Would it be possible to incorporate and link in a suitable battery with your Ecat SKLed, such that it would not need an external supply to operate other than switching it on?
if you, as a physicist, look at your theory and then put yourself in the position of a layman, could the Ecat SKL also be called an ambient energy converter?
This against the background that there is no “used” material in the sense of a waste product and yet the second law of thermodynamics is not violated.
@ Brice
Thank you for your comprehensive reply and analysis. There may be not much more to say as it will only be speculation as long as a real SKLed is not available for analysis. I found it interesting to do an Excel sheet exercise from the 10,000 lm and 60 beam angle that was given in the Leonardo ordering specification, as Lumen/m2 is Lux and Lux to photon energy and photon flux density to W/m2 is common grow light calculation, finally arriving at a speculative COP which was exiting as no COP number had been mentioned earlier. I think we all are exited about learning more about the SKLed lamp as well as Andreas other amazing inventions.
Kind regards,
Calle H
Hello dear Andrea Rossi
I just realized that the Nobel Prizes will be awarded in Stockholm on December 10th.
And December 9th is already a great stage for the e-cat performances.
Heinz Sause wishes you good, good luck
Thank you for your comments in the posts on October 6. Mats Lewan’s assumption is as likely as the conversion of plasma-UV with phosphors into visible light. I would rather prefer the latter because Rossi told it was a kind of new concept. On the other hand, all phosphors would leak some UV while Rossi’s SKLed is UV-free (maybe a built-in UV-blocker?). In both cases there are phosphors used, blue light with a well known efficient yellow phosphor (Lewan) or UV-light with phosphors to downconvert it into visual light (blue+yellow or red+green+blue or red+cyan (unlikely))..
I thought that Rossi once told that his SKLed produced more than 220 lm/W, while regular 100 W LEDs give 100 lumen/W). When a 2W-reactor generates 16 watt (COP 8) which gives us 10000 lumen, then it means that it produces 625 lm/W, this could fit well in this theory.
Calle H, if Rossi calculated a COP of 8 starting from 3.9 W total consumption (in reply to your question on Sept. 7), then it would be very high, because one SKLed already dissipates 2 W heat, meaning the other 2 W is solely responsible to produce 32 W of light, in fact a COP of 16! Knowing that one reactor can drive up to 100 SKLed’s then it would mean a COP of almost 32. I’m not sure that the dissipated heat comes from the LEDs, I thought it came from the reactor electronics. But more important is that as good as all radiated light (16 – 32 Watt) will finally be absorbed into heat and this means that not the SKLeds are heating the room but the emitted light from them! So, imagine 100 SKLeds radiating 1600 or maybe 3200 Watt can indeed heat a room (depending on size, insulation, temperature…). Correct me if I’m wrong.
Some people speak about lumen, lux, luminous flux etc… in my opinion this is important for our visual system and for LED-light but not relevant for the calculation of light into heat. They are all linked to the eye sensitivity of the human eye and can’t tell how much Watt it represents. I mean our eyes are not so sensitive to deep blue light (+/- 400nm is probably much less than 1% eye sensitivity) while this blue light is very energetic. Also UV-light and even X-rays are even more energetic (Watt), but lumen, lux, luminous flux is zero because we can’t see UV or X-ray. If we want to know the heat that light can produce when being absorbed by matter, it is just Watt that counts (can be checked when measuring a full spectrum with a radiometer). That’s how I think it works.
Based on your response to my last question, I have to conclude that your E-Cat SKLed contains at least two major technical breakthroughs which you expect to manufacture in high volume at low cost.
The first breakthrough is an E-Cat reactor system with an electrical output of greater than 14 watts for an input of 4 watts. The second breakthrough is an LED array that converts the electrical output to 10000 Lumens of white light while in combination with the E-Cat reactor dissipates less than 2 watts of waste heat.
At first I found it hard to believe that you and your team could make two major breakthroughs in such a short period of time, but then I realized that you have partners and that one of those partners might have independently developed a high efficiency LED light source. During the past 20 years research into creating low cost high efficiency LED arrays has been on going. Perhaps the E-Cat SKLed is a result of the combination of your E-Cat and a partners LED technologies.
