United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

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  • Andrea Rossi

    Gregory Daigle:
    Now I must say you are right,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Dr. Rossi,

    Here is an article regarding the tax credit of $35 per kilowatt hour (kWh) for each U.S.-produced battery cell. That’s 35% of today’s average cost of producing a battery cell.
    https://www.axios.com/2022/08/17/electric-cars-vehicles-batteries-battery-belt-biden

    Warm regards,
    Greg

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gregory Daigle:
    I am sure your numbers are wrong. A tax credit of 35 $/kWh would be obscene. Anyway I ‘d like to know better the issue.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Manfred:
    Thank you for your opinion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Thomas Conover:
    2022 ?
    I don’t know; later ? I don’t know
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Thomas Conover

    The reason why we do not sell yet the Ecats has been already explained: we will start the distribution of our product when we will have reached orders for at least 1 million units, to avoid reverse engineering before reaching a financial retribution satisfying our investors.
    We are resolving the problem, though.

    Dear Andrea,
    2023, 2024, 2025?
    Warm regards,
    Tom

  • Manfred

    Dear Dr Rossi

    I follow up on the proposal to put a working Ecat in a continuous video stream with input and output power recording to underline some good reasons to set one up ASAP.

    Investing on Ecats can be compared to investing on a PV system. It’s not by chance, I guess, that they are priced in a similar cost bracket, i.e. 1500$/kW, which for a 5kW system like the PV system I own makes 7500$.

    My PV panels, however, are well known and guaranteed to work for decades with a certain acceptable level of performance degradation, while there is no visibility on the real durability of the Ecat up to now, or about its speed of degradation, if any.

    A long term on-line video with power recording could provide a higher degree of confidence, although of course not about the guaranteed 100.000 hours, at least it could quickly get into the thousands hours, that would prove a minimum level of return of investment even if it were to break an hour later.

    A single Ecat connected to a 100w incandescence lamp would constitute a good example of such a test.

    Another thing I would like to see proof of, however, would be the series/parallel capability, so a test with a more demanding machine, like an air conditioner/heat pump powered by a bunch of Ecats, would be an even better possibility for a long term test, constituting also a real application of practical interest.

    After a couple of months of such a demonstration I’d certainly put in an order for at least 2kW of Ecats to complement my PVs, particularly at night and in winter, as it would cost less than adding a large battery.

    I would however still be concerned with the practicality and reliability of having many small, probably cheap inverters, or is your price for multiple units including a single, higher power inverter? Can you share some more details on this part of the package (i.e. inverter type and model for each power level) since inverters are the weak link even of PV installations (10 yr vs 25 year warranty)?

    Also, how would Ecat output blend in with an existing PV installation? Could it be used as an input to the existing inverter in parallel to the PV DC lines, thus doing away with the above mentioned multiple inverters?

    Best regards

    Manfred

  • Dr. Rossi,

    Under the recently signed Inflation Reduction Act, the government will provide a tax credit of $35/kWh for each U.S.-produced battery cell. There is also a $10/kWh tax credit for U.S. produced battery modules – groups of cells bundled together that fit inside a battery pack.

    1. Have you considered registering your firm as a U.S.-based battery supplier or non-Li-ion/Li-ion battery manufacturer to take advantage of the first tax credit?

    2. Have you considered producing battery modules that incorporate your technology to qualify for the second tax credit?

    3. Have you decided to pursue either option?

    Warm regards,
    Greg

  • Andrea Rossi

    Paul Roder:
    Good point.
    We did not yet sell any Ecat SKLep, so we cannot give any reference. The reason why we do not sell yet the Ecats has been already explained: we will start the distribution of our product when we will have reached orders for at least 1 million units, to avoid reverse engineering before reaching a financial retribution satisfying our investors.
    We are resolving the problem, though.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Paul Roder

    Congratulations Mr. Rossi for your great progress. For people to be comfortable making large orders, I assume they are asking for references. Do you have any references you share with potential customers? I haven’t seen anyone yet vouch for you publically in many years.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Sam:
    Thank you for the link,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Darko:
    Thank you for the suggestion, but it does not resolve the problem, because still I could not account for hypothetical sales of units, I would count only a single batch, e.g. of 200 units, the sole for which the payment is guaranteed. I can’t start the manufactirung until orders for 1 million units are guaranteed to be paid for.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mladen:
    You are welcome,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Darko

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    Have you considered manufacturing and delivering SKLeps to big buyers in batches? A batch could contain, for example, 200 units. Units for each new batch would be manufactured only after a big buyer has paid for the previous one. In that way you would avoid the risk of ending up with a lot of unsold units (i.e. bankrupcy).
    Best regards,
    D.

  • mladen

    Thank you very much Mr. Andrea!
    I appreciate!

    Best regards,

    Mladen

  • Andrea Rossi

    Yuri:
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Yuri

    Dear Andrea,
    Are you still convinced that the zero point energy is the primary source that powers the Ecat ?
    Best,
    Yuri

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mladen:
    From the formula W = A*V, if W = 100 and V = 12, A = 100/12
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • mladen

    Gentile Sig. Rossi,

    Ho pre-ordinato 5 SKLep.

