Dear Andrea,
i have a question if it is possible, i don’t know if you already answered or if you can.
The input power consumed by the quark is linear or there is a peak at startup.
Best Regards, Giuseppe
KI:
My attorneys forbid me to talk about issues related to the trial in Court.
I can say, though, that I feel optimistic after all the things that have been produced and that are incoming.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Andrea Rossi
From tha papers published so far it appears that you are bringing on evidence of all you said in your complaints, while IH is just trying to bring on arguments either not related to the agreement at the base of the litigation, or based on mere assumptions and futile accusations. Isn’t it true?
Cheers,
K.I.
So let’s examine the probable characteristics of your experiment:
Given: a 20W thermal output QuarkX unit operating for one hour within an enclosed (insulated) container using temperature change as the metric.
20W * 3,600 sec = 76 kJ of energy
Assume water as the working fluid, no phase change. Starting temperature around +20C.
Specific Heat of water is 4.186 J/ (gram degC).
So the 76 kJ of energy will affect 17,200 grams * degC of water
Example, a one liter of water is 1 kilogram = 1,000 grams, so the temperature change will be about +17.2 degC. or a +20C container of water will go to +37.2 degC.
A good digital temperature measurement system has a precision of at least 0.1 degC. So you can measure better than 1% of the expected total temperature change.
Likewise, the amount of water may be measured with a digital scale to better than 1 gram so the water mass will be known to better than 0.1%.
If the effective COP is 200, than the input power will average around 0.1W or 100 mW. So the input power must be measured to better than 1 mW to retain 1% accuracy. This is also doable.
The parallel notation suggests a dummy load using a resistive heater to simulate the QuarkX reactor. Two separate contains of fluid would be needed with parallel instrumentation, all calibrated. This is all very doable. Comments?
Roberto Baldi:
Nice to know…that patent of mine has been applied for in 1978, so its validity is expired in 1998: this allows anybody to exploit it. I am glad to know ENI is doing it.
Thank you for your kindness,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Caro dott. Rossi,
ho appena ammirato un documentario trasmesso da Focus Channel e prodotto da ENI sulle energie alternative. Tra i vari progetti, il colosso italiano dell’ energia si pregia di mostrare un metodo alquanto semplice per produrre carburante dai rifiuti organici:
basta sottoporli a temperature intorno ai 300 gradi ad una pressione di x atmosfere ed eliminare eventuale azoto presente. Lo chiamano Waste to fuel e lo stanno perfezionando in un loro centro ricerche a Novara. Le ricorda qualcosa di familiare? Le stesse lobby petrolifere che hanno affossato le sue geniali intuizioni ora le fanno proprie?
Il tempo è gentiluomo….
ENGLISH
I just appreciated a transmission made by ENI on Focus Channel, regarding the alternative energies. Among other projects, they introduced a system to produce fuel from organic wastes: they call this system “Waste to fuel” and it is based upon heating wastes around 300 Celsius at certain pressures. Thay are making the R&D on this in the town of Novara and it is very similar to the process you patented in 1978: as usual, time is gentleman…
That sounds like a very simple and solid setup for measuring the power produced by the Quark X. Here are a couple thoughts that have came to mind.
1) The temperature of the Quark X and the dummy should be measured by multiple measurement devices. For example, a thermocouple made for ultra high temperatures (probably B-type) and an IR device.
2) To keep the calculation as constant as possible, the water supply should held in a large insulated tank so that it will remain at the same exact temperature regardless of temperature changes in the room. A thermocouple should be placed in the tank and another in the line to the Quark X. A stirer should also be placed in the tank to make sure there are no thermal gradients in the tank so the feed water to the Quark remains as constant in temperature as possible. With the temperature and quantity of water to both the Quark and the dummy exactly the same, the output is only a function of output water temperature.
3) It should be possible to have someone write a computer program that would take the live data and calculate the COP and show it on the screen.
I will look forward to the day when such a setup can be demonstrated.
Hans:
The QuarkX is a very small thing with a rating of circa 20 W.
It is inside a heat exchanger where a fluid exchanges heat with the QuarkX. The fluid remains in the liquid phase, no steam to make it easier. The amount of fluid heated is measured with precision.
The difference of temperature obtained in one hour is measured with a precise thermometer. The energy consumed by the QuarkX is measured with precision. A dummy is measured in parallel.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
I watched a report on Focus Channel where has been shown a plant of ENI that turns wastes into fuel with your Petroldragon patent, now expired: wastes are coked (not cooked) at 300-400 Celsius Degrees at high pressure.
After 20 years the truth about your invention is emerging.
I know you now operate in a totally different field, but I think this can be a satisfaction for you all the same.
