United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

 

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  • KeithT

    Dear Andrea,

    For a comparison to batteries, on the LG Chem website, there is information regarding their lithium ion polymer pouch cell batteries, also there is a PDF (2018 so probably outdated) that gives power ratings, envelope dimensions and weights for the product line-up of modules, racks and even containers, the high energy container reference M48218P5B is an unmanned 40ft HC ISO container rated for 6.8 MWh, although it is on the heavy side at 60 ton.

    It is likely that for large assemblies of E-Cat’s, the same as for batteries, the infrastructure for packaging and linking them together will contribute heavily towards the weight, thereby influencing Wh/kg.

    Regards,

    Keith Thomson.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Raffaele Bongo:
    1- The Ecat consumes nothing when it is turned off.
    2- I too would like to have a precise information: there are around different figures .
    Thank you for your attention to our work.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Dear Andrea,
    As the old saying goes, “A picture is worth more than a thousand words”.
    Would it be possible for you to display a working unit on a lab bench without an explanation of any of the parts or procedures?
    I think that many of your long time supporter would enjoy such a picture.
    Curious regards.

  • Raffaele Bongo

    Hello A. Rossi

    I see that your project has made huge progress and I am delighted. I hope that soon we will have the pleasure of seeing this magnificent device in a web presentation.

    I found that the car battery was produced by a Chinese firm “CATL”. It manufactures for its customers packs each containing 18 modules of 12 cells. The customer assembles these packs according to his needs. These batteries have a “BMS” control system that operates continuously to ensure proper operation and safety. There is therefore energy consumption even when the vehicle is parked.

    I have two questions.

    – For you: Does your control system have to work continuously or does it stop when the E-CAT is stopped?

    – For your support: Does anyone know the capacity of a single Li-ion cell? I did not find this information. On the web, we only give the mass capacity currently obtained on commercial batteries (250 Wh / Kg without packaging and BMS).

    Best regards
    Raffaele

  • Andrea Rossi

    Stephen:
    1. Mainly electric, but in part also thermal
    2. no
    3. yes
    Thank you for your wishes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Stephen

    Dear Andrea.

    Amazing and exciting news that you still find ways to improve the ecat SKL.

    I guess an inventors mind never rests and in lockdown that time is never wasted.

    May I ask if the improvement is

    1. the over all power density. Thermal and electric
    2. An improvement in the Electricsl power density only.
    3. Probably the same as 2 but an improvement in the electrical power generation efficiency

    Good luck with this I can see that any improvements in these has big impacts son the design and how it can be used.

    Best Regards
    Stephen

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mason:
    1- no
    2- yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Aleksei Savchenko:
    1- no
    2- the quest is still open and all the participants can change their numbers when they want.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Aleksei Savchenko

    Dear Andrea,
    Thank you for good news from 26 june in response to Frank Acland (as always) that: “We are increasing the energy density: an invention of yesterday has opened a new path in this sense”.
    In this connection two questions
    1. Did you reach this result by concentrating energy in the center using some kind special mirrors or implement the other method?
    2. What will be with your quest when people try to guess the Ecat SKL parameters and they suddenly changed?
    Best regards, Aleksei

  • Mason

    Dear Andrea,

    your response of “both + double yes” is exciting news.

    Without your being too specific, does the following ragone plot present a reasonable scale for the SKL’s current performance? Has the SKL improved upon the 2014 E-Cat results?
    Link>> https://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/E-Cat_ragone_301.png

    Respectfully,
    Mason Ainsworth

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gerard McEk:
    1. yes
    2. this is a question that demands facts, not words
    Thank you for your kind wishes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mason:
    Both + double yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Wilfried Babelotzky:
    Just enough to say that theoretically it should not be impossible, but our focus now is not there.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Wilfried Babelotzky

    Dear Andrea,

    do you have any new idea to shrink the SKL to the size of a smatphone battery?

    Kind regards
    Wilfried

  • Mason

    Dear Andrea,

    Thank you for sharing the good news of increasing the energy density through a yesterday’s invention for the SKL. If you are able, is this invention better ascribed to deep-learning enhancements of the heuristic algorithm, the AI software, or due to a change in the hardware, or both?

    With this further enhancement of the SKL, do you project that the power density will be soon enhanced as well? Has your heuristic algorithm made it far easier to harvest what the increase in the energy density has made available?

    Sincerely & Respectfully,
    Mason Ainsworth

  • Gerard McEk

    Dear Andrea,
    You said that a new invention makes it possible to increase the energy density of the SKL.
    1. Are you able to assemble a new Ecat SKL Like that at your location for testing?
    2. What factor of energy density increase do you believe Is possible?
    I wish you all the success with this new development.
    Kind regards, Gerard

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank Acland:
    We are increasing the energy density: an invention of yesterday has opened a new path in this sense. We are accumulating information continuing to use the Ecat SKL.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Frank Acland

    Dear Andrea,

    What aspect of your work is taking up most of your time and attention these days?

