Brice:
The choice to plug the Ecat SKLed to the outlet of the grid is just for practic reasons: we could also make a version with a battery: maybe a good idea.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
It remains very challenging to reflect on the operating principles of the E Cat SKL, now extended as a light source to the E Cat SKLed.
A careful attempt to give a simplified explanation why the special LED gives so much light and why this light is also white:
In the paper we read that electron clusters are formed, but it was – to me – not clear what happened to these clusters afterwards. Now it is quite likely that these clusters will continue to exist, and behave like a kind of heavy electrons that pass electron-wise through the conductors that carry the current from the E Cat SKL electrodes.
For the Ecat SKLed, the electrodes are connected to an LED, which is in fact a kind of stair step along which the electrons have to jump from a higher to a lower energy level, repelling energy by emitting photons.
Now I think it would be a plausible explanation that the previously produced clustered electrons when jumping the stair step emit a whole spectrum of enormous amounts of photons that is much more (several orders of magnitude more) than what ordinary electrons emit when crossing the junction.
Now a question: do these lamps also require UV filters to filter out any harmful components of the white light?
Nils Fryklund:
The point is: how much Watthours are consumed by the Ecat SKLed compared to the consume of any ather lamp in the market with the same amount of lumens ?
In other words: how much does spend the client to use the Ecat SKLed compared to a lamp with the same light emission ?
That’s all: where comes from the light is not an issue for the client.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea!
How can you prove, for the general public, that the light-effect comes from E-catSKLed and not from the 220V cord?
Best regards
Nils Fryklund
Dear dr. Rossi,
finally the news everyone was waiting for.
A functional, reliable product, ready for the market and to be produced in very large quantities.
I suppose that the COP will be calculated only at the electrical level (electrical power output to LED divided by electrical power supply).
It would in fact be complicated and controversial using the luminous efficiency of the LED section.
Am I correct?
As a catchy terminology for the casual description of the new form of energy of the E-Cat, I suggest the following:
English: sub atomic particle energy suction (SAPES)
German: subatomare Teilchenenergieabsaugung (SATEA)
That the SKLed is still dependent on mains power and cannot work with a battery seems hard to understand.
What I could understand, however, is that you do not want to completely disrupt the existing energy and financial markets. A smoother market launch may be a wise decision. Do these factors come into play?
In your response to Patrick on 7th I think you mentioned using a series of 200 W ecat cm SKL lamps.
You have also mentioned in the past having arrays of 120 ecat SKL’s
1. Are those 200 W lights the new ECAT SKLed? if so is the 200 W
a) the input power of the ecat SKLed?
B) the internal electrical output used to peer the led?
C) the equivalent light flux output power?
2. If 1A is correct could we expect Lumen out put to be orders of magnitude above that if a typical single 200 W lamp?
3. If 1B is right could we expect it to be closer to 200 x 220 Lumens?
4. We’re the 120 unit arrays previously mentioned made up of these lamps?
Dear Mr. Rossi,
i am a bit confused about the statements so far.
1) Will the E-Cat SKLed will have sockets to plug in other lights/lamps or does the SKLed just work with the integrated LEDs?
2) Elsewhere there is a statement that lights and electric heat is the same restrictive load. So can i plug in (if it comes with sockets) f.e. an oil filled electric heater/radiator (with no fan/no pump) to the E-Cat SKLed, too?
3) Or will there be an oil filled radiator with an integrated E-Cat SKL in the future?
Best regards
Joachim
Does the fact that you now have a date and place for the presentation mean that the certification company have given you a date before tha by which the certification should bd given?
By the way that part of the story reminds me very much of the Tesla Westinghouse certification of the Chicago fair by the then named “Underwriters Laboratories” (UL).
It would be as great modern day twist to thy to the story if that is happening again.
Your comments about dreams of Tesla giving you information is fascinating to me. So many great works of humanity have been attributed to information received in non-ordinary states of consciousness. Is there anything else you can tell us about your Tesla dreams?
