United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

 

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  • Stephen

    Dear Andrea.

    I wonder if there is enough thermal output from the LED aspect to provide the enough clean electrical input using a TEG to power the ECat SKL aspect of your SKLed

    I looked in to it and it looks to me it might marginally be possible. Even very efficient LED’s release 60 % of their energy as waste Heat.. that might be 15 W heat. If you could get 6.7 % efficiency in Electricity production it might be sufficient.

    I did find some prior art on using the waste heat from LED’s to generate electricity:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110234107A1/en

    I was a bit surprised it was patented to be honest as it’s a little bit obvious but it’s important to recognize that it has been.

    It’s a neat idea for LED’s to save some energy but for the SKLed with positive COP it might be a game changer.

    If there was not enough recoverable energy from the LED aspect perhaps a small amount of additional energy could be recovered. From the thermal out put of the ECat SKL part too.

    Ideally all electricity needed could come from a TEG using the waste heat from the ECat but I suspect the ECat is now much too efficient for that.

    If that was possible though that would allow alternative loads than a lamp. (Such as a heater, a pettier cooler, optimized can LED matched to PV its perfectly matched band gap etc)

    Best Regards

    Stephen.

  • Svein H. Vormedal

    Dear Andrea.
    How much of the improved light output performance from ECAT SKLed is due to a more efficient Led light source than Philips can deliver?
    Regards.
    Svein H. Vormedal

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    Q1: it depends on which definition you give to “energy gain”. By my definition I take the ratio of the existing more efficient lamp in the world, that is the Philips LED shown in Dubai, that gives 200 LM/W, vs the 2500 LM/W that we have as the base to calculate the gain: instead of 1 W you need 0.08 W to generate 200 LM
    Q2: same as in Q1
    Q3: not yet
    Q4: no
    Q5: yes
    Q6: no, we have on course the parformance and safety certification made by an independent third party and after we will have done it we will make the presentation. After that who will buy the Ecat SKLed will make all the tests he desires.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Kevin Evans

    Hi Andrea,

    The average street lamp is 6500-8000 Lumens, so let’s take a less than mean figure of 7000 lumens for our calculation.

    The efficiency of LED is between 30-90 Lumens/watt. So let’s take the upper most value of 90 Lumens/watt for a more conservative calculation.

    7000 divided by 90 give us the power draw of an average street lamp (at 7000 Lumens) = 77.78 watts.

    At 2500 lumens/watt a 7500 Lumen SKLed street lamp = just 3 watts. A 96% power saving!

    It’s obvious that city lighting departments the world over will be very interested in these figures.

    My question for you Andrea is the same one they will ask:

    Will an SKLed lamp last up to 10 years without maintenance like an LED lamp can?

    Regards,
    Kevin

  • Andrea Rossi

    Kurt:
    I agree,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Calle H:
    No, leds do not emit UV and this is a crucial penalty; it is a plus for health, though !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Chris Beall:
    There will be different models,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Chris Beall

    In reply to an earlier question whether the Ecat SKLed output was “omni directional or only partly omni directional or is it an essentially parallel beam?”, you said “It can be both”. Is there more than one model of the SKLed? If not, how is the difference between focused and omni directional output achieved?

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    You are claiming the E-Cat SKLed has a luminous efficiency of 2500 Lumens /watt (visible light output/electrical power input). This is amazing!!

    Question 1

    The response of the human eye has a peak an efficacy of 683 Lumens/watt at a wavelength of 555 nm. I calculate that the minimum energy gain of the E-Cat SKLed is 2500 lumens/watt /683 lumens /watt = 3.6 Watts (visible light output /electrical power input). Do you agree?

    Question 2

    Assuming that white light spectrum of the E-Cat SKLed has a luminous efficacy of 300 then actual energy gain of the E-Cat SKLed is approximately = 2500/300 = 8 (visible light output) / (electrical power input) . Do you agree?

    Question 3

    At this time are you willing to reveal what the actual electrical input power and luminous flux output of the E-Cat SKLed are?

    Question 4

    I know that the E-Cat SKLed is not designed to be a heater, but I contend that testing to measure its total energy dissipation is a useful experiment. I propose the E-Cat SKLed be placed in a closed aluminum pot which has been painted with a low-reflection coating on its inside surface. Its outside surface is wrapped with copper tubing through which cooling water is circulated. The cool water is connected through plastic tubing to minimize thermal leakage, and thermistors are attached to short lengths of copper tubing inserted in the cooling loop at the ends of the cooling coil. The entire aluminum pot and thermistors are covered with thick foam insulation forming a classic calorimeter. Electrical power fed to the E-Cat-Led, the cooling water flow, water temperature going in and out of the cooling coil are measured and logged for an extended time period. The calorimeter described here would also contain an auxiliary resistive heating element that is used to calibrate the system. The water flow would be adjusted to have a nominal temperature rise of 5 degrees C. I expect that the output power measured by the calorimeter would be the sum of the visible radiant power emitted by the E-Cat SKLed, any non-visible radiant power, and heat dissipated by the device. I expect that the ratio of the overall energy dissipation measured by the heat rise of the cooling water divided by the electrical energy input would be higher than 8. Do you agree?