Question
Is my hypothesis that a partner provided advanced LED technology correct?
Egr. Dott. Rossi
Secondo me le sigle Ecat SKL, SKLed ecc. creano confusione
Non sarebbe meglio chiamarle Ecat Leonardo, Ecat Led, ecc.?
Sono in ansia, ancora due mesi…
Buon lavoro
English:
I think the names SKLed and SKL generate confusion: why don’t you choose something like Ecat Leonardo, Ecat Led or something ?
Xavier Pitz:
Thank you for your insight.
Answers:
1. Maybe
2. We will give the available information about the status quo during the presentation
Warm regards,
A.R.
I stand to conclude that the harvesting of pure electrical power from the E-cat principle is the foundation of all your future plans. The provision of a very cheap source of electrical power has been the holy grail of mankind since the first power station.
The SK-Led lamp is in itself and of itself an electrical power station fully biased to produce pure light. I am going out on a limb here, and conclude that you are now designing/experimenting/commissioning a prototype of an electrical generator in the kW range. Then it will be an array of such generators which being integrated will have power in the MW range.
From that very cheap electrical power we, the people, will have the electrical power equivalent of what the late Sir Clive Sinclair had arrived at, personal computer power, which IBM then were the first to commercialise together with Bill Gates who filled in the personal computer with data processing languages.
We are now 2 months away from the demo, and I am very impatient to see it.
I hope that it will clarify the following question that I ask myself since the announcement from the existence of the E-Cat SKLed :
–> Is there really a LED / LED array in the E-Cat SKLed ?
Personally I don’t think so. At least not for the moment.
@Dan : Your last comment about the E-Cat SKLed describes it as being composed from 2 parts :
The reactor generating the energy –> the LED array using it to convert it to light.
I think that the light being generated by the E-Cat SKLed is actually the one that directly comes out from the plasma contained in the reactor and then being diffused through some lenses.
The same kind of light that we see here : (Ecat SK demonstration YouTube video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw_oa8MvdQk
This could explain not only why the light coming out from it is polarized but also why the E-Cat SKLed is such a “simple” device compared to the SKL. (I put “simple” here between quotes because everything is relative)
The SKL on the other hand, must be a much more complex device because generating electricity or extracting it/converting it from polarized light or from the plasma probably needs extra components.
I think that the E-Cat SKL embeds a SKLed, and that it isn’t the other way around.
That’s also probably why the SKLed was announced first and after further development from the required additional components, Andrea feels comfortable to showcase the SKL in the next demo.
@Andrea : Some questions :
1. Without revealing it now (let the suspense be until the demo), will this be clarified on the 9. December ?
2. Since you announced that the SKL will be also be demonstrated, can you tell us more about the latest improvements (if any) that have been made to it during the last 3 months or share any kind of other progress that may keep us “hooked” while waiting patiently until the demo ?
As I understand it, the E-Cat SKLed has two novel components. The first is a small E-Cat reactor system that outputs more electrical energy than is required to maintain its operation. The second is an LED array that is driven by the electrical output of the E-Cat reactor. Since the E-Cat SKLed light as a whole dissipates very little heat both the E-Cat reactor and the LED array are highly efficient from an energy standpoint. With a 4 watt input the E-Cat SKLed outputs 10000 lumens of white light while dissipating about 2 watts of heat. I know that the lamp’s performance is specified in lumens, but a white light of 10000 lumens has a power of at least 14 watts (10000/683).
A. Will the E-Cat SKLed certification allow Leonardo Corporation to have the E-Cat SKLed components mounted within alternative lamp / light fixture housing designs?
B. Will the E-Cat SKLed certification preclude operation of the E-Cat SKLed components within a closed non-vented housing having no optical output opening?