    Kind regards,

    Frank Acland

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mason:
    Thank you for the information and for your kind wishes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gerard McEk:
    1- the charge is the same
    2- No. What is changed is the theoretical system: by the way, in the website has been integrated the paper
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
    3- no
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    Dear Andrea,
    For my book I was researching for the Leonardo Company and landed on the Ecat.com, the official website of the Leonardo Company. I found that a lot of the information provided may be outdated with regards to your more recent revelations where you prompted that the SK/SKL is not nuclear. E.g. you still show on many locations LENR as the assumed energy source, which is clearly a nuclear source. The SKL is not mentioned at all.
    Can you tell:
    1. Is energy supplied with the original Ecat LENR based?
    2. What about the Ecat QX, SK and SKL, These are based on this newly found energy source that is described in your ResearchGate document. Is that energy source different from the original Ecat?
    3. Do you believe that all assumed LENR is in fact based on your newly proposed mechanisms in your ResearchGate document?
    Thanks, kind regards, Gerard

  • Mason

    Dear Andrea,

    the following is interesting and I share it as an FYI during these odd times.

    Given the logic of the following analysis, it doesn’t take too much effort to form a perspective of how the integration of an SKL into an electric vehicle will intensify the general conclusions offered.
    Link>> https://seekingalpha.com/article/4355640-tesla-v2g-technology-dramatically-increase-demand-and-sales-of-all-models

    My very best to you, your team, and your wife.

    Sincerely & Respectfully,
    Mason Ainsworth

  • Andrea Rossi

    Prof:
    Thank you for the link,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Prof

    Dear Andrea,
    Mike Phalennhas made a link to discuss your paper
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
    Here is the link:
    https://therossieffect.org
    All the best,
    Prof

  • Andrea Rossi

    Chuck Davis:
    That is a dream; I share that dream, but a lot of work remains to be done. And we are doing that work.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Chuck Davis

    Dear Andrea, The production of the skl will usher in so many revolutionary changes that it will become known as the “Rossi Era”, the genesis of our planet! The segment of RV campers for example will be a boon for all outdoor enthusiasts, hunters, fishermen, campers, and nomads in general! With an skl powered EVRV one will be able to live autonomously off grid with all the conveniences such as A/C, refrigerator, freezer, etc. There are atmospheric water generators available now that will provide a clean water supply. It will probably even affect home ownership. Many will choose a gypsy life in their EVRV to escape the drudgery of home ownership! Another possibility, is with the addition of a septic system and an atmospheric water generator one would be able to configure their homes for total off grid living!

    Exciting times,
    Chuck Davis

  • Andrea Rossi

    Wilfried Babelotzky:
    Thank you for your opinion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Biogen Power:
    Thank you for the information,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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  • Wilfried Babelotzky

    Dear Andrea,

    some comments on SKL usage on cars:
    I do not believe that range would be the question. Cars with SKL source only will be air-conditioned 24/7 and communicate 24/7.
    Service for SKL will be done together with the general service, once a year.

    Kind regards
    Wilfried

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Readers:
    Please go to
    http://www.rossilivecat.com
    to find comments published today in other posts of this blog,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    William R. Conley:
    The answer should be yes, but has to be experimented.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Anonymous:
    When it will be for sale.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
    When will you make public the certification of the Ecat SKL ?

  • William R Conley

    Dear Andrea,

    I think what Gerard McEk is asking in his Q4 is if a constantly running SKL could go one year between refills, could an SKL powering an EV last 10 years between refills if the car only required it to be running 1/10 of the time? The underlying question is obviously can the SKL be efficiently stopped/started on demand based on driving needs and thus conserve fuel.

    Bill Conley

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gerard McEk:
    I am not able to answer with precision to these questions, until we will have made specific experiments.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    Dear Andrea,
    Although your answer to my last question (4.) is very positive, it is not clear. :)
    Let me rephrase: If I drive my E-Cat driven car in the future 2.4 hours per 24 hours on average, would the need to ‘refuel’ be once in the 10 years? (Assuming I could run the Ecat continuously for 1 year, without ‘refueling’)

    Assuming you could drive 200 km in 2.4 hours:
    This would mean that if somebody commutes 200 km/working-day he never needs to refuel in the 14 years.
    In total he would drive 730,000 km/456,000 miles), about the lifetime of a car. Good competitor for Tesla with a million mile battery, I would guess.
    Thanks, Gerard

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gerard McEk:
    1. not yet
    2. maybe
    3. confidential
    4. yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    Dear Andrea,
    1. Has a new date for 3rd party hands-on testing been agreed already?
    (I know Corona is still with us and expanding in countries like US, India and some South American countries, but in Europe, where you say you are, they are getting it slowly under control. Air traffic is starts up again.)
    2. Is there any chance that a demonstration of the E-cat SKL’s unparalleled performance will be done in an electric car driving thousands of miles without refueling?
    3. Are you in direct contact with (electric) car suppliers to negotiate the use of the E-Cat SKL?
    4. Is ‘refuel’ of the E-cat depending on the (intermittent) usage (if you use it 1/10 of the time, it could be 10 years) or just the time (say once a year)?
    Thank you for answering our questions and good luck with putting the E-Cat SKL on the market.
    Kind regards, Gerard

