Rodney Nicholson:
1- It is too soon to anticipate prices, but the COP of the Ecat SKL, if it will work, will make it absolutely competitive
2- Domestic units will not be controlled remotely
3- All the other issues are potentially good ideas, but premature to talk about.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Regarding eernie1’s 12th May comment about the cost of a domestic Ecat:
I believe I recall you estimating several years ago that a domestic Ecat unit might cost about $500 to buy, and would need a new cartridge annually costing not more than $50 for plenty of heat.
Of course a great deal has changed since then. Including that it now seems likely the unit will be able to provide electric power as well as heat, without needing an expensive unit for conversion of steam to electric power.
1. Are you able to make a very approximate guess (with the qualification that it is subject to change at any time without notice!) of what the cost of a domestic EcatSKL might be when it eventually becomes available, for both the basic unit and the annual cost of a replacement charge? I am thinking that eernie1 will not have difficulty deciding to buy a new unit, even if it is more than $500, if the cost covers both heat and electric power.
2. In addition, do you presently anticipate that a domestic unit would need to be controlled remotely over the internet? Presumably the user would be able to decide both the level of power output and the proportion of power that would be heat, with things set up so that excess power would be fed into the grid? This would, of course, further reduce eernie1’s cost. Perhaps with a large enough unit it would represent a net-zero cost to the purchaser? And the end result several years down the road might be that the power generating stations presently pumping power into the grid will become superflous when enough of your units have been disseminated across the country and integrated with all the other sources of energy?
Frank Acland:
Presently what we have here are prototypes, so there is always something to modify or test, until it is ready for the presentation. The R&D is still on course. I am still using the solder.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Thank you for your reply to my recent question. You say that the E-Cat is made in the USA. When it is shipped to you, is it fully functional, or are there steps you need to take after you have received it, to make it operational?
You have said you are in Europe at the moment. Are you able to assemble an E-Cat SKL from scratch, with materials available where you are, or must some items be shipped to you from elsewhere?
Dear Andrea,
I have followed your program as well as many others in the science of LENR for the last 30 years The investigation of electron form and behavior has been a part of my scientific career in the fields of lasers, plasmas, and electronic devices among others. I enjoyed many hours of interesting investigation in my lifetime.
However, your efforts in providing and installing a new form of cheap usable energy to humanity will be somewhat stymied by one factor now prevalent in the systems available today to humans around the globe. That factor is the availability of a relatively cheap and dependable supply of energy to a large portion of the worlds population.
As an example, my experience in my lifetime, from the time of the great depression to the present time, with the use of energy has been one of dependability and affordability. Energy sources such as natural gas, electricity, and gasoline have been available from the grid for almost 100% of the time at a cost well within my means. This fact I think can also be related to a large part of the worlds population.
The question then becomes, should one change his energy situation to one less stable in the beginning for the saving of a relatively small amount? If I were to change, I would probably insist on acquiring some sort of insurance the cost of which would perhaps eliminate the savings from your device.
Your market would seem to be more appealing to the third world countries where you could implement a ground based system.
I have enjoyed following your program and have enjoyed speculating about what those crazy little electrons are doing to produce excess energy by congregating into a denser environment. There is strength in numbers.
Successful regards
You have opened up a gate
that may change our future fate
tapping energies from sources high
the development of man can fly
come prosperity and peace and love
all supported from above
hope will once again prevail
you provided us the grail
no more wars for gas and oil
saves the air and precious soil
oceans will be cleaned anew
rivers turned from brown to blue
freshest water for the poor
less diseases and much more
tomorrow bright with clearer skies
lifts depressing views and sighs
a new era has been ushered in
for life external and within
da Vinci now will meet his peer
Leonardo catalysers everywhere
Arjen:
We will make both, depending in the locations
Answers:
1- see above
2a- b- c-: the three are possible and will depend on the specific situations
3- not yet
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I read that a client will become the owner of the ECAT SKL, so you have decided not to lease the product to the client and decided not to sell the electricity it produces?
First question 1, Please confirm you have decided not to sell electricity but to sell the product ECAT SKL regardless of how much in a lifetime of a SKL the amount of electricity it will produce?
Second question 2a) As the industrial clients become the owner they can sell (the integrated ECAT SKL) in their final certified product to the end customer? or 2B) are you only selling to clients who use the ECAT SKL for themselves
Or 2C) Is the business plan to also sell your product (when certified) directly from your company to the personal end customer (your readers)
Third question Can you already give a very rough estimate what the cost will be for your basic product to the industrial clients?