    Question 5

    Have you already done a test similar to this?

    Question 6

    Would you consider prior to the November presentation providing one or more independent testers with an E-Cat SKLed for perhaps 30 days to conduct such a test and publicly document the results?

    Best Regards,

    Dan Galburt

  • Calle H

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    In your answer to Iggy Dalrymple on the poor efficiency of illuminating solar cells, my experience is that real world roof solar cells have a very low power yield because of daylight dependency and that daylight is not always direct sunlight but be diffusive light caused by clouds, etc. limiting the practical annual yield to maybe 1/10 of the theoretical 24/7 full sunlight yield. Could it be correct that a 10 times higher yield by 24/7 SKLed illumination could compensate for the lower efficiency?
    Thank you,
    Calle H

  • Kurt

    Dr Rossi,
    Congratulations for the replication of your effect made by the Navy of the USA and described in their patent application No. US 2021/009572 A1: the replication made ib the laboratories of the US navy is of paramount importance.
    Bravo !
    Kurt

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rainer:
    Please read the answer I gave minutes ago to Iggy Dalrymple; I ca add that, obvously, I made an experiment as you suggest, and the experiment confirmed what I said.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto:
    All the persons that will buy the ECAT SKLed to make reverse engineering will be VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY disappointed: believe me, when they will break it and look inside, they will find everything so broken that will get less information than you can get out of a Black Hole. I swear. Yes, they will found elements, but forget they will be able to recombine them. It will be like recombine the “Madonna delle Rocce” of Leonardo da Vinci recombining the drops of its oil colors dropped on the floor.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Iggy Dalrymple:
    Thank you for reminding that now the correct address of rossilivecat is
    https://rossilivecat.com
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Readers:
    Please go to
    https://rossilivecat.com
    to find comments published today in other posts of this blog,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Iggy Dalrymple:
    True, but with a poor efficiency, because the ECAT SKLed is designed not to emit UV, to be safe under the directve of the independent third party that is making the certification, and this makes our lamp performs poorly with solar panels, that get from the UV emitted by the sun most of their efficiency, because the UV are the most energetic radiations a solar panel can get.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Dear Dr Rossi,
    There are a couple of youtubes that explain that LEDs and Solar Panels are roughly interchangeable.
    They claim that you can shine a light on LEDs and generate current.
    Best Regards,
    Iggy

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Chuck Davis and Readers of the JoNP,
    The old url for “The New Rossi Blog Reader”,http://new.rossilivecat.com/, has been commandeered by “Forrest Refuge”.
    To correct this problem, delete “new.”, instead use this url, http://rossilivecat.com/
    Best Regards,
    Iggy

  • Roberto

    Dear Andrea,
    Aren’t you afraid that most of the orders will be sent also from many competitors eager to make the reverse engineering of the Ecat SKLed ?
    Best,
    Roberto

  • Rainer

    Dear Mr. Rossi!
    2500 Lumens/Watt – wow!
    Someone has it already mentioned: A balcony solar power with a micro inverter installed not at the balcony but in a basement floodlighted with the e-cat skled should work.
    What do you think about such an installation?
    Best regards
    Rainer

  • Andrea Rossi

    Sam:
    Thank you for the link,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rod:
    Yes, the Ecat SKLed is more then 10 folds more efficient, thanks to our particular technology.
    Forms and photo will be published soon preliminarly in our website and on E-Catworld, but the massive diffusion will be made after the presentation,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Jitse:
    Thank you for your suggestions,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Patrick:
    My ECAT SKLed generates 2500 Lumens per W, more than one order of magnitude of the presently lamp of Philips, then.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Patrick

    Dear Andrea,

    Please find here the latest innovation in LED bulb from Philips: https://www.mea.lighting.philips.com/consumer/dubai-lamp

    And an interesting analysis and reverse engineering video of it here: https://hackaday.com/2021/01/17/leds-from-dubai-the-royal-lights-you-cant-buy/

    Hope you find it useful.

    Targets
    Bright regards,
    Patrick

  • Jitse

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Plagiarism is recognised in the 52 statements of the navy. You can approach the Navy patent in several ways:

    1 You offer the Navy a license agreement with a double cost and you ask them to list your patent in the 52 statements
    2 continue proceed with the legal process for your patent.
    3 You offer a license to the other US Defence Forces.
    4 you register your patent with all major international patent offices such as Europe etc.

    with regards Jitse

  • Rod

    Dr Rossi,
    Philips has presented in Dubai a lamp that they dub ” the most efficient lamp in the world” and this miraculous lamp yields 200 Lumens/Watt: your SKLed yields 2500 LM/W !!!
    You are making the real revolution: when will we see the form to order your ECAT SKLed ? When we will see the photo ?
    Cheers
    Rod

  • Sam

    Hello DR Rossi
    This is another video about
    Nick Holonyak the inventor
    of the LED..

    https://youtu.be/cvIHUt0HhZA

    Regards
    Sam

  • Andrea Rossi

    Chuck Davis:
    The issue is different, but thank you for your suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank Acland:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan C.:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Alex:
    Right,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Chuck Davis AND READERS:
    The address has been changed: now to see the comments published in other posts of this blog, the new address is:
    http://rossilivecat.com
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Alex

    Dr Rossi,
    You are right: the plagiarism made by the Navy copying your patent, if from one side is uncorrect, from the other it is an independent third party replication of your technology.