This reminded me of when you had the hernia operation while working the night shift on the one year test back in 2015 you said this. The first mention of the Quark, the first plasma based E-cat:
“2015-07-23 07:01 Andrea Rossi Gian Luca: He,he,he… By the way, it’s 8 a.m. here, I am inside the plant and well; no more necessity of painkillers, I can work as always without any pain. Hernia is over, work is as usual. We are working on the new version of the Hot cat, from which I have great expectations, while the 1 MW E-Cat is stable. Warm Regards, A.R.
The next day when AlbertN asked you for more info about the new version you said in part:
“The funny part is how I got this idea: after the hernia surgery, when I woke up from the total anesthesy I got through, I had to stay some hour in a room, with pain. I am used to overcome pain relaxing and focusing strongly in something; obviously I focused on a new reactor and it came out. Now we did it, tomorrow goes in action. We’ll see if she is an abort or a baby. If she is a baby, is a M.me Curie! Warm Regards, A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Your revelations about the light producing Ecat SKLed has lead to an explosion of comments on ECW. A relatively small number has directly responded to you here on JoNP. Possibly you took some notice of the ECW discussion too.
I am also quite intrigued by this concept and I hope you allow some questions about it:
1. Will the first SKLeds require mains or battery support to drive them?
2. Is my guess true that they will not be able to run in SSM?
Thanks if you can answer.
I wish you, your partner and colleagues all the success with the introduction of the first Ecat driven application!
Kind regards, Gerard
I wish you well in your product launch of the SKLed. It is very exciting.
When you do launch your product, which terminology will you use in your marketing to describe to the uninitiated where the energy comes from? It would seem that “cold fusion”, “low energy nuclear” or “condensed matter nuclear” no longer fit. Would it be “hydrogen-metal plasma” or “dense electron cluster” or another short descriptor to more easily convey the root of this technology to businesses/consumers?
Whichever you choose, it will become an instant catch phrase or tagline used by the press.
Frank Acland:
1. It would be for all these tasks
2. It will be sold
3. Leonardo Corporation and made in the USA
4. yes, and we would recognize easily that there has been a tempering attempt, and consequently the guarantee would expire, while for any other defect we will substitute the Ecat for free as soon as we will receive back the defectous one,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Harvey Hamel:
Thank you for your insight, that makes sense, albeit my duty is to make apparatuses that help saving the use of fossil fuels and allow people to save money. Your point is intelligent, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
It is a wonderful thing you and your partners are creating in providing the world with an abundance of very low-cost white lighting and also reducing humanity’s dependence on fossil fuels. There will likely be many companies and even governments who will flock to your door for this amazing new source of light.
I hope you will not feel that I’m being presumptuous, but I am attaching a link related to relatively new global phenomenon known as “light pollution” which is a growing concern around our planet. I realize you have no control over how your customers will use your wonderful new product. But many products in the marketplace do come with caveat language on the potential harm resulting from misuse.
My thanks and blessings for all the hard work you and your team have been doing to make our lives better.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
May I ask if the SKLed light for domestic use is omni directional or only partly omni directional or is it an essentially parallel beam?
Thank you,
Calle H
1. Will the E-Cat SKLed be a product that you will market for industrial, commercial, or household lighting?
2. Will the SKLed device be sold, or will the lighting be leased?
3. Will the SKLed be a Leonardo Corp. product, or a product of your US partner?
4. Will the SKLed have any self-destruct mechanism if it is tampered with?
I have the impression that it will not be long before the presentation is given! This is a very exciting moment that I have been waiting for for a long time. I am very curious about your industrial partner who will build 1 million SKLeds per year.
I believe that vertical farming with white light is very interesting. Plants normally have enough by getting red and blue light to grow. Red light provides the most growth, blue light provides less growth, but also produces very healthy polyphenols. The green part of the light is normally not used because plants do not use that light, they reflect it through their chlorophyll, that’s why they look green in daylight. Eliminating excess green light saves the farmer about 1/3rd of the energy. But does that still matter when the SKL provides abundant energy?