Dr Rossi,
Your work, resiliency, blind eye with the disparaging, and achievements are an inspiration.
I read all ypur papers and http://www.ingandrearossi.com
with your story.
Thank you for the models you are offering to all of us,
My opinion about the data:
dimensions cm 20 x 20 x 20
power 1 kW
All the best,
Claire
Dear Dr. Rossi A few more questions:
1 Can you control your SKL devices over the Internet?
2 If so, you can experiment with the devices (by agreement with the buyer) and collect a lot of valuable information about different SKL options via the Internet
VIKTOR SHIPACHEV:
1 yes
2 when a Client will buy a product of us, he will become the owner of it and will make with it what he wants, respecting the instructions
Warm Regards,
A.R.
PlasmaFan:
Thank you for your attention to the work of our Team.
I cannot add further information to what I already wrote on my publications, at least so far.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
“There is not a “more important paragraph”: I think there is a syncretism between the effects described in the whole paper. The effect is not commanded by an emperor: it’s a republic.”
Can you at least say that the various effects in the paper take place during the negative resistance regime of a plasma discharge in which a complex space charge configuration (AKA “Ball of Fire”) self organizes out of the chaos of the plasma? This much is obvious. Yet due to the fact you have yet to state this, a strange state of confusion lingers in the minds of many. By simply putting the operation of the system into a general non-specific (not giving away your specific formula or details) CONTEXT, you would tremendously help your long term supporters understand the bare bones of your magnificent invention.
Dear Dr. Rossi. I am amazed at your success. but would like acceleration R @ D
But first I want to clarify some questions:
1 According to your agreement, should you send the unit to your customer?
2 If yes. then can you send an apparatus not yet finalized and use it for R @ D, which can speed up R @ D?
Roland:
There is not a “more important paragraph”: I think there is a syncretism between the effects described in the whole paper. The effect is not commanded by an emperor: it’s a republic. All the integration of all the parts allows to understand what I am assuming, albeit it takes some patience.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea, Do you think it may be possible that the spent portion of the fuel could somehow interfere with the continuous performance of the reaction?
You can synthetically – with grades from 1 to 10:
1) Express your satisfaction with the services provided so far;
2) Express your perception of users satisfaction?
Can you provide a percentage of the ratio between regular operating time and the time required for stops due to assistance interventions carried out by you personally and by your team?
Andrea Rossi
January 13, 2020 at 3:19 AM
Gian:
1 7
2 8
3 70%
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Mason:
Basically you are right: since the conversion of electric energy into heat has a COP that equals almost 100%, the SKL would make obsolete the SK.
But the SK is a working product, while the SKL is still a prototype on course of R&D.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
ever since you shared the success story of attaining permanent SSM, the SKL as a source of electricity has dominated most discussions of the SKL, including how the ongoing “deep learning” optimizes the production of electricity towards the theoretical limits of the SLRPI phenomena. Yet, at times you highlight that the SKL may also be organized as the source of heat energy.
It is my lay understanding that the conversion of electricity to heat is about 99-100% efficient when properly engineered. This leads me to my question.
If, the conversion rate is essentially 100% efficient, then why optimize the SKL for the production of heat at all? Is there truth in the logic saying that the SKL, when set as a source of heat energy, produces more energy per unit of time than when it is optimized as a source of electricity? Am I missing something in this story?
I recall your excitement as the QuarkX was developed even while you were engaged in the Doral test. What made the QuarkX qualitatively different, it seemed to me, was the focus on plasma phenomena. This has continued into the Ecat SK and now Ecat SKL. Yet your previous Ecats like the HotCat worked, without seeming attention to plasma phenomena. So I have four questions which display my ignorance.
1) In your opinion, was plasma in the vicinity of the (pre QuarkX) old Ecat fuel wafer critical for its operation?
2) Is it fair to say with the Ecat SK/SKL that the plasma affects reactions in the solid fuel wafer, and the solid fuel wafer affects reactions in the plasma, in a feedback mechanism?
3) Does the energy producing reaction(s) in the Ecat SKL occur in the fuel wafer or the plasma or both (perhaps increasingly so in the plasma of the SK and SKL)?
4) Does the plasma somehow serve to offload thermal stresses from the fuel wafer?
You may not be free to answer some of these, but in any case, thank you in advance!
Mark
@Frank Acland:
Andrea has put a distinction between a product and a prototype: in section R&D he includes every activity before a specific product is for sale, and clearly the Ecat SKL is not yet for sale, therefore in the concept of Andrea it is a prototype. This does not forbid agreements related to prototypes still in the R&D phase.
