United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

 

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  • Steven N. Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    You posted “I am not sure I understood: do you mean $ 600/kW installed?” in regards to an eCat SKL electrical charger mounted within an Electric Vehicle (EV). I assume it would be something like a current 12V automobile battery replacement. Once a year, a mechanic would exchange the old eCat SKL with a replacement eCat SKL. As with the battery, the old unit would be sent back for recycling.

    So my question is whether such a changeout could reasonably be accomplished for less than $600 – the equivalent electric charging cost from the previous posting. I assumed a 0.5 kW electrical output from the eCat SKL. At 80% electricity conversion efficiency, the envisioned eCat SKL would need to get rid of about 125W of thermal power. Probably not a problem if the automobile frame acted as the heat sink.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels:
    Thank you for the data !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rod Walton:
    Thank you for the update,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels:
    I am not sure I understood: do you mean $ 600/kW installed ?
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels:
    I think this would be possible.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven N. Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I believe this is for a 54 kWh Model 3 Tesla battery – dimensions and weight.

    “Tesla has managed to pack the 4,416 cylinder cells (2170) in to four modules that weigh around 1054 lbs / 478 KGs combined. As we can see in the photo above Tesla Model 3 modules are in rectangular shape, the two modules on either side are 67.5 in (1715 mm) long and weight 191 lbs (86.6 kg) each and the two center modules are a bit longer and heavier i.e. 73 in (1854 mm) and 207 lbs (98.9 kg). All four modules are 11.5 in (292 mm) wide and 3.5 in (90 mm) thick.”

  • Steven N. Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I my spare time, I have been investigating residential solar panel power. In-grid systems work during sun-lit hours and have a micro-inverter between the solar panel or panels and the electrical power grid. The micro-inverter accepts the solar panel DC power and also reads the electric grid power, matches its phase, and outputs power back to the grid from the solar panels.

    I understand that the eCat SKL can output its electrical power as either DC or AC. Could an eCat SKL output, say 300W of DC power at about 30VDC continuously into a suitable micro-inverter for direct insertion of energy into the electrical grid (assumes local regulations would support this of course)?

  • Steven N. Karels

    Andrea Rossi,

    Currently Tesla batteries cost about $120 per kW. An objective is to reduce price to under $80 per kW, at which point the manufacturing cost of an electric vehicle (EV) becomes less than that of an internal combustion engine (ICE) car.

    1. Do you believe that, in mass production, the eCat SKL can cost less than $80 per kWhr?

    Assuming a daily commute of 20 miles (40 miles round-trip), 300 W per mile, 5 working days per week, 50 working weeks per year and a price of $0.20 per kWhr equals 3,000 kWhr in electricity, $600 per year in electric costs and 10,000 miles of travel. A 500W electrical output eCat SKL operating continuously would generate about 4300 kWhr of energy.

    2. Do you think a yearly eCat SKL replacement of such a unit would cost less than $600 including labor costs?

  • Rod Walton

    On Power Engineering issue of June 23 2020:
    EV charging stations for freight carriers every 50 miles and $850 M investment wouls create I-5 clean energy corridor
    Rod Walton

  • Andrea Rossi

    Iggy Dalrymple:
    Both systems can be integrated,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Raffaele Bongo:
    Can you give me the dimensions of the battery of your car ?
    Thank you !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Dear Dr Rossi,
    If marketing to electric power companies why not emphasize the benefit of decentralizing the grid and installing SKLs closer to the customers? This way local problems would not affect large areas. Good locations could be at transformers on power poles or at substations. Small municipal owned systems would be especially interested since many small systems must buy all of their power.
    Best regards,
    Iggy

  • Giuseppe

    Xavier Pitz, thank you for your very explaining link.
    Regards, Giuseppe Censorio

    PS: my link embedded in the signature was an error caused by sistem when i published the comment not depending by me!

