United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

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  • Mary Hunt

    Dr Rossi and Rick 57,
    The trifle of current consumed by the Ecat SKLep is so tiny, that such oscillations are normal,
    Best
    M.H.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dr Joseph Fine:
    Thank you for your suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven N. Karels,
    Thank you for your insight, I cannot comment,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    After the latest demo and reading the various comments and history, this is my guess as to what is happening:

    1. The commercial power supply is set up to nominally output 10.0 VDC and it has a low output impedance.
    2, The input of the Mini-SKLep has a variable input resistance that remains high most of the time, but every few seconds, presents a low resistance to the power supply. A relatively high current, short duration (sub millisecond) pulse is sent from the power supply to the Mini-SKLep unit.
    3. The Mini-SKLep micro-processor (or equivalent) uses this current or power pulse to not only keep the Mini-SKLep internal electronics going but to also develop the dV/dt needed for the energy collection.
    4. The Space Charge issue or similar issue is accommodated and controlled by the power supply input AC neutral which is tied to the Grid ground.

    The effective COP is defined as the AVERAGE energy output divided by the AVERAGE energy input. So, this pulsed technique is proper under that COP definition.

    Thoughts?

  • Joseph Fine

    Dear Andrea Rossi:

    If a mini-SKLep ( 1 SKL-10 ) delivers up to 10 W or, similarly, if one SKLep ( SKL-100 ) delivers up to 100 W, is it possible for a SKL-10 unit to drive several 2nd-stage SKL-10 units or for one SKL-100 to drive several 2nd stage SKL-100 units. ( Note: COP may be > 100. ) Is this possibility being considered? And, under some situations, would you consider using an output nth-stage SKL-100 to feed power back to one of the inputs. (e.g. via a backup battery storage system). For example, if one unit is down for repair or replacement, can this feedback be used to allow continued use of e.g. 90 % of performance even if a number of smaller units are being serviced.

    I am not suggesting a method of obtaining something for nothing, since one must be respectful of demanding more from a miraculous source. Nevertheless, after several years, a large e.g. 1-100+ system will have a number of units in maintenance, and the demand for continuity of service will not be met if the entire system has to be shut down for several hours.

    Best regards,

    Joseph Fine

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rick 57:
    Good question.
    I am not able to answer. We will see in the next measurements the integral along a longer period of time.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mez:
    1- Yes, for all the day of yesterday and this morning we had a meeting with the team of an important Client, and I think the results should help an acceleration to reach our target
    2- about the supposed “-1 452.5 uA” script: actually, it was ” +/- 452.5 uA ”
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Rick 57

    Dear Andrea,

    on Nov 21 you provided the following answer:

    “We use a certified multimeter Peak Tech 3430 that has a high precision to the single microAmpère if the uA gate is chosen. The complete measurement is
    A = 0.000255 V= 10.0000 and it is stable.”

    In the last tests the current measured was around 450 microAmps, that is almost twice the value above.

    Can you explain if this variation is due to:

    a) eCat manufacturing tolerances
    b) actual operational time
    c) other reasons (please detail)

    Best Regards,

    Riccardo

  • Andrea Rossi

    Maico:
    We will repeat this operation many times,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Maico

    Dear Dr. Rossi
    unfortunately I was not able to see the live streaming of the “consumption” in Ampere of the Mini Sklep which powers a Led lamp of at least 1W. I am very curious to personally realize the wonderful reading of about 450 Micro Ampere 🙂 .
    Will you publish the recording of this test on your YouTube channel?

    thank you for your availability

    Regards Maico

  • Mez

    Dr Rossi
    I guessed you were showing an important visitor the demo mini SKLEP during the test yesterday. I hope this helps to bring the product to market more quickly

    Also I am confused by the meter display during the current consume test yesterday, i saw on the display
    -1 452.5 u A
    Could you tell me the meaning of the -1
    Thank you if you can answer
    Warm regards
    Mez

  • Andrea Rossi

    R. Brand:
    Electricity producer.
    Thank you for your suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • R.Brand

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    you mentioned a potential big buyer. Can you specify from which sector this buyer is? Cars, electricity producer, heating systems…?
    Please, however the result will be, invite youtube influencers to your office. It will be better than any expensive advertisments in newspapers.
    Best regards
    R.Brand