By the way: congrats for your excellent blog http://www.e-catworld.com , undisputably the best among the blogs that deal with the matter of LENR.
CC
I’ve decided to organize a recorded, round table Skype call with 4 or 5 of the 84,000 scientists who have read your paper on ResearchGate.org. I’m curious to know what all the excitement is about from the scientists’ perspective.
The subjects I’d like the scientists to discuss during the meeting are:
1. Their overall opinion of the paper
2. The accuracy of the concepts and math in the paper
3. An explanation of the paper in terms that can be understood by non-physicists
To your readers: I am looking for highly qualified scientists who have an account on ResearchGate.org that have read and understand Dr. Rossi’s paper: E-Cat SK and long-range particle interactions. More details and contact information are in this new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-RZGsAyvxg.
I have put a link to this new video at the beginning of my video: “Summary of Andrea Rossi’s E cat The Mother Of All Black Swan Events” at https://theRossiEffect.org. I've determined that approximately 25% of the viewers of the Black Swan video are scientists with accounts on ResearchGate.
Hello DR Rossi
What are the main obstacles
confronting you and your team
to get the E-Cat-SKL to work
properly?
Regards
Sam
Rodney Nicholson:
1- It is too soon to anticipate prices, but the COP of the Ecat SKL, if it will work, will make it absolutely competitive
2- Domestic units will not be controlled remotely
3- All the other issues are potentially good ideas, but premature to talk about.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Saju Abraham:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea:
Regarding eernie1’s 12th May comment about the cost of a domestic Ecat:
I believe I recall you estimating several years ago that a domestic Ecat unit might cost about $500 to buy, and would need a new cartridge annually costing not more than $50 for plenty of heat.
Of course a great deal has changed since then. Including that it now seems likely the unit will be able to provide electric power as well as heat, without needing an expensive unit for conversion of steam to electric power.
1. Are you able to make a very approximate guess (with the qualification that it is subject to change at any time without notice!) of what the cost of a domestic EcatSKL might be when it eventually becomes available, for both the basic unit and the annual cost of a replacement charge? I am thinking that eernie1 will not have difficulty deciding to buy a new unit, even if it is more than $500, if the cost covers both heat and electric power.
2. In addition, do you presently anticipate that a domestic unit would need to be controlled remotely over the internet? Presumably the user would be able to decide both the level of power output and the proportion of power that would be heat, with things set up so that excess power would be fed into the grid? This would, of course, further reduce eernie1’s cost. Perhaps with a large enough unit it would represent a net-zero cost to the purchaser? And the end result several years down the road might be that the power generating stations presently pumping power into the grid will become superflous when enough of your units have been disseminated across the country and integrated with all the other sources of energy?
Thank you if you feel able to answer.
Powerful regards,
Rodney.
Dear Dr Rossi,
Have you invented some new material, not existing before, for the Ecat SKL ?
Saju Abraham
Frank Acland:
Presently what we have here are prototypes, so there is always something to modify or test, until it is ready for the presentation. The R&D is still on course. I am still using the solder.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Thank you for your reply to my recent question. You say that the E-Cat is made in the USA. When it is shipped to you, is it fully functional, or are there steps you need to take after you have received it, to make it operational?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
Frank Acland:
I need materials shipped from the USA. The Ecat is made in the USA.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
You have said you are in Europe at the moment. Are you able to assemble an E-Cat SKL from scratch, with materials available where you are, or must some items be shipped to you from elsewhere?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
CC:
Yakir Aharonov, David Bohm David Hestenes, and Norman Cook.
But also all the others are important.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Among the references you put in
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
which are the two authors that influenced more your paper ?
Eernie1:
Thank you for your insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I have followed your program as well as many others in the science of LENR for the last 30 years The investigation of electron form and behavior has been a part of my scientific career in the fields of lasers, plasmas, and electronic devices among others. I enjoyed many hours of interesting investigation in my lifetime.
However, your efforts in providing and installing a new form of cheap usable energy to humanity will be somewhat stymied by one factor now prevalent in the systems available today to humans around the globe. That factor is the availability of a relatively cheap and dependable supply of energy to a large portion of the worlds population.
As an example, my experience in my lifetime, from the time of the great depression to the present time, with the use of energy has been one of dependability and affordability. Energy sources such as natural gas, electricity, and gasoline have been available from the grid for almost 100% of the time at a cost well within my means. This fact I think can also be related to a large part of the worlds population.
The question then becomes, should one change his energy situation to one less stable in the beginning for the saving of a relatively small amount? If I were to change, I would probably insist on acquiring some sort of insurance the cost of which would perhaps eliminate the savings from your device.