  • Andrea Rossi

    Nicolai Hvass:
    Thank you for your insight.
    Answers:
    A- not necessarily
    B- that is the strategy for the SK series, for the SKL we have different objectives
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Nicolai Hvass

    Clarification on 3:
    The time and effort involved in making a compact unit for home use which requires power up and power down constantly with variable demand seems complicated!? On the other hand a unit in a power plant where you could provide the baseline usage with one unit powered to 100% running 24 hours a day seems simpler. Furthermore – you will have competent personnel to monitor and maintain the unit as per your instructions.

    Questions:
    A – Wouldn’t a commercial unit running constantly be a much simpler product with huge impact and low R&D costs?
    B – It appears to me that you charge by the kWh created. Is it true that a unit as described above would maximize the profit (running at 100% 24 hours a day) ?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Chuck Davis:
    We’ll see.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels:
    What is very interesting in the comment of Raffaele Bongo is the weight of the battery of his new electric car: 50 kWh/ 350 kg, which means 7 kg/kWh.
    This figure makes the Ecat SKL competitive also in terms of energy density. And the car of Raffaele is new, so it mounts the last generation of batteries.
    This information is useful.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Xavier Pitz:
    so…let’s hope to fly !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Chuck Davis

    Dear Andrea, In response to your confirmation to providing ecats to the power companies let’s hope that they would be utilized in a distributed energy scenario to eliminate blackouts, fire danger and transmission losses. Perhaps the availability of home ecats will be a sufficient threat to cause the utilities to keep prices low!

    Warm regards,
    Chuck Davis

  • Steven N. Karels

    Raffaele Bongo and Andrea Rossi,

    Interesting post. Should eCat SKL prove real and reliable, then it could obviously be used in electric cars. Generally, as I understand it, the eCat technology is best applied where a continuous energy generation is desired. In an electric car, the electricity demands vary on speed, terrain, and ancillary systems such as air conditioning. I would suggest that a smaller battery would still be required for high energy demand situations (e.g., climbing a mountain) while the eCat could be continuously generating charging power.

    If the eCat SKL ran continuously (24 hrs/day), then the output power could reasonably be limited to the driving energy per day consumed divided by 24 hours. For example, if your electric car with a 50 kWhr capacity typically would only consume 24 kWhr per day, then the eCat SKL need only supply the average of 1 kW of power.

    On longer trips, the driver would likely stop at an electric charging station while he/she takes a break from driving, eats, etc. Thoughts?

  • Xavier Pitz

    Hello Giuseppe Censorio, Andrea,

    About the link you (Giuseppe) posted but that was strangely fusion-ed with your signature :
    https://motori.corriere.it/motori/attualita/20_giugno_22/easa-certifica-primo-aereo-elettrico-europeo-aad44d5e-b470-11ea-b2e4-a57ed971b2a8.shtml

    This is another link to a very insightful YouTube video about the possibility of Electric Planes :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvzZfsC13o

    The Pipistrel alpha electro which is featured in your article is also featured in the video that I linked at 7 minutes 47 seconds.

    The video that I linked concluded that electric planes are possible for small/light/small range airplanes (like the Pipistrel alpha electro) but are not possible for big/heavy/long range airliners (like an A320). It is also very well explained why this is so with detailed calculations.

    The main issue to make big/heavy/long range airliners possible is the energy density / specific energy of Li-Ion batteries.
    At 6 minutes 34 seconds, he assumes a specific energy for Li-Ion batteries of 278 Wh/kg. (this was state-of-the-art 2 years ago)
    Now, what will be really interesting is to plug-in the specific energy of the SKL into those equations and to see how much it will affect the outcome of the conclusion… :)

    By the way, I’m a sailplane pilot and flew many times in the non-electric version of a Pipistrel Sinus with a friend.
    Pipistrels are very nice flying machines :)

    Best Regards,

    Xavier Pitz

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank Acland:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Giuseppe Censorio:
    Interesting,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Anonymous:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Frank Acland

    Dear Andrea,

    I read today’s comment by Nicolai Hvass with interest. I have a related question. Are you contemplating building E-Cat power plants that can feed electricity into the grid, similar to how today’s coal/gas/solar/nuclear power plants provide power to the grid?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

  • Anonymous

    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    in your paper
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long:range_particle_interactions
    the long range interactions are intended to be the interactions of the Aharonov-Bohm effect ?