  • Dan C.

    Dear Andrea

    Over the years, trolls, detractors and even some fans have said you can’t patent LENR, hydrogen, nickel etc…

    Many times I have posted that’s true. That what you patented was a device or apparatus.

    As to why fans and supporters would argue against a patent. They simply want FREE energy.

    I have a coffee shop acquaintance who had some solar panels installed a few years ago. He said he has free energy. I asked him, What did it cost him for the panels and installation?

    He said in the neighborhood of $30k hooked to the mains. hmmm, That free energy don’t sound so free to me.

    There is energy costs and cheaper energy costs. Nothing is free.

    Just an afterthought. I should probably tell my acquaintance not to leave a drop cord laying around. Or his neighbor may be able to really claim having free energy.😉

    Regards
    Dan C.

  • Chuck Davis

    Dear Andrea, Has your rossilivecat website been taken over by Forest Refuge? That’s where I end up when trying to get to your site.

    Warm regards,
    Chuck Davis

  • Frank Acland

    Dear Andrea,

    1. You have stated that the E-Cat SKLed will be 10 x 10 x 15 cm, and a weight of 200 g. Does this include everything, including the controller, LEDs, etc?

    2. Any progress on getting the picture and specifications published?

    Kind regards,

    Frank Acland

  • Chuck Davis

    Dear Andrea, Have you tried placing a grid tie inverter between the ecat and an electric motor? I am wondering if using the inverter as a buffer would help.

    Warm regards,
    Chuck Davis

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Readers:
    Please go to
    http://rossilivecat.com
    to read comments published today in other posts of this blog,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Erich:
    Probably electricity generation. Premature to schedule.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Koen Vandewalle:
    True.
    Warm regards,
    A.R.

  • Koen Vandewalle

    The colonial powers did not pay for the area they occupied at the time.
    Sympathy,
    Koen

  • Erich

    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    in November you will introduce your first product and start the sales.
    Is there already a schedule for the next products?
    How many weeks/month later will follow the next product?
    Which product it will be?
    Best regards
    Erich

  • Andrea Rossi

    Giuseppe:
    I am not afraid, when it is time to fight I fight. Why not publish ? I am right, they are wrong. I already reacted by means of my attorneys. And God sees it all.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    James Rice:
    Thank you for your suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • James Rice

    Dr. Rossi:

    Patent claims must be both novel and not obvious to a person skilled in the art. Evidence for the un-obvious nature of the invention can be commercial success, the theory being that if it were obvious, others would have invented it to take advantage of the money to be made. That they didn’t is evidence that the invention is non-obvious. The commercial product must be identical to the invention described in the claims.

    So commercialization of your inventions soon seems to be very important!

  • Giuseppe

    Da non pubblicare:
    Andrea, guardati da loro, gli interessi economici e politici sono enormi ed anche più!
    Cordialmente, Giuseppe

  • Andrea Rossi

    James Rice:
    You are right, the new Navy patent is mere plagiarism, and our attorneys are already working on this issue, but this fact has a positive aspect: the US Navy has copied my patent and made an application that is a copy of it: isn’t this intrinsecally a very strong recognition of the validity of my patent ?
    Yes, it is, by all means. Only there is a difference: they are convinced that the effect works for nuclear reasons, and cite LENR, while my theoretical approach is different, and I do not think there are nuclear reactions and my theory has been described in
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
    Anyway,I did not patent a process or a theory, I patented an apparatus, and what they made has been copy my patent and replicate my effect. Surely they made, or, better, are trying to make, a breach of intellectual property. The deep intellectual dishonesty has been put in evidence from the fact that they did not cite my patent in the research of prior art, that every honest inventor makes when he applies for a patent application.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gerard McEk:
    You are right. Our attorneys are already working on it. But, still, it is intrinsecally an intependent third party replication !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    Dear Andrea,
    I’m a bit confused about your answer to Frank Ackland, where you say that the patent of the US Navy ‘…is an independent third party replication’. To me it looks more like plagiarism: They try to get a patent for a process that you in essence developed. The only tiny difference is the trigger mechanism they do it chemically and you did it using a heating element. Both work because heat causes the start the LENR reaction.
    Further I doubt that they have ever really tried this, because the do not claim any actual evidence of the resulting LENR heat production. (How much Joules were produced? How long did it last? What was the type of LENR reaction? etc.) To me it looks also that the control mechanism (by extracting heat) is not very stable.
    I know you are many steps beyond the HotCat phase and it is your patent. Wouldn’t you inform the Patent Office of your concerns?
    Just worrying…
    Kind regards, Gerard

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