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mark U:
    It could be true.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Svein H. Vormedal:
    I agree.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Svein H. Vormedal

    Dear Andrea.
    You wrote to Steven yesterday: “The cost of refill will be lower, I think”.
    A car with 25 kW SKL installed and a battery of 1/10 part of the current size will, as the figures from Rafaele shows, work well.
    When the car is parked, it can be connected to the grid and deliver power to it, with a profit for the car owner.
    Through the use of cars, the SKL’s unique features are fully utilized and the existing energy network is at the same time exploited.
    Regards Svein H. Vormedal

  • Mark U

    Dear Andrea,
    You wrote to Steven Karels the following:
    “What is very interesting in the comment of Raffaele Bongo is the weight of the battery of his new electric car: 50 kWh/ 350 kg, which means 7 kg/kWh. This figure makes the Ecat SKL competitive also in terms of energy density. ”

    Competitive is surely an understatement! Or perhaps you meant something other than energy density: perhaps you meant power density. When it comes to energy density the Ecat SKL should trounce battery technology by three orders of magnitude.

    For instance Raffaele’s electric car battery has an energy density of 50kWh/350kg , which is about 143 watt hours / kg. (A laptop battery is about two times this I think. Laptops use about 50 watts and have batteries about 1kg. )

    But if the Ecat SKL apparatus weighs (say) 6kg and outputs a net of (say) 100 watts, and can go one year without needing a fuel wafer change,
    then that is an energy density of 100W * 24hrs * 365 / 6kg =~ 146,000 watt hours / kg.

    Energetic regards,
    Mark

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels:
    The cost for refill will be lower, I think.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Xavier Pitz:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Bob Belovich:
    I give you an example: the vaccine for the corona virus. There have been enormous investments on it because there are patents in the making that will guarantee to the investors huge profits. The vaccine is very important for humanity, but the engine that is propelling it is business. Without intellectual property the efforts to make a vaccine in short time would be without the necessary investments…like a general without army and power of fire. Beyond the nice words, the fact is that nobody puts his money without a perspective of profit. This is the reality we have to deal with.
    For the Ecat the reality is the same.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Raffaele Bongo:
    Thank you very much for your collaboration.
    These numbers are gold because taken “in corpore viri”.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Raffaele Bongo

    Hello A. Rossi

    I do not have the exact measurements of the car battery and the dealer did not want to tell me.
    In addition to what I wrote earlier, I can add that it consists of two blocks located under the front and rear seats of the vehicle and that the total volume is 250 liters.

    I will try to see more about the characteristics of this battery.
    All my support to your team
    Best regards
    Raffaele

  • Bob Belovich

    Dear Andrea Rossi

    The progress you have made in creating the eCat technology and developing the eCat SKL would not have been possible without the contribution from a number of people. These include the lab team, the management team, the legal team and the financing team.

    Valuable information you have from creating and developing the technology is maintained as confidential with non-disclosure agreements. In these agreements, the parties promise to each other not to reveal certain information. These agreements help to protect the trade secrets created and developed through your joint efforts. In this way, the information represents some of Leonardo Corporations intellectual property; the other intellectual property being the patents.
    National laws protect interests in intellectual property through patent laws and trade secret laws. Because of these protections, investors may be willing to take the risk of financing creation and development of eCat technology. In return investors have the right to expect a return on their capital should the eCat technology prove successful in the marketplace. Investors may also expect an additional return on capital in reward for taking the risks associated of investing in unproven and new technologies.

    This framework has some potentially negative consequences for society-at-large, because patents overall contribute to inequality in income and wealth distribution. Economist Dean Baker has written extensively on this subject mostly in context of prescription drugs. https://www.cepr.net/patents-and-the-pandemic-again/ You may find his perspectives meaningful.

    Economist Fadhel Kaboub has been studying means and methods for the achieving prosperity in economies of developing countries. He has addressed the issue of patent rights created in countries with advanced economies in countries with developing economies. The Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperity http://www.global-isp.org/ publishes papers and reports of their findings and conclusions.

    The e-Cat technology holds great potential for all humanity. Making the best of it may require consideration of some factors referenced in this post.
    My best wishes to you and your team.

  • Xavier Pitz

    Dear Andrea,

    Steven thinks Raffaele’s wife car is a Tesla Model 3.
    With the specification he gave us, I better bet on a Peugeot e-208 :)

    The thing is I couldn’t get more information about its battery pack volume / form factor.
    And Tesla’s model 3 battery pack is probably a little bit more performant than the Peugeot e-208 one.

    Best Regards,

    Xavier Pitz

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