Frank Acland:
Good question.
They have been invented in a way to match the characteristics of the Ecat SK to yield the maximum of efficiency, studying with the spectrometer the LED light and many other factors. The Ecat SKLed is a synergetic unicum.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Wilfried Babelotzky:
To answer is impossible without giving confidential information. Yes, the life is expected to be many years, 24 hours per day, without necessity of a recharge.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
A LED lamp for private home lumination is typically rated 100 LM/W and the cost is about 1$/W. If the E-Cat SKLed outputs 220 LM/W you get more than twice the lumination per watt compared to the regular LED. Is it then a fair guess that the SKLed price is half of the regular LED, i.e. 0.5$/W and a 5kW E-Cat SKLed unit would then be priced 0.5 x 5000 = 2500$ ?
I apologize if my enthusiasm is bothering you.
Calle H
Just curious – is there any restriction on the colour of light produced by the SKLed? Agricultural uses tend to favour blues and reds rather than whites alone.
Ron Stringer
am I correctly interpreting the assumption that the E-Cat generates the light directly, without the detour via electrical power? The efficiency would then be on the level of the E-Cat and not on the level of an LED. The efficiency would then be over 90%! In relation to the efficiency of an E-Cat, the light would have an almost infinite operating life, i.e. decades?
Dear Andrea
In many winter-cold parts of the globe, artificial lighting is used to propel plants in greenhouses, in the dark season.
Will the new E-Cat SKL LEDs be useful in such cases?
Best Regards.
Svein H. Vormedal
Calle H:
I did not say that the Ecat SKLed will not be available for domestic use. It would be.
About the use of solar cells, I am afraid the efficiency would be low. It is designed to make light with a dramatically high efficiency, by orders of magnitude higher that the best existing LED illumination systems (220 LM/W). The match between the Ecat SKL and a LED lamp is very efficient, for many reasons we studied about and that derive from the theoretical system illustrated in http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers:
Today has been published on the Journal of Nuclear Physics the paper
“On the Role of Nuclear Binding Energy in Understanding Cold Nuclear Fusion”
by Prof. U.V.S. Seshavatharam and Prof S. Lakshminarayana, Department of Nuclear Physics of the Andhra University.
Brice:
The choice to plug the Ecat SKLed to the outlet of the grid is just for practic reasons: we could also make a version with a battery: maybe a good idea.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Wilfried Babelotzky:
Thank you for your suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Italo R.:
Please see my answer to Nils Fryklund,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hello Andrea,
It remains very challenging to reflect on the operating principles of the E Cat SKL, now extended as a light source to the E Cat SKLed.
A careful attempt to give a simplified explanation why the special LED gives so much light and why this light is also white:
In the paper we read that electron clusters are formed, but it was – to me – not clear what happened to these clusters afterwards. Now it is quite likely that these clusters will continue to exist, and behave like a kind of heavy electrons that pass electron-wise through the conductors that carry the current from the E Cat SKL electrodes.
For the Ecat SKLed, the electrodes are connected to an LED, which is in fact a kind of stair step along which the electrons have to jump from a higher to a lower energy level, repelling energy by emitting photons.
Now I think it would be a plausible explanation that the previously produced clustered electrons when jumping the stair step emit a whole spectrum of enormous amounts of photons that is much more (several orders of magnitude more) than what ordinary electrons emit when crossing the junction.
Now a question: do these lamps also require UV filters to filter out any harmful components of the white light?
With best regards,
Koen
Which product is next in line for launch after LED lights with Ecat Effect?
Nils Fryklund:
The point is: how much Watthours are consumed by the Ecat SKLed compared to the consume of any ather lamp in the market with the same amount of lumens ?
In other words: how much does spend the client to use the Ecat SKLed compared to a lamp with the same light emission ?