Congratulations,
Thomas
Karl:
I strongly suggest not to lose time reading documents produced in this preliminar period, because it is like to understand a big painting observing one square centimeter of it here and there across the canvas, abstract from the global context that gives the meaning to every particular. What is really going on and the related situation will be understandable only at the end of the trial. Persons talking of it now are just displacing air with their tongues.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi:
The experiment on course with the Quarkx is made with calorimetric measures and in parallel with a dummy?
Thank you if you can answer,
Maria
Now that the presentation has been postponed to the late summer or early fall, could the trial outcome have any effect on its demise, format and/or content verses having it before the trial? If possible could you explain?
Thank you for your attention to all of our questions. You have been very generous in sharing this journey.
Warm regards.
Brokeeper
In Yesterdays news: “It’s the first-ever sample of metallic hydrogen on Earth, so when you’re looking at it, you’re looking at something that’s never existed before.”
I was always thinking, that You turned hydrogen into metal long time ago. So my question is: Are they right ?
Also: Is it better to run say 300 reactors, each with slightly different desing than 3 reactors and after next 10 months realize, that 298 designs failed and 2 designs succeed, than runs 3 reactors and after 10 months start again with 3 reactors (which again fails) ?
Dear Andrea,
Eventually a more martial issue of a blog made to fight for values and justice:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-31-2017-lenr-meeting-core-of-erv.html
Very warm regards
peter
Dear Andrea,
i have a question if it is possible, i don’t know if you already answered or if you can.
The input power consumed by the quark is linear or there is a peak at startup.
Best Regards, Giuseppe
Dear Andrea
Somebody in the blogs is saying you are going to be destroyed by Cherokee-Industrial Heat. Are you worried?
JPR:
The work is proceeding well, so far.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Trevor Giorian:
I agree,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
KI:
My attorneys forbid me to talk about issues related to the trial in Court.
I can say, though, that I feel optimistic after all the things that have been produced and that are incoming.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Domenico Canino:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
dear Andrea,
a small link for you, the “bigs” are moving;
http://www.repubblica.it/scienze/2017/01/27/news/harvard_creato_l_idrogeno_metallico_rivoluzione_per_energia_e_spazio-157022750/?ref=HRLV-23
regards
Dr Andrea Rossi
From tha papers published so far it appears that you are bringing on evidence of all you said in your complaints, while IH is just trying to bring on arguments either not related to the agreement at the base of the litigation, or based on mere assumptions and futile accusations. Isn’t it true?
Cheers,
K.I.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi
I like the way you are making the measurements with the QuatkX: they are idiot proof and very simple to understand.
Trevor
Update?
Steven N. Karels:
Thank you for your suggestions.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
So let’s examine the probable characteristics of your experiment:
Given: a 20W thermal output QuarkX unit operating for one hour within an enclosed (insulated) container using temperature change as the metric.
20W * 3,600 sec = 76 kJ of energy
Assume water as the working fluid, no phase change. Starting temperature around +20C.
Specific Heat of water is 4.186 J/ (gram degC).
So the 76 kJ of energy will affect 17,200 grams * degC of water
Example, a one liter of water is 1 kilogram = 1,000 grams, so the temperature change will be about +17.2 degC. or a +20C container of water will go to +37.2 degC.
A good digital temperature measurement system has a precision of at least 0.1 degC. So you can measure better than 1% of the expected total temperature change.
Likewise, the amount of water may be measured with a digital scale to better than 1 gram so the water mass will be known to better than 0.1%.
If the effective COP is 200, than the input power will average around 0.1W or 100 mW. So the input power must be measured to better than 1 mW to retain 1% accuracy. This is also doable.
The parallel notation suggests a dummy load using a resistive heater to simulate the QuarkX reactor. Two separate contains of fluid would be needed with parallel instrumentation, all calibrated. This is all very doable. Comments?
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
The very newest issue of my blog is here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-30-2017-lenr-info-time-has-crystals.html
Warm greetings,
Peter
Hank Mills:
I think we have prepared a very simple and robust system already, but thank you for your insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Roberto Baldi:
Nice to know…that patent of mine has been applied for in 1978, so its validity is expired in 1998: this allows anybody to exploit it. I am glad to know ENI is doing it.
Thank you for your kindness,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
JPR:
We are working well also today.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Update?
Caro dott. Rossi,
ho appena ammirato un documentario trasmesso da Focus Channel e prodotto da ENI sulle energie alternative. Tra i vari progetti, il colosso italiano dell’ energia si pregia di mostrare un metodo alquanto semplice per produrre carburante dai rifiuti organici:
basta sottoporli a temperature intorno ai 300 gradi ad una pressione di x atmosfere ed eliminare eventuale azoto presente. Lo chiamano Waste to fuel e lo stanno perfezionando in un loro centro ricerche a Novara. Le ricorda qualcosa di familiare? Le stesse lobby petrolifere che hanno affossato le sue geniali intuizioni ora le fanno proprie?
Il tempo è gentiluomo….