Your market would seem to be more appealing to the third world countries where you could implement a ground based system.
I have enjoyed following your program and have enjoyed speculating about what those crazy little electrons are doing to produce excess energy by congregating into a denser environment. There is strength in numbers.
Successful regards
Peter Wersall:
Very nice and moving,
Thanks from our Team !
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rod Walton:
Thank you for the update,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
On Power Engineering issue May 12th 2020:
Maintaining safe, reliable power generation with remote troubles control
Rod Walton
Andrea,
You have opened up a gate
that may change our future fate
tapping energies from sources high
the development of man can fly
come prosperity and peace and love
all supported from above
hope will once again prevail
you provided us the grail
no more wars for gas and oil
saves the air and precious soil
oceans will be cleaned anew
rivers turned from brown to blue
freshest water for the poor
less diseases and much more
tomorrow bright with clearer skies
lifts depressing views and sighs
a new era has been ushered in
for life external and within
da Vinci now will meet his peer
Leonardo catalysers everywhere
Thank you
Peter W
Arjen:
We will make both, depending in the locations
Answers:
1- see above
2a- b- c-: the three are possible and will depend on the specific situations
3- not yet
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Rossi
I read that a client will become the owner of the ECAT SKL, so you have decided not to lease the product to the client and decided not to sell the electricity it produces?
First question 1, Please confirm you have decided not to sell electricity but to sell the product ECAT SKL regardless of how much in a lifetime of a SKL the amount of electricity it will produce?
Second question 2a) As the industrial clients become the owner they can sell (the integrated ECAT SKL) in their final certified product to the end customer? or 2B) are you only selling to clients who use the ECAT SKL for themselves
Or 2C) Is the business plan to also sell your product (when certified) directly from your company to the personal end customer (your readers)
Third question Can you already give a very rough estimate what the cost will be for your basic product to the industrial clients?
All the best to you and your team.
Kind regards Arjen
VIKTOR SHIPACHEV:
1 yes
2 could be
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers:
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published today on other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Bob:
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Claire:
Thank you for your kind attention to the work of our Team.
Data received,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Your work, resiliency, blind eye with the disparaging, and achievements are an inspiration.
I read all ypur papers and
http://www.ingandrearossi.com
with your story.
Thank you for the models you are offering to all of us,
My opinion about the data:
dimensions cm 20 x 20 x 20
power 1 kW
All the best,
Claire
I agree with Anonymous that said you will never make the presentation of the ecat skl
Bob
Dear Dr. Rossi A few more questions:
1 Can you control your SKL devices over the Internet?
2 If so, you can experiment with the devices (by agreement with the buyer) and collect a lot of valuable information about different SKL options via the Internet
VIKTOR SHIPACHEV:
1 yes
2 when a Client will buy a product of us, he will become the owner of it and will make with it what he wants, respecting the instructions
Warm Regards,
A.R.
PlasmaFan:
Thank you for your attention to the work of our Team.
I cannot add further information to what I already wrote on my publications, at least so far.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
“There is not a “more important paragraph”: I think there is a syncretism between the effects described in the whole paper. The effect is not commanded by an emperor: it’s a republic.”
Can you at least say that the various effects in the paper take place during the negative resistance regime of a plasma discharge in which a complex space charge configuration (AKA “Ball of Fire”) self organizes out of the chaos of the plasma? This much is obvious. Yet due to the fact you have yet to state this, a strange state of confusion lingers in the minds of many. By simply putting the operation of the system into a general non-specific (not giving away your specific formula or details) CONTEXT, you would tremendously help your long term supporters understand the bare bones of your magnificent invention.
Dear Dr. Rossi. I am amazed at your success. but would like acceleration R @ D
But first I want to clarify some questions:
1 According to your agreement, should you send the unit to your customer?
2 If yes. then can you send an apparatus not yet finalized and use it for R @ D, which can speed up R @ D?
Roland:
There is not a “more important paragraph”: I think there is a syncretism between the effects described in the whole paper. The effect is not commanded by an emperor: it’s a republic. All the integration of all the parts allows to understand what I am assuming, albeit it takes some patience.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
Which is the paragraph more important in your paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
vs your theoretical system ?
Where is more inportant to focus the attention?
Thank you if you can answer,
Roland
Chuck Davis:
It is not possible.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea, Do you think it may be possible that the spent portion of the fuel could somehow interfere with the continuous performance of the reaction?
Regards,
Chuck Davis
Sam:
Substantially, I’d not change the answers,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Prof:
I don’t think there will be a substantial update. So far,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea, the more I read your paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions, the more I understand how profound it is.