    Per favore, è possibile esprimere in ampere la potenza di un singolo modulo?

    Se invece sono collegati fra di loro cambia qualcosa?

    Grazie mille!

    Migliori saluti,

    Mladen Matula

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto:
    ENI bought my technology in the year 1980 by their division “Agip Nucleare”, so they have the right to use it,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Roberto

    Dr Rossi,
    Also your patent of 1978 has been used by ENI to make liquid fuel from wastes…
    Best
    Roberto

  • Andrea Rossi

    Jorge:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Jorge

    Dr Rossi,
    About the reverse engineering made after the publication of your patents, like for example the cases of the last ICCF, look at this issue the other way: all the now innumerable copies of your technology made in all the world are veritable replications of your experiments and add value to your work: without your patents and your demonstrations since the year 2011 none of all these replications could be made, and at the same time they confirm the validity of your work.
    Happy Summer holidays,
    Jorge

  • Andrea Rossi

    To all our Italian Readers:
    Buon Ferragosto !
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    P. Gerner:
    Thank you for your opinion and suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • P.Gerner

    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    to your answer to Roberto:
    Lawyers and courts, also the reverse engineering, are costly for both sides. Would it possible to offer licences to companies/governments at a very low price so that the other way is unprofitable?
    I reckon your product will reach an amount of many billions of pieces anyways. One $/ecatSKL or maby even 10 ct/ecatSKL for each licence fee should be enough to earn billions $.
    Best regards
    Philipp

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto:
    The reverse engineering will be unavoidable.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Roberto

    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    Your worry of reverse engineering has solid bases: your former technology covered by the patent US 9,115,913 B1 issued on August 25 2015 has been copied around the world by experiments made also at the highest echelons of technology, like the US DOD, NASA, and innumerable R&D sites around the world. It is not difficult to imagine what will happen as soon as the Ecat SKLep will be put in commerce. Considering the enormous costs to defend in many Courts around the world your patent, your rationale of the necessity to reach orders for at least one million units is logic.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Jean Pierre:
    Good question.
    That plant needs too much direct attention from us to be put freely in the market, but from it we are getting technological information.
    The SKLep technology is the one that can be put in the market without necessity of our direct control, this is why we are focusing on it.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Jean Pierre

    Dear Andrea.
    I am intrigued to know what has transpired with the wonderful SK heat- producing E-Cat which was said to be operating in one or more industrial sites in the past. This device, sited at the customer’s factory, was purported to be under control from Leonardo and via an almost impossible- to- hack, dedicated server.

    The customer had limited control, but any large changes had to be applied for over this dedicated line. They just paid for the heat supplied.

    Although the thought of heating anything at this time seems inappropriate, nevertheless many heavy industries require massive amounts of heat for their productions all year round. Households need it mostly during cold spells

    So, after some years have passed it would now seem interesting to have an update, since any initial problems would have been solved by now. We would appreciated such an update at this time. Many thanks in anticipation.

    AS far as large- scale heating is concerned I would have thought that the SK would be a more sensible option than the SKL?

    Your conclusions on this previous project?

    Continued kind thoughts as usual. Jean Pierre

  • Andrea Rossi

    Julian:
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Julian

    Hi Andrea,
    Are you still convinced that the theoretical system explained on
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
    is the right base for to understand the operation of the Ecat ?
    Best,
    Julian

  • Andrea Rossi

    Wolfgang Traupe:
    The price includes the control system,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Wolfgang Traupe

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    I have preordered 30 SKLEP. I would like to know how many controllers do I need if I want to operate the ECats for example in three groups and will this increase the price?
    Thanks in advance and Best Regards
    Wolfgang Traupe

  • Andrea Rossi

    Bob Fast:
    It should be possible,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Jean Paul Renoir:
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    J.M.:
    What I can say is that or the Ecat SKLep we spent 22000 $
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • j.m.

    Dr Rossi,
    Can you say how much costs a safety certification ?

  • Jean Paul Renoir

    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
    Do you think that sooner or later the Ecat SKLep can be fueled by a battery in SSM mode ?
    Thanks if you can answer,
    Best
    JPR

  • Bob Fast

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I own a vacation home in addition to my primary residence. When I am at my vacation home, i use minimal electricity at my primary home and vice versa. If I were to purchase say 10 Ecat SKLeps, could they be put in a portable container to “plug in” at whichever home I am living at the time?

    Thank You,
    Bob Fast

  • Andrea Rossi

    Bernie Morrissey:
    No,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels,
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    While examples of potential Ecat SKLep applications abound, I suggest the best application would be where continuous power is needed for relatively long durations. A single SKLep unit is characterized, as I understand it, as an output of 100W electrical, and a lifetime of 100,000 operating hours. While Electric vehicles (EVs) are interesting, they generally use power occasionally, spending most of the time parked.

    While the SKLep units can be combined in series or in parallel, I would suggest that the large industrial uses would likely be better satisfied by the 1kW output larger variant, if it comes to be.