  • Giuseppe Censorio

    Dear Andrea,
    Things grow

    Regards, Giuseppe

  • Andrea Rossi

    Nicolai Hvass:
    1- because it is impossible
    2- because it is necessary to develope the reliability of the technology
    3- I do not understand what you mean
    Thank you for your opinion.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Giovanni Serrazanetti:
    Nice insight.
    Sometimes, also, scientific “big science” R&D is fundamentally a research of funds. Most of times it rejects aprioristically anything that could jeoparzize funds in the making or on course with destination things that are useful for nothing and everybody knows will never be useful for anything: this fact, apparently noxious to funding, is, on the contrary, appreciated, because a thing that is useful for nothing and will never be useful for nothing, is inntrinsecally a disclaimer: no liabilities will be born from things that will never be operating, and they will eternally ” ready to work ithin the next 50 years”, with the permanent sustain of the most celebtated magazines (for obvious reasons).
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Giovanni Serrazanetti

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    it is always full of inspiration remembering that many of primary knowledgers were not academical pysicists. Joule, who evidenced one of most important principles and dedicated Energy measure unit was not physical laureate and professionally a brewer, Marconi if I well remember was officially nor higher school diplomated because his family movements but proved his reason larger than that of Poincaré, Hertz, Righi, who were sustaining mathematically “exactly” the impossibility of long range EM waves transmission, Faraday was mathematically elementary and also considered an amateur for many years, not to mention Archimedes and other ancients, Galilei, Volta, who were necessarily aut-entities.
    As Feyerabend points out, science, and this word to be honest with its social semantics has slightly tired me, is a matter of knowledge but also of consensus.

    Hope to see as soon as possible a new Ecat presentation.

    Warm regards,

    Giovanni Serrazanetti

  • Nicolai Hvass

    Dear Dr Rossi,
    I am an engineer (MSc) and alternative energy enthusiast but have applied my engineering skills in the civil side of our field.

    I have a couple of layman questions for you:
    1. Why not take the core of your invention – which is heat – and implement it into existing facilities of coal fired / steam electrical plants ?
    2. Why are you so focused on developing stand alone units – it seems to take a long time and only serve ancillary purposes?
    3. I think your “home unit” sounds great – but wouldn’t this only be necessary for a remote location? For example in all cities – infrastructure is already there – provide your giant ecat to the powerplant and the problem is solved for the entire city!?

    In Denmark for example they run superheated water to all major cities to heat the houses – provide your ecat in key locations and you are heating the entire city of Copenhagen !

    I completely understand if you are looking to make a lot of money – I just hope that you figure out a way to do it quickly so the environment can benefit sooner rather than later.
    It seems inefficient to build 1,000’s of small units running intermittently as opposed to 10’s of giant units running constantly…..
    When I saw the container unit – I thought it was a unit ready to be shipped to a remote location….I never imagined that it was to be a unit setup to complete with “the grid”?!!
    Again – I might be completely missing the boat here – perhaps I just don’t comprehend the mission!?

    Best regards, Nic

  • Andrea Rossi

    Sam:
    Thank you, very interesting. My best wishes to all our Canadian Readers that are fathers !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Raffaele Bongo:
    We are fighting for that.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Wilfried Babelotzky:
    The Ecat SKL should give its COP. It would be used in any system to which it will be applied. The system in itself will conserve its intrinsic efficiency, independently from the Ecat SKL.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Wilfried Babelotzky

    Dear Andrea,

    if I would need only heat, would it not be best to use SKL with heat pump? It may would be three times more heat as with SK at the same power?!