Do you think you will update it after the presentation of the Ecat SKL ?
Prof
Hello DR Rossi
In January you gave grades
to the ECat SK.
You can synthetically – with grades from 1 to 10:
1) Express your satisfaction with the services provided so far;
2) Express your perception of users satisfaction?
Can you provide a percentage of the ratio between regular operating time and the time required for stops due to assistance interventions carried out by you personally and by your team?
Andrea Rossi
January 13, 2020 at 3:19 AM
Gian:
1 7
2 8
3 70%
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Have any of the grades changed?
Regards
Sam
Mason:
Basically you are right: since the conversion of electric energy into heat has a COP that equals almost 100%, the SKL would make obsolete the SK.
But the SK is a working product, while the SKL is still a prototype on course of R&D.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Anonymous:
We are working very well.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
can you tell us how is gone the Ecat SKL during these days?
Dear Andrea,
ever since you shared the success story of attaining permanent SSM, the SKL as a source of electricity has dominated most discussions of the SKL, including how the ongoing “deep learning” optimizes the production of electricity towards the theoretical limits of the SLRPI phenomena. Yet, at times you highlight that the SKL may also be organized as the source of heat energy.
It is my lay understanding that the conversion of electricity to heat is about 99-100% efficient when properly engineered. This leads me to my question.
If, the conversion rate is essentially 100% efficient, then why optimize the SKL for the production of heat at all? Is there truth in the logic saying that the SKL, when set as a source of heat energy, produces more energy per unit of time than when it is optimized as a source of electricity? Am I missing something in this story?
As always, my best to you and your team.
Mason
Mark U:
I am sorry, I cannot answer your questions.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I recall your excitement as the QuarkX was developed even while you were engaged in the Doral test. What made the QuarkX qualitatively different, it seemed to me, was the focus on plasma phenomena. This has continued into the Ecat SK and now Ecat SKL. Yet your previous Ecats like the HotCat worked, without seeming attention to plasma phenomena. So I have four questions which display my ignorance.
1) In your opinion, was plasma in the vicinity of the (pre QuarkX) old Ecat fuel wafer critical for its operation?
2) Is it fair to say with the Ecat SK/SKL that the plasma affects reactions in the solid fuel wafer, and the solid fuel wafer affects reactions in the plasma, in a feedback mechanism?
3) Does the energy producing reaction(s) in the Ecat SKL occur in the fuel wafer or the plasma or both (perhaps increasingly so in the plasma of the SK and SKL)?
4) Does the plasma somehow serve to offload thermal stresses from the fuel wafer?
You may not be free to answer some of these, but in any case, thank you in advance!
Mark
Prof:
Of course.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@Mike Phalen and Andrea Rossi:
Mike Phalen: splendid idea !
Andrea: will you answer if some questions will arrive here from the group of study of your paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions ?
Prof
@Frank Acland:
Andrea has put a distinction between a product and a prototype: in section R&D he includes every activity before a specific product is for sale, and clearly the Ecat SKL is not yet for sale, therefore in the concept of Andrea it is a prototype. This does not forbid agreements related to prototypes still in the R&D phase.
By the way: congrats for your excellent blog http://www.e-catworld.com , undisputably the best among the blogs that deal with the matter of LENR.
CC
Mike Phalen:
Very well.
I thank everybody that read my paper and I am honoured of this discussion you organized.
Get fun !
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hi Dr. Rossi,
I’ve decided to organize a recorded, round table Skype call with 4 or 5 of the 84,000 scientists who have read your paper on ResearchGate.org. I’m curious to know what all the excitement is about from the scientists’ perspective.
The subjects I’d like the scientists to discuss during the meeting are:
1. Their overall opinion of the paper
2. The accuracy of the concepts and math in the paper
3. An explanation of the paper in terms that can be understood by non-physicists
To your readers: I am looking for highly qualified scientists who have an account on ResearchGate.org that have read and understand Dr. Rossi’s paper: E-Cat SK and long-range particle interactions. More details and contact information are in this new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-RZGsAyvxg.
I have put a link to this new video at the beginning of my video: “Summary of Andrea Rossi’s E cat The Mother Of All Black Swan Events” at https://theRossiEffect.org. I've determined that approximately 25% of the viewers of the Black Swan video are scientists with accounts on ResearchGate.
Good luck with the current tests, Mike
Frank Acland:
I signed contracts and, yes, the Ecat SKL is still at a prototypal state, otherwise it would be already for sale.
Warm Regards,
A.R.