That’s all: where comes from the light is not an issue for the client.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea!
How can you prove, for the general public, that the light-effect comes from E-catSKLed and not from the 220V cord?
Best regards
Nils Fryklund
Dear dr. Rossi,
finally the news everyone was waiting for.
A functional, reliable product, ready for the market and to be produced in very large quantities.
I suppose that the COP will be calculated only at the electrical level (electrical power output to LED divided by electrical power supply).
It would in fact be complicated and controversial using the luminous efficiency of the LED section.
Am I correct?
Kind Regards,
Italo R.
Dear Andrea,
As a catchy terminology for the casual description of the new form of energy of the E-Cat, I suggest the following:
English: sub atomic particle energy suction (SAPES)
German: subatomare Teilchenenergieabsaugung (SATEA)
Best regards
Wilfried
Dear Dr. Rossi,
That the SKLed is still dependent on mains power and cannot work with a battery seems hard to understand.
What I could understand, however, is that you do not want to completely disrupt the existing energy and financial markets. A smoother market launch may be a wise decision. Do these factors come into play?
Success with the demonstration of the SKLed!
Brice
Dear Andrea
In your response to Patrick on 7th I think you mentioned using a series of 200 W ecat cm SKL lamps.
You have also mentioned in the past having arrays of 120 ecat SKL’s
1. Are those 200 W lights the new ECAT SKLed? if so is the 200 W
a) the input power of the ecat SKLed?
B) the internal electrical output used to peer the led?
C) the equivalent light flux output power?
2. If 1A is correct could we expect Lumen out put to be orders of magnitude above that if a typical single 200 W lamp?
3. If 1B is right could we expect it to be closer to 200 x 220 Lumens?
4. We’re the 120 unit arrays previously mentioned made up of these lamps?
Best Regards
Stephen
Dear Mr. Rossi,
i am a bit confused about the statements so far.
1) Will the E-Cat SKLed will have sockets to plug in other lights/lamps or does the SKLed just work with the integrated LEDs?
2) Elsewhere there is a statement that lights and electric heat is the same restrictive load. So can i plug in (if it comes with sockets) f.e. an oil filled electric heater/radiator (with no fan/no pump) to the E-Cat SKLed, too?
3) Or will there be an oil filled radiator with an integrated E-Cat SKL in the future?
Best regards
Joachim
Dear Andrea,
Does the fact that you now have a date and place for the presentation mean that the certification company have given you a date before tha by which the certification should bd given?
By the way that part of the story reminds me very much of the Tesla Westinghouse certification of the Chicago fair by the then named “Underwriters Laboratories” (UL).
It would be as great modern day twist to thy to the story if that is happening again.
Best Regards
Stephen
Hi Dr. Rossi,
Your comments about dreams of Tesla giving you information is fascinating to me. So many great works of humanity have been attributed to information received in non-ordinary states of consciousness. Is there anything else you can tell us about your Tesla dreams?
This reminded me of when you had the hernia operation while working the night shift on the one year test back in 2015 you said this. The first mention of the Quark, the first plasma based E-cat:
“2015-07-23 07:01 Andrea Rossi Gian Luca: He,he,he… By the way, it’s 8 a.m. here, I am inside the plant and well; no more necessity of painkillers, I can work as always without any pain. Hernia is over, work is as usual. We are working on the new version of the Hot cat, from which I have great expectations, while the 1 MW E-Cat is stable. Warm Regards, A.R.
The next day when AlbertN asked you for more info about the new version you said in part:
“The funny part is how I got this idea: after the hernia surgery, when I woke up from the total anesthesy I got through, I had to stay some hour in a room, with pain. I am used to overcome pain relaxing and focusing strongly in something; obviously I focused on a new reactor and it came out. Now we did it, tomorrow goes in action. We’ll see if she is an abort or a baby. If she is a baby, is a M.me Curie! Warm Regards, A.R.