  • Andrea Rossi

    Louis Dufour:
    Thank you for your kind support. Today we had a meeting with a very important big buyer and I think that we are approaching the target.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto Ridolfi:
    Thank you for your kind attention, as always, to our job; yes, I was talking with a member of our Team, but we voluntarily muted the sound, to avoid the leaking of confidential considerations.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dear Readers:
    Today we made the periodic measurement of the Amperes of the current consumed by the Ecat SKLep subject to the live streaming on Youtube.
    As pre-announced, the measurements have been made at 11:30 a.m. Rome Time and 12:30 p.m. Miami Time.
    The result has been, as the viewers surely saw, 457.3 microAmperes at 11:30 and 452.3 at 12:30.
    When we make these measurements, whose goal is to read the value of the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh decimal of Ampere, we observe a reduction of the light of the lamp, for 2-3 seconds during which we make the measurements. This dimming effect is due to the fact that the Peakthech measures the amount of electricity that goes from the Power source to the Ecat and obviously it is put in series between the Ecat and the power source; since the amount of current to the Ecat is extremely low ( as we have seen microamperes ), the connection of the multimeter affects the circuits of the Ecat. This is not important to us, because the measurement takes 2 or 3 seconds, then we take off the multimeter from the circuit. Obviously the lamp turns completely off during the time when the circuit has to be opened to connect the multimeter in series and eventually to disconnect the multimeter and reconnect the original circuit.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Roberto Ridolfi

    Dr Rossi,
    Thank you for showing on Youtube today the measurement of the current: I watched both the measurements this morning and this afternoon.
    The value of 450 microamperes is very impressive, and no lamp in this world can emit that light with 450 millionth of amperes !
    Note: I saw you were talking with somebody ot the team that was helping you, but the voice was muted: why ?
    Best
    Roberto

  • Louis Dufour

    Dr Rossi:
    Kudos for your measuremtns we watched today in the live streaming on Youtube: 450 microA: 0.000450 A x 10 V = 0.00450 W
    Very, very important, Bravo !
    Do you have an idea about when you will reach the million units ordered target ?
    Cheers
    Louis

  • Andrea Rossi

    Germana:
    A troll is just a troll,
    his name worthless at all.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    P.S.
    I edited your comment cancelling the names

  • Germana

    @Mike Underwood,
    I totally agree with you.
    By the way,
    Dr Rossi: do you know that the name of the troll that put the disparaging question to the DOD is a nickname ? I know the real name, are you curious to know ?
    A big hug,
    Germana

  • Andrea Rossi

    Mike Underwood:
    Thank you for supporting the work of our Team,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Mike Underwood

    Dr Rossi,
    I watched the live stream video of the Ecat Sklep on Youtube: it is clean, clear and convincing.
    Even more convincing is the report of the US DOD linked under the video.
    Best
    Mike

  • Andrea Rossi

    Erasmo Bardelli:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rick 57,
    OK
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dr Guenter Stromburg,
    Thank you for your good will to help.
    Answer: no, because the lifespan does not depend on the solar time, but on the actual time of operation,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Carissimo Rodney Nicholson

    Detto tra noi in confidenza.
    In teoria se il problerma della massa che obbliga l’allacciamento alle rete viene risolto, si potrebbe disdire il contratto con il fornitore dell’elettricitĂ .
    Basta tasse e costi aggiuntivi sul comsumo elettrico.

    Non credo proprio, anzi, lo Stato metterĂ  una tassa sul Kw del nostro E-Cat installato. Tanto per recuperare.

    Tutto questo non oscura l’ottimo lavoro del Dott. Rossi,

  • Dr. Guenter Stromburg

    Guenter Stromburg

    Suggestion for improvement

    Dear Andrea,
    On your page https://tinyurl.com/22vwufaa
    for amateurs it would be better to indicate the expected lifetime also in days and especially in years.

    With all my very best wishes
    Guenter

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Rodney Nicholson,

    Since the current SKLep technology requires a connection to the Grid, you cannot go “off the Grid.”