ENGLISH
I just appreciated a transmission made by ENI on Focus Channel, regarding the alternative energies. Among other projects, they introduced a system to produce fuel from organic wastes: they call this system “Waste to fuel” and it is based upon heating wastes around 300 Celsius at certain pressures. Thay are making the R&D on this in the town of Novara and it is very similar to the process you patented in 1978: as usual, time is gentleman…
Dear Andrea,
That sounds like a very simple and solid setup for measuring the power produced by the Quark X. Here are a couple thoughts that have came to mind.
1) The temperature of the Quark X and the dummy should be measured by multiple measurement devices. For example, a thermocouple made for ultra high temperatures (probably B-type) and an IR device.
2) To keep the calculation as constant as possible, the water supply should held in a large insulated tank so that it will remain at the same exact temperature regardless of temperature changes in the room. A thermocouple should be placed in the tank and another in the line to the Quark X. A stirer should also be placed in the tank to make sure there are no thermal gradients in the tank so the feed water to the Quark remains as constant in temperature as possible. With the temperature and quantity of water to both the Quark and the dummy exactly the same, the output is only a function of output water temperature.
3) It should be possible to have someone write a computer program that would take the live data and calculate the COP and show it on the screen.
I will look forward to the day when such a setup can be demonstrated.
Hank
Hans:
The QuarkX is a very small thing with a rating of circa 20 W.
It is inside a heat exchanger where a fluid exchanges heat with the QuarkX. The fluid remains in the liquid phase, no steam to make it easier. The amount of fluid heated is measured with precision.
The difference of temperature obtained in one hour is measured with a precise thermometer. The energy consumed by the QuarkX is measured with precision. A dummy is measured in parallel.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Rossi:
Can you explain better the calorimetric measures you are making with the QuarkX, after your quite essential answer to maria?
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Thomas:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
I watched a report on Focus Channel where has been shown a plant of ENI that turns wastes into fuel with your Petroldragon patent, now expired: wastes are coked (not cooked) at 300-400 Celsius Degrees at high pressure.
After 20 years the truth about your invention is emerging.
I know you now operate in a totally different field, but I think this can be a satisfaction for you all the same.
Congratulations,
Thomas
Dear Andrea,
A new Sundy edition of EGO OUT;
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-29-2017-in-lenr-you-must-out-f-f.html
cheers,
peter
Quinn:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Maria Anderson:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Karl:
I strongly suggest not to lose time reading documents produced in this preliminar period, because it is like to understand a big painting observing one square centimeter of it here and there across the canvas, abstract from the global context that gives the meaning to every particular. What is really going on and the related situation will be understandable only at the end of the trial. Persons talking of it now are just displacing air with their tongues.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi – Interesting Read > how-to-deliver-criticism-so-employees-pay-attention.
https://hbr.org/2017/01/how-to-deliver-criticism-so-employees-pay-attention
Dr Andrea Rossi
All the papers deposited in Court recently are very difficult to be understood: can you explain what is going on?
Update!
Dear Andrea Rossi:
The experiment on course with the Quarkx is made with calorimetric measures and in parallel with a dummy?
Thank you if you can answer,
Maria
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Here comes the Sturday late evening edition of my Blog:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-28-2017-lenr-theories-in-4-letter.html
Cheers, enjoy the weekend please!
Peter
Bernard Koppenhofer:
None yet.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Brokeeper:
It will be much better, because I will have total focus on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Good also today,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Update?
Dear Andrea,
Now that the presentation has been postponed to the late summer or early fall, could the trial outcome have any effect on its demise, format and/or content verses having it before the trial? If possible could you explain?
Thank you for your attention to all of our questions. You have been very generous in sharing this journey.
Warm regards.
Brokeeper
Dr Rossi: What feed back are you getting from the company you sold three reactors to after the year long test? Thanks for answering our questions.
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
New day, new LENR blog issue at EGO OUT:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-27-2017-lenrs-alliance-with.html
Warm, friendly optimist greetings!
Peter
JPR:
Good standing so far.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Conoover:
1- yes
2- no, we abstract from the incident
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Samec:
Have you seen the temperatures?
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Quinn:
Probably.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
We suspect you will have validations in place even before the public demonstration?
Dear Dr. Rossi,
In Yesterdays news: “It’s the first-ever sample of metallic hydrogen on Earth, so when you’re looking at it, you’re looking at something that’s never existed before.”
I was always thinking, that You turned hydrogen into metal long time ago. So my question is: Are they right ?
Also: Is it better to run say 300 reactors, each with slightly different desing than 3 reactors and after next 10 months realize, that 298 designs failed and 2 designs succeed, than runs 3 reactors and after 10 months start again with 3 reactors (which again fails) ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hydrogen-metal-revolution-technology-space-rockets-superconductor-harvard-university-a7548221.html