@Greg Daigle
Dr. Rossi is being humble. Many people are calling it the “Rossi Effect” and that name has been fairly well established in the last few years.
Dr. Rossi:
Will the light output intensity of the SQLed be fixed or variable? If variable, will the intensity level affect the lifetime of the device?
Greg Daigle:
The scientific explication is given in
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
but it is difficult to explain to a non expert public, so I would stay humble. Let us just say it is the Ecat Effect, putting the focus on the product, not on how smart we are.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
1- the Ecat SKLed will have a plug to 110 or 220 V , no batteries
2- true
Thank you for your attention to our work,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Your revelations about the light producing Ecat SKLed has lead to an explosion of comments on ECW. A relatively small number has directly responded to you here on JoNP. Possibly you took some notice of the ECW discussion too.
I am also quite intrigued by this concept and I hope you allow some questions about it:
1. Will the first SKLeds require mains or battery support to drive them?
2. Is my guess true that they will not be able to run in SSM?
Thanks if you can answer.
I wish you, your partner and colleagues all the success with the introduction of the first Ecat driven application!
Kind regards, Gerard
Dr Rossi,
I wish you well in your product launch of the SKLed. It is very exciting.
When you do launch your product, which terminology will you use in your marketing to describe to the uninitiated where the energy comes from? It would seem that “cold fusion”, “low energy nuclear” or “condensed matter nuclear” no longer fit. Would it be “hydrogen-metal plasma” or “dense electron cluster” or another short descriptor to more easily convey the root of this technology to businesses/consumers?
Whichever you choose, it will become an instant catch phrase or tagline used by the press.
Warm regards,
Greg
Frank Acland:
1. It would be for all these tasks
2. It will be sold
3. Leonardo Corporation and made in the USA
4. yes, and we would recognize easily that there has been a tempering attempt, and consequently the guarantee would expire, while for any other defect we will substitute the Ecat for free as soon as we will receive back the defectous one,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Calle H:
It can be both.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Harvey Hamel:
Thank you for your insight, that makes sense, albeit my duty is to make apparatuses that help saving the use of fossil fuels and allow people to save money. Your point is intelligent, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
It is a wonderful thing you and your partners are creating in providing the world with an abundance of very low-cost white lighting and also reducing humanity’s dependence on fossil fuels. There will likely be many companies and even governments who will flock to your door for this amazing new source of light.
I hope you will not feel that I’m being presumptuous, but I am attaching a link related to relatively new global phenomenon known as “light pollution” which is a growing concern around our planet. I realize you have no control over how your customers will use your wonderful new product. But many products in the marketplace do come with caveat language on the potential harm resulting from misuse.
My thanks and blessings for all the hard work you and your team have been doing to make our lives better.
https://www.darksky.org/protect-and-restore-the-night
Regards,
Harvey
Dear Dr. Rossi,
May I ask if the SKLed light for domestic use is omni directional or only partly omni directional or is it an essentially parallel beam?
Thank you,
Calle H
Dear Andrea,
The E-Cat SKLed is very interesting!
1. Will the E-Cat SKLed be a product that you will market for industrial, commercial, or household lighting?
2. Will the SKLed device be sold, or will the lighting be leased?
3. Will the SKLed be a Leonardo Corp. product, or a product of your US partner?
4. Will the SKLed have any self-destruct mechanism if it is tampered with?
Kind regards,
Frank Acland
Sture Andreasson:
A unique Led lamp is integrated inside an Ecat SKLed module.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Is the unique LED-lamp integrated into E-Cat, or can multiple lamps be powered by one E-Cat?
Chuck Davis:
Thank you for the link, I don’t think the Ecat SKLed is idoneous for this specific utilization.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Drew G.:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Brice:
Thank you for your attention to our work; our light is white.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
I have the impression that it will not be long before the presentation is given! This is a very exciting moment that I have been waiting for for a long time. I am very curious about your industrial partner who will build 1 million SKLeds per year.
I believe that vertical farming with white light is very interesting. Plants normally have enough by getting red and blue light to grow. Red light provides the most growth, blue light provides less growth, but also produces very healthy polyphenols. The green part of the light is normally not used because plants do not use that light, they reflect it through their chlorophyll, that’s why they look green in daylight. Eliminating excess green light saves the farmer about 1/3rd of the energy. But does that still matter when the SKL provides abundant energy?
With kind regards,
Brice
Dr. Rossi:
Is the manufacturer of the LEDs to be used in the demonstration and your first lighting product a US Corporation?
Dear Andrea, Here is an article on grow-light spectrum. https://bioslighting.com/horticulture-lighting/grow-light-spectrum-led-plants/
Warm regards,
Chuck Davis
Frank Acland:
Good question.
They have been invented in a way to match the characteristics of the Ecat SK to yield the maximum of efficiency, studying with the spectrometer the LED light and many other factors. The Ecat SKLed is a synergetic unicum.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Svein H. Vormedal:
I am not able to answer, I do not know which kind of light plants need.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Wilfried Babelotzky:
To answer is impossible without giving confidential information. Yes, the life is expected to be many years, 24 hours per day, without necessity of a recharge.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rudi:
It will be announced in due time, as well as the location,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Ron Stringer:
The light of the Ecat SKLed is white.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Chris:
All the control system is integrated inside the Ecat SKLed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Calle H:
This kind of information will be given at the presentation,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
A LED lamp for private home lumination is typically rated 100 LM/W and the cost is about 1$/W. If the E-Cat SKLed outputs 220 LM/W you get more than twice the lumination per watt compared to the regular LED. Is it then a fair guess that the SKLed price is half of the regular LED, i.e. 0.5$/W and a 5kW E-Cat SKLed unit would then be priced 0.5 x 5000 = 2500$ ?
I apologize if my enthusiasm is bothering you.
Calle H
Hello Dr Rossi,
does the ECat SKLed allow to connect it to common LED drivers like, for example, these:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/mean-well-usa-inc/HLG-185H-C700B/7703972
Or are the LED drivers integrated into the ECat SKLed?
Thanks for your answer,
Chris
Just curious – is there any restriction on the colour of light produced by the SKLed? Agricultural uses tend to favour blues and reds rather than whites alone.
Ron Stringer
Dear Mr. Rossi,
you wrote the settled date for the presentation is fixed.
So, which date it will be?
Or when you announce this date?
Best regards
Rudi
Dear Andrea,
Are the LED lights used in the E-Cat SKL normal off-the-shelf LEDs, or are they specially made for use with the SKL?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
Dear Andrea,
am I correctly interpreting the assumption that the E-Cat generates the light directly, without the detour via electrical power? The efficiency would then be on the level of the E-Cat and not on the level of an LED. The efficiency would then be over 90%! In relation to the efficiency of an E-Cat, the light would have an almost infinite operating life, i.e. decades?
best regards
Wilfried
Dear Andrea
In many winter-cold parts of the globe, artificial lighting is used to propel plants in greenhouses, in the dark season.
Will the new E-Cat SKL LEDs be useful in such cases?
Best Regards.
Svein H. Vormedal
Calle H:
I did not say that the Ecat SKLed will not be available for domestic use. It would be.
About the use of solar cells, I am afraid the efficiency would be low. It is designed to make light with a dramatically high efficiency, by orders of magnitude higher that the best existing LED illumination systems (220 LM/W). The match between the Ecat SKL and a LED lamp is very efficient, for many reasons we studied about and that derive from the theoretical system illustrated in
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers:
Today has been published on the Journal of Nuclear Physics the paper
“On the Role of Nuclear Binding Energy in Understanding Cold Nuclear Fusion”
by Prof. U.V.S. Seshavatharam and Prof S. Lakshminarayana, Department of Nuclear Physics of the Andhra University.