Some people have shown interest in placing multiple E-Cat SKLed’s within a box to act as a heater, on the basis that energy released must eventually be dissipated through the surface as heat. Perhaps a demonstrator can be produced to show more energy out of an E-Cat SKLed than inputted, measured by emission of heat. Individual E-Cat SKLed components enclosed within a sealed cube, say of aluminium, the cube sized on the basis that all heat is conducted then dissipated through one face, this will allow for a cube to be positioned on an insulated surface and multiple cubes then arranged contacting each other side by side in an array with exposed top faces, the cubes can be designed to be electrically connected together via contacts, sockets or other interfaces built into the cube sides, perhaps multiple cubes (blue?) operated by one controller, heat from the grouped upper surface may then be significant and can be measured then compared with energy inputted.
Perhaps there can be developed E-Cat heating cubes or flatter E-Cat heating panel modules (in whatever geometric flat shape that can tile together) that can be arrayed together via electrical interfaces, then electrically driven with a single controller. Array of panels on a floor with a carpet cover > underfloor heating, a few with a cushion on top for a heated seat, a larger array with a cushioned topper for a heated bed surface, arrayed on the wall of a room, wide and low or narrow and tall depending on shape of available space, small or large quantities arrayed depending on the room heating requirement. Maybe with good ingress protection the heating modules can be used in a bathroom, sauna or even a greenhouse (some greenhouse lights are rated at IP67). Maybe module dimensions chosen to be compatible with existing wall heater standard dimensions, mass production of a standardised module size dimensioned to maximize utilization within any shape or size of room.
E-Cat lighting is a start, E-Cat electricity production can be used for just about anything, but the dedicated production of heat is a desirable commodity. A large part of the gas consumed by northern countries during a cold winter is for heating, with current gas price and availability many people will struggle to heat houses beyond freezing never mind the luxury of heating every room in a house to a comfortable temperature.
Dear Dr Rossi,
I am designing an application for the SKLed lamps I have ordered. I will have lamps installed in a compartment with poor air circulation. I am concerned about heat release that may cause a temperature rise in the compartment. Is it possible to get the lamps heat data now or do I have to measure this when I have the lamps in hand.
Kind regards,
Calle H
Dear Dr Rossi,
Here are the statistics of your publication on Researchgate I found in your profile here: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Readings: 76012 ( of which 69874 only for “E-Cat SK and Long Range Particle Interactions” )
Total Research Interest index: 1544
Citations: 27
Reccomendations: 5847
and counting…
Prof
Dear Andrea,
have you made any progress in the area of consumption in the E-Cat SKL reactor? Are we getting closer to extended replacement cycles or even more or less endless operation?
Kind regards, Wilfried
Dear Andrea,
Would it be possible to incorporate and link in a suitable battery with your Ecat SKLed, such that it would not need an external supply to operate other than switching it on?
Warm Regards, Richard Wells.
Dear Andrea,
if you, as a physicist, look at your theory and then put yourself in the position of a layman, could the Ecat SKL also be called an ambient energy converter?
This against the background that there is no “used” material in the sense of a waste product and yet the second law of thermodynamics is not violated.
Kind regards,
Wilfried
Rod Walton:
Thank you for the update,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
On Power Engineering issue of October 12th 2021:
California backup plan for energy crisis is tens of thousands of Diesel-fueled generators.
Rod Walton
Anonymous:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Is it confirmed that you will show the Ecat SKLed and the SKL on December 9th ?
gregha:
I am positive about that.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
OK, what is your opinion of whether you will meet the SKLed pre-order goal?
Heinz Sause:
Thank you for your kind wishes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
gregha:
Confidential. We will give information only when the target of 1 million units sold will be reached,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@ Brice
Thank you for your comprehensive reply and analysis. There may be not much more to say as it will only be speculation as long as a real SKLed is not available for analysis. I found it interesting to do an Excel sheet exercise from the 10,000 lm and 60 beam angle that was given in the Leonardo ordering specification, as Lumen/m2 is Lux and Lux to photon energy and photon flux density to W/m2 is common grow light calculation, finally arriving at a speculative COP which was exiting as no COP number had been mentioned earlier. I think we all are exited about learning more about the SKLed lamp as well as Andreas other amazing inventions.
Kind regards,
Calle H
What is the current count of pre-orders for the SKLed?
Hello dear Andrea Rossi
I just realized that the Nobel Prizes will be awarded in Stockholm on December 10th.
And December 9th is already a great stage for the e-cat performances.
Heinz Sause wishes you good, good luck
@ Gerard McEk
@ Calle H
Thank you for your comments in the posts on October 6. Mats Lewan’s assumption is as likely as the conversion of plasma-UV with phosphors into visible light. I would rather prefer the latter because Rossi told it was a kind of new concept. On the other hand, all phosphors would leak some UV while Rossi’s SKLed is UV-free (maybe a built-in UV-blocker?). In both cases there are phosphors used, blue light with a well known efficient yellow phosphor (Lewan) or UV-light with phosphors to downconvert it into visual light (blue+yellow or red+green+blue or red+cyan (unlikely))..
I thought that Rossi once told that his SKLed produced more than 220 lm/W, while regular 100 W LEDs give 100 lumen/W). When a 2W-reactor generates 16 watt (COP 8) which gives us 10000 lumen, then it means that it produces 625 lm/W, this could fit well in this theory.
Calle H, if Rossi calculated a COP of 8 starting from 3.9 W total consumption (in reply to your question on Sept. 7), then it would be very high, because one SKLed already dissipates 2 W heat, meaning the other 2 W is solely responsible to produce 32 W of light, in fact a COP of 16! Knowing that one reactor can drive up to 100 SKLed’s then it would mean a COP of almost 32. I’m not sure that the dissipated heat comes from the LEDs, I thought it came from the reactor electronics. But more important is that as good as all radiated light (16 – 32 Watt) will finally be absorbed into heat and this means that not the SKLeds are heating the room but the emitted light from them! So, imagine 100 SKLeds radiating 1600 or maybe 3200 Watt can indeed heat a room (depending on size, insulation, temperature…). Correct me if I’m wrong.
Some people speak about lumen, lux, luminous flux etc… in my opinion this is important for our visual system and for LED-light but not relevant for the calculation of light into heat. They are all linked to the eye sensitivity of the human eye and can’t tell how much Watt it represents. I mean our eyes are not so sensitive to deep blue light (+/- 400nm is probably much less than 1% eye sensitivity) while this blue light is very energetic. Also UV-light and even X-rays are even more energetic (Watt), but lumen, lux, luminous flux is zero because we can’t see UV or X-ray. If we want to know the heat that light can produce when being absorbed by matter, it is just Watt that counts (can be checked when measuring a full spectrum with a radiometer). That’s how I think it works.
With kind regards,
Brice
Thanks to Chuck Davis and Mike Phalen, I reported the error to the petition holder … I hope He can change the date!
Warm regards,
Caesar
Dan Galburt:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Rossi,
Based on your response to my last question, I have to conclude that your E-Cat SKLed contains at least two major technical breakthroughs which you expect to manufacture in high volume at low cost.
The first breakthrough is an E-Cat reactor system with an electrical output of greater than 14 watts for an input of 4 watts. The second breakthrough is an LED array that converts the electrical output to 10000 Lumens of white light while in combination with the E-Cat reactor dissipates less than 2 watts of waste heat.
At first I found it hard to believe that you and your team could make two major breakthroughs in such a short period of time, but then I realized that you have partners and that one of those partners might have independently developed a high efficiency LED light source. During the past 20 years research into creating low cost high efficiency LED arrays has been on going. Perhaps the E-Cat SKLed is a result of the combination of your E-Cat and a partners LED technologies.
Question
Is my hypothesis that a partner provided advanced LED technology correct?
Warm Regards,
Dan Galburt
Gavino Mamia:
Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Egr. Dott. Rossi
Secondo me le sigle Ecat SKL, SKLed ecc. creano confusione
Non sarebbe meglio chiamarle Ecat Leonardo, Ecat Led, ecc.?
Sono in ansia, ancora due mesi…
Buon lavoro
English:
I think the names SKLed and SKL generate confusion: why don’t you choose something like Ecat Leonardo, Ecat Led or something ?
Chuck Davis:
Gotta work.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
This bad news will serve as a catalyst in the dispersion of the Ecat!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/gas-prices-rise-electricity-bills-b1935122.html
Warm regards,
Chuck Davis
Xavier Pitz:
Thank you for your insight.
Answers:
1. Maybe
2. We will give the available information about the status quo during the presentation
Warm regards,
A.R.
Albert Ellul:
Thank you for your kind attention to the work of our Team,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I stand to conclude that the harvesting of pure electrical power from the E-cat principle is the foundation of all your future plans. The provision of a very cheap source of electrical power has been the holy grail of mankind since the first power station.
The SK-Led lamp is in itself and of itself an electrical power station fully biased to produce pure light. I am going out on a limb here, and conclude that you are now designing/experimenting/commissioning a prototype of an electrical generator in the kW range. Then it will be an array of such generators which being integrated will have power in the MW range.
From that very cheap electrical power we, the people, will have the electrical power equivalent of what the late Sir Clive Sinclair had arrived at, personal computer power, which IBM then were the first to commercialise together with Bill Gates who filled in the personal computer with data processing languages.
Dear Andrea, dear Dan,
We are now 2 months away from the demo, and I am very impatient to see it.
I hope that it will clarify the following question that I ask myself since the announcement from the existence of the E-Cat SKLed :
–> Is there really a LED / LED array in the E-Cat SKLed ?
Personally I don’t think so. At least not for the moment.
@Dan : Your last comment about the E-Cat SKLed describes it as being composed from 2 parts :
The reactor generating the energy –> the LED array using it to convert it to light.
I think that the light being generated by the E-Cat SKLed is actually the one that directly comes out from the plasma contained in the reactor and then being diffused through some lenses.
The same kind of light that we see here : (Ecat SK demonstration YouTube video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw_oa8MvdQk
This could explain not only why the light coming out from it is polarized but also why the E-Cat SKLed is such a “simple” device compared to the SKL. (I put “simple” here between quotes because everything is relative)
The SKL on the other hand, must be a much more complex device because generating electricity or extracting it/converting it from polarized light or from the plasma probably needs extra components.
I think that the E-Cat SKL embeds a SKLed, and that it isn’t the other way around.
That’s also probably why the SKLed was announced first and after further development from the required additional components, Andrea feels comfortable to showcase the SKL in the next demo.
@Andrea : Some questions :
1. Without revealing it now (let the suspense be until the demo), will this be clarified on the 9. December ?
2. Since you announced that the SKL will be also be demonstrated, can you tell us more about the latest improvements (if any) that have been made to it during the last 3 months or share any kind of other progress that may keep us “hooked” while waiting patiently until the demo ?
Best Regards,
Xavier Pitz
Dan Galburt:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Sam:
Thank you for the link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Rossi,
As I understand it, the E-Cat SKLed has two novel components. The first is a small E-Cat reactor system that outputs more electrical energy than is required to maintain its operation. The second is an LED array that is driven by the electrical output of the E-Cat reactor. Since the E-Cat SKLed light as a whole dissipates very little heat both the E-Cat reactor and the LED array are highly efficient from an energy standpoint. With a 4 watt input the E-Cat SKLed outputs 10000 lumens of white light while dissipating about 2 watts of heat. I know that the lamp’s performance is specified in lumens, but a white light of 10000 lumens has a power of at least 14 watts (10000/683).
Questions
Is my understanding correct?
Warm Regards,
Dan Galburt
Hello DR Rossi
An interesting article involving
LED.
https://www.wired.com/story/you-can-measure-this-fundamental-quantum-constant-using-leds/
Regards
Sam
KeithT:
Thank you for your insight and suggestions.
Answers:
A. Yes
B. No
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Chuck Davis:
Thank you for the link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Mike Phalen:
He,he,he…thank you !
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@ cesare
The Petition has the wrong date. It should be December 9, 2021
http://chng.it/5n765Q9k6c
Hi Dr. Rossi,
I watched your favorite movie “The Concert” last night. Wow! interesting story. The main actor Andrei could easily pass as your brother.
Dear Andrea,
Isn’t this the perfect opportunity to expedite acceptance of the Ecatsk by helping china get rid of coal?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/9ca7a137-8fe6-3b73-bd2b-ea94c21a9ded/china-orders-coal-mines-to.html
Warm regards,
Chuck Davis
Cesare,
The petition has the old date of 25 november for the presentation and should be updated.
Warm regards,
Chuck Davis
Dear Andrea,
A. Will the E-Cat SKLed certification allow Leonardo Corporation to have the E-Cat SKLed components mounted within alternative lamp / light fixture housing designs?
B. Will the E-Cat SKLed certification preclude operation of the E-Cat SKLed components within a closed non-vented housing having no optical output opening?
Some people have shown interest in placing multiple E-Cat SKLed’s within a box to act as a heater, on the basis that energy released must eventually be dissipated through the surface as heat. Perhaps a demonstrator can be produced to show more energy out of an E-Cat SKLed than inputted, measured by emission of heat. Individual E-Cat SKLed components enclosed within a sealed cube, say of aluminium, the cube sized on the basis that all heat is conducted then dissipated through one face, this will allow for a cube to be positioned on an insulated surface and multiple cubes then arranged contacting each other side by side in an array with exposed top faces, the cubes can be designed to be electrically connected together via contacts, sockets or other interfaces built into the cube sides, perhaps multiple cubes (blue?) operated by one controller, heat from the grouped upper surface may then be significant and can be measured then compared with energy inputted.
Perhaps there can be developed E-Cat heating cubes or flatter E-Cat heating panel modules (in whatever geometric flat shape that can tile together) that can be arrayed together via electrical interfaces, then electrically driven with a single controller. Array of panels on a floor with a carpet cover > underfloor heating, a few with a cushion on top for a heated seat, a larger array with a cushioned topper for a heated bed surface, arrayed on the wall of a room, wide and low or narrow and tall depending on shape of available space, small or large quantities arrayed depending on the room heating requirement. Maybe with good ingress protection the heating modules can be used in a bathroom, sauna or even a greenhouse (some greenhouse lights are rated at IP67). Maybe module dimensions chosen to be compatible with existing wall heater standard dimensions, mass production of a standardised module size dimensioned to maximize utilization within any shape or size of room.
E-Cat lighting is a start, E-Cat electricity production can be used for just about anything, but the dedicated production of heat is a desirable commodity. A large part of the gas consumed by northern countries during a cold winter is for heating, with current gas price and availability many people will struggle to heat houses beyond freezing never mind the luxury of heating every room in a house to a comfortable temperature.
Regards,
Keith Thomson.
Those who have not yet signed the petition proposed by our friend GianLuca – please – can you sign it?
This is the link:
http://chng.it/5n765Q9k6c
Calle H:
The lamps SKLed do emit a very low heat. Shouldn’t be a problem.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Rossi,
I am designing an application for the SKLed lamps I have ordered. I will have lamps installed in a compartment with poor air circulation. I am concerned about heat release that may cause a temperature rise in the compartment. Is it possible to get the lamps heat data now or do I have to measure this when I have the lamps in hand.
Kind regards,
Calle H
Prof:
Thank you for the update,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Rossi,
Here are the statistics of your publication on Researchgate I found in your profile here:
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Readings: 76012 ( of which 69874 only for “E-Cat SK and Long Range Particle Interactions” )
Total Research Interest index: 1544
Citations: 27
Reccomendations: 5847
and counting…
Prof
Wilfried Babelotzky:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
have you made any progress in the area of consumption in the E-Cat SKL reactor? Are we getting closer to extended replacement cycles or even more or less endless operation?
Kind regards, Wilfried
P:
I can’t answer,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Sam:
Thank you for the link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Italo R.:
Not yet,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
gregha:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Iggy Dalrymple:
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Chuck Davis:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.