    As you are looking at heating only, then I would suggest an SKLep unit that would drive each space heater. I would assume one or more space heaters for each room. Keeping the room comfortable and the need to keep pipes from freezing during the cold months. Each space heater might have a separate SKLep series of units to power that space heater. The series of SKLep units would be connected to am existing wall outlet and thus the Grid.

    The problem that you present is that the benefit of the SKLep power space heater is only used when it is cold. So, they would be used less or not at all during the summer months.

    You could still reduce your electricity consumption by computing the minimum daily use and providing SKLep electrical power to that level, as you will be charged the distribution cost anyways. Or, find out the maximum allowed energy to go back into the electrical Grid and design to that. The “Space Heater” concept would not push excess energy back into the Grid. So, maybe the two concepts could be used together – distributed SKLep-power space heaters, and an SKLep unit that would provide the allowed power?

    Other unmentioned usage is the water heater. If gas, eventually replace it with an electric water heater (when it wears out).

  • Rick 57

    Dear Andrea,
    during the tests on Dec 5th, will you measure also the return current on the black wire just to see they are identical ?
    All the best,
    Riccardo

  • Caro A. Rossi.
    Nel Test, vedo l’E-Cat alimentato con 10v cc dall’ alimentatore che fa anche le varie letture di consumo e voltaggio. Questo alimentatore è collegato alla rete elettrica. In questa configurazione, non sono necessari convertitori o sbaglio?
    La mia domanda è: se al cavo di rete dell’alimentatore togli la massa l’E-.Cat non funziona?.
    Scusa il disturbo.
    Grazie e Buon lavoro.
    erob
    English synopsis:
    1- Is the power source shown in the Ecat SKLep video also an inverter from 220 to 12 V ?
    2- had not the same PS an earth connection, would the Ecat shut down ?

  • Hi Everyone:

    This note is addressed to the group, to raise a situation I do not recall seeing discussed previously which, presumably, many people will encounter. It is not directed simply to Andrea since he has said that details will be given, tailored to the specific needs of each Ecat purchaser, at the time orders are processed.

    I live in Canada. As noted earlier, I have found that, were I to reduce my use of external sources of electric power to zero, my electricity bill would decline by only 15% because 85% of the amount billed is distribution and other costs that do not vary with usage.

    However, I use natural gas for hot water and for heating the house. So the idea I have in mind is to appreciably reduce natural gas usage by buying enough Ecat units and some portable electric heaters to use in winter in the basement or on the ground floor, with the warm air they produce circulated throughout the house. It is not intended to completely eliminate use of natural gas, but rather to use electric power as the basic source for heating the house, while using natural gas with the existing thermostat to ‘top up’ the house temperature to the thermostat level.

    [Of course it might be better to turn everything over to electric by getting Ecats and a new electric furnace and water heater. But I am not quite ready to make that decision.]

    I am imagining that during the coldest months of the year, three portable electric heaters (total perhaps 5kW?) might be enough to appreciably reduce natural gas usage, while in warmer weather using only two of them, or only one. Or none, of course, in summer. This usage would be adjusted by switching the portable electric heaters on or off manually as needed, depending on the time of year and predicted weather fluctuations.

    Also, there is a limit here on how much power a consumer is permitted to feed back into the grid. So the optimal way to handle this situation is unclear. And it raises the question as to how to handle what happens when the electric output from Ecats exceeds the total of the house usage plus the permitted quantity that can be fed to the grid.

    So, does anyone have thoughts about how best to manage such a situation? In particular, how many kW of electric heaters and how many Ecat units, would likely be required to replace most of the gas used to heat a fairly-well-insulated house during the colder months of the year when the temperature occasionally drops to minus 30*C? Historically, the use of natural gas for this house in January and February has varied between 12 and 20 GJ each month. The *average* daily high and low temperatures in the middle of winter here are approximately 0*C and minus 12*C respectively, depending on whether the wind is coming from Texas or the Arctic Ocean.

    Also, while 85% of electricity costs do not vary with usage, about 65% of gas costs do not vary with usage.

    Perhaps the bottom line of this for Andrea might be that, to make truly substantial reductions in energy costs, Andrea needs to find a way WE CAN ALL BE ENTIRELY OFF THE GRID, to eliminate all the distribution and other fixed costs and fees.

    Naturally, a full year’s actual experience with such a system will provide almost all the answers.