    Kind regards
    Wilfried

  • Raffaele Bongo

    Hello A. Rossi

    My wife received her new car. It’s an electric 100 kW power. Its battery weighs 350 kg, occupies a volume of 0.25 M ^ 3 and has a capacity of 50 kWh.
    This car outperforms the thermal version with the exception of two points:
    It is much more expensive than the thermal version and its autonomy although announced at 350 km is in common practice only 290 km and even goes down to 210 km on the highway.

    Would it be possible in the near future (10 years) to replace the bulky and heavy battery with your E-Cat SKL in order to give such a car, a range of approximately 10 000 km?
    That would be wonderful

    All my support for your efforts to develop and have your invention certified

    Best regards
    Raffaele

  • Sam

    Hello DR Rossi

    Today is Fathers Day in Canada.
    This article is about a Canadian
    inventor that talks about how his
    Father contributed to his successes.

    https://business.financialpost.com/technology/chasing-edison-meet-canadas-most-prolific-arguably-inventor-who-sees-ideas-everywhere

    Regards
    Sam

  • Andrea Rossi

    Edouard Verbois:
    The Ecat is not ready for sales yet, but when it will be it will surely be distributed also in all Europe.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Edouard Verbois

    Dr Rossi,
    A ton le droit d’utiliser l’appareil en France ?
    Edouard Verbois

  • Andrea Rossi

    KeitT:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • KeithT

    Dear Andrea,

    I would have thought that to get sufficient electrons surrounding a proton would require structure, say hydrogen atoms confined in lattice interstitials unable to migrate due to surrounding chains of confined hydrogen atoms and external pressure loading, electrons are thought to transfer from lattice atoms to surround the confined hydrogen, nearby lattice defects also attracting electrons to aid the build-up, an electric signal /electromagnetics is then added to this pre-existing condition, the hydrogen atoms would then be confined in a chain of interstitials but individually surrounded by the lattice atoms. Driving all the electrons in a lattice zone to be coherent may then encompass multiple hydrogen atoms in a chain, but is coherence of the chain a necessity, is alignment of chains with direction of electron flow / electromagnetics a requirement or can individual hydrogen atoms each with their individual surrounding shell of electrons be driven to become coherent and then each form a proton-electron aggregate.

    There is likely many things suspected but not proven, hopefully future papers will provide detail of the possible aggregate formation mechanism and energy release, until then curiosity drives me to read related papers looking for hints of what the bigger picture is going to look like.

    Regards,

    Keith Thomson.

  • Frank Acland

    @Eric Ashworth, please send to ecatworld@gmail.com.

    Thank you!

    Frank

  • Andrea Rossi

    Eric Ashworth,
    If you want, you can send it to
    info@journal-of-nuclear-physics.com
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Eric Ashworth

    @Frank Acland
    Dear Frank Ackland, The paper I have written for publication on the JONP. I would also like you to publish it on E Cat news. To what address would you like me to send it for possible publication. Regards Eric Ashworth

  • Eric Ashworth

    Dear Andrea, It has been several weeks since I contacted yourself with regards the presentation of a paper ‘The Unifying of Gravity with Energy’ for publication on your JONP. My main concern with the paper has been to keep it as simple as possible without elaborating on the many levels that the paper touches on. I therefore consider it a brief introduction to an extremely complex subject. My question is to what address in PDF format would you like me to send the paper. Regards, Eric Ashworth

  • Chuck Davis

    @Frank Acland, I suspect that resistance to the ecat will be predominately from those countries with a strong presence of the oil mafia. Even now with clean, economical energy being available from the SK, countries around the globe continue to burn coal! I have emailed those countries to inform them of the ecat and have not even received a reply! But I think that those countries without an oil industry will welcome the ecat. There are no greater hypocrites than our own governments!

    Warm regards,
    Chuck Davis

  • Andrea Rossi

    KeithT:
    What do you mean exactly ? In which situation you insulate a single proton in a coherent system ?
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • KeithT

    Dear Andrea,

    Can a coherent proton-electron aggregate form around a single proton?

    Regards,

    Keith Thomson.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Patrick:
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Italo R.:
    SKL
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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