleda:
Yes,
Warm Regards
A.R.
Frank Acland:
Yes.
Thank you for the link,
Warm Regards
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
The new ad posted with the 3 kW generator on Twitter/X and ECW (https://twitter.com/LeonardoCorpor3/status/1772982579764855277) states “no input needed”. So I assume it can operate independent of a solar system, correct?
Best wishes,
Frank Acland
Dr Rossi
the 30 modules that compose the 3 kW Ecat shown in the photo in the new ad on EW are the same of the experiment published in paragraph 6 of
http://www.researchgate.com/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
?
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Depends on the situations,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
For the 3kW NGU unit – voltage and current limitations will affect possible output combinations.
Most applications I can reasonably think of will handle up to a current of 25 or 30 Amperes, based on conductor size. Likewise, a DC voltage of 500 Volts or 1,000 Volts also seems to be a limitation, based on insulation requirements and safety.
For example, a solar inverter will have a PV voltage input range of 100 VDC to 500 VDC and a maximum current input of 15 Amps to 25 Amps.
It is certain that Power = Voltage times Amperage.
If these bound the output regime of the 3 kW NGU unit, can we safely assume that the output of the 3 kW NGU unit will likely be within a range of 100 VDC (and 30 Amps) and 1,000 VDC (and 3 Amps)?
Thoughts?
Steven Nicholes Karels:
The customized options requested by the Clients will be discussed and resolved depending on their specific situations,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
In a previous post I asked if 200VDC output was available from the 3kW NGU unit, and whether two such units could be connected serially.
Your response was “1,2- it is possible, but must be done by certified electric installation contractors.”
Please clarify:
1. Does this mean the certified contractor will configure the 3kW NGU to output 200VDC; OR
2. Does it mean that the delivered 3kW NGU will provide 200VDC output and any integration of the NGU unit must be accomplished by a certified contractor?
Claude:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Helen Olstad:
Not yet,
Warm regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1,2- it is possible, but must be done by certified electric installation contractors.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Conceptual Proposal for eCat NGU power for Hawaii.
Problem: Hawaii consists of several island. The islands do not share electrical power. Therefore, each island has independent power. The State of Hawaii has determined to minimize the use of fossil fuels for electrical power generation. (All fossil fuels are imported by ship as well as for environmental considerations.) Solar and Wind are alternatives but they cannot be BaseLoad electricity suppliers due to their intermittent power generation (nighttime and no wind conditions). Average cost for electricity in the State of Hawaii is about $0.40 per kW-hr.
Proposed Solution: Integrate eCat NGO 3kW units with EG4 18kPV Solar Inverters (replacing the Solar Panel power inputs with the electrical power output of the NGU 3kW units).
Island Electrical Power Requirements:
Island Power Needs
Maui 273.1 MW
Hawaii 280.5 MW
Oahu 1,614.5 MW
Initial Test Demonstration Unit
Name: Baseload Supplement NGU System
Overview:
The Baseload Supplement NGU System is for technology demonstration purposes. It will augment or supplement existing Hawaiian BaseLoad electrical power generation.
The technology demonstrate will consist of nine EG4 18kPV (retail cost about $5,200USD each).
Each EG4 18kPV unit will receive power from three 3kW NGU units (nominal 200VDC @ 15 Amps). Each 3kW NGU will provide power to each of the three PV inputs on the EG4 18kPV unit.
The EG4 18kPV units will be organized into three identical groups but they will be linked serially for communication purposes.
In each group there will be three EG4 18kPV inverters with 208VAC phase configurations as shown:
Group #1
Inverter 1A – L1 and L2 phases
Inverter 1B – L3 and L1 phases
Inverter 1C – L2 and L3 phases
The other two inverter groups shall be designed a Group #2 and Group #3 and have identical phase assignments.
Power Analysis
Three 3kW NGU units, combined, will produce 9kW of electrical power. On the EG4 18kPV, the PV to Grid efficiency is specified ad 97.5% efficient. Therefore, the output electrical grid power from the nine EG4 18kPV inverters will be a total of 78.975 kW of three phase 208 VAC grid power.
Each EG4 18kPV will be outputting 8.775 kW of grid power. Each EG4 18kPV has a specified maximum output for 208 VAC is 10.4 kW. Their warranty period is 10 years.
Each eCat NGU 3kW unit has a retail cost of $7,500 and has a warranty period of 3 years, although its useful lifetime is estimated at 100,000 operating hours.
Grid Control
The Utility Company can control each group of units by disconnecting Grid power going to a Group. Alternatively, there is a Rapid Shutdown Switch on each EG4 18kPV unit.
Cost Analysis
The equipment component costs are:
9 EG4 18kPV @ $5,200USD each = $46,800USD
And
27 3kW NGU units @ $7,500USD each = $202,500USD
For a total component cost of $249,300 USD.
Assuming a 10-year lifetime, the cost per kW-hr is $0.036.
Environmental: No fuel is consumed during operation. No emissions.
Scaling: The architecture of the demonstration could be duplicated in parallel to supplement or replace the majority of BaseLoad generation systems.
EG4 Battery system option: While not required, an EG4 battery system could be added to each EG4 18kPV inverter. This might be used to provide more power going to the Grid during high demand times (from 8.775kW to 10.4 kW). Cost would depend on the amount of energy storage required.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
On the 3kW NGU units:
1. Can the 3kW unit be configured (at least conceptually) to output 200 VDC (at 15 Amps)?
2. If so, can two units be serially connected to (combined) produce 400 VDC (at 15 Amps)?
Dear Dr. Rossi,
1 million reached?
Have A Nice Sunday
Helen
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
I noticed that the paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
is compatible with the presentation of the Ecat SKL made in Miami during the year 2019. My question is: is it compatible also with the 3 kW Ecat NGU recently photographed in http://www.ecat.com ?
Dear Readers:
Please visit
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published in other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi
Ruediger:
1- no
2- the average market price of similar inverters
3- the price/Watt remains the same as for the 100 W module you can find in http://www.ecatorders.com
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
you offer a 3KW box with the ecat. In which sizes it will be available assembled in a box incl a converter?
Also 1KW and 2KW? More sizes?
How much will be the price for the box additionally?
Will there be soon a price list?
Best regards
Rüdiger
Giuseppe:
So far is the same, but it will be higher,
Warm Regards,
A.R.