    One possible application for a single (or few) 100W SKLep unit(s) would be electric sign powering. A neon sign requires about 20W of electrical power per foot of display. Likewise, an LED display requires about 1 – 2 W per foot of display (more for area displays). These signs are typically illuminated at businesses all day long during business hours or they will be on continuously. A unit that accepts 1W of electrical input power and provides 100W of electrical output power to run signs might make economic sense.

  • Bernie Morrissey

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I was wondering if an Ecat SKLep was integrated with an electric heater and used only in the winter. Would the long time between use be detrimental?

    Thank you
    Bernie Morrissey

  • Martyn Aubrey

    Using a Petrol-Electric Hybrid Car with Supplemental Ecat Electrical Battery Charging Support:

    Dear Steven Nicholes Karels,

    Hi Steven, it has been very interesting reading your recent thoughts about using Ecats to charge an electric vehicle, all of which are quite valid.

    I would say though, that a production EV already exists which can be charged up whilst in motion, and does not have any form of external electric charging connection.

    In fact I own one myself and have been driving it for almost five years. It is a 2017 model Toyota Yaris petrol-electric hybrid, referred to by Toyota as a “Self Charging Hybrid”.

    The catch is, of course, that the vehicle does use a petrol engine to provide the electric charge to the battery to power the 45kW AC Electric Motor.

    The important point here is that Full Hybrid Electric Vehicles, such as the Yaris, could easily be used as the basis for testing the concept of an Ecat powered EV.

    The electricity is stored in a moderately sized 0.9kwh drive battery with more charge also being derived from regenerative breaking. The battery is even further charged by electricity generated by the cars forward momentum when it is cruising down any slight slope at a moderate speed.

    During normal driving, when the car has already been brought up to speed by the petrol engine, the electric motor can power the vehicle for short distances at up to 40mph. Any acceleration or incline however will require immediate petrol engine power, or a combination of both petrol and electric power.

    The main advantage of hybrid EVs is the excellent fuel efficiency and the reduction in exhaust fumes when travelling in urban stop-start traffic conditions. This performance would be further improved with the assistance of Ecat powered electricity. At low speeds the petrol engine is only active when the battery charge is low and the petrol engine then has to cut in to provide drive power and to recharge the depleted drive battery.

    Full EV mode is available by pressing a button, but even with a fully charged drive battery there is normally only sufficient charge to travel a very short distance. The addition of Ecat generated electricity would greatly extend the EV mode travel range, and it would be interesting to see at what point the car would have to default to the petrol-with-electric-assist mode of power.

    An Ecat electric output connection to the vehicle’s system could probably be achieved by linking the Ecat power (12 x 12VDC Ecats) in parallel with the 144VDC NiMH battery pack, subject to not confusing the BMS sensors monitoring the battery charge state and temperature. It may also be possible to use the conventional 12VDC auxiliary battery to power the Ecats.

    My suggestion for assisting an existing Petrol-Electric Hybrid EV with Ecat powered electric charging may not provide a completely fossil fuel free solution, but it would greatly reduce the amount of conventional fuel used. Testing should also prove and that an Ecat powered EV is practical and may travel for a considerable distance on Ecat electricity alone, if only at lower speeds.

    The following official Toyota Emergency Response Guide shows detailed diagrams outlining the Hybrid Synergy Drive Component Locations & Descriptions, including the positions of major items such as the electric motor, the Inverter/Converter, Hybrid Vehicle (HV) Battery Pack and cable routing:
    https://www.toyota-tech.eu/HYBRID/ERG/EN/Yaris_NHP130_erg.pdf

    Also, here is Toyota’s explanation of How a Toyota Hybrid Works:
    https://www.toyota.co.uk/hybrid

    The newer Yaris model from 2020 (with a Li-ion battery) has improved performance in EV mode, so it may provide an even better base for any Ecat powered test vehicle:
    Toyota Magazine reported “But one of the most immediately noticeable advancements is that the car’s all-electric EV capabilities have been transformed. It is now possible to drive in EV mode for much longer periods in urban traffic, and even maintain speeds of up to 80mph without assistance from the petrol engine.”:
    https://mag.toyota.co.uk/new-toyota-yaris-hybrid-powertrain/

    I acknowledge that any unofficially modified vehicle would not be permitted on public roads. However, an enhanced electric hybrid vehicle with auxiliary power provided by Ecats could be tested under workshop conditions and then on a private test track, maybe even by a major car manufacturer themselves.

    I hope this idea gives some food for thought.

    Kind Regards,
    Martyn

  • Andrea Rossi

    Daniel Badoual:
    I know, and it is very interesting.Thnk you for this proposal.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Daniel Badoual

    Hi there,
    Right now, many of you are wondering about integrating ECATs into an electric car.
    This is a proposal that I made some time ago by replacing part of the batteries with the ECAT system :
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/neLrPWsUu3UYj2ye6

    Here is another proposal from several years ago which was an ECAT kit installed in the front trunk of an existing car to recharge the batteries :
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/UsSD16odijdkZwA66

    Have a good day,
    Dan Bad

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    Thank you again for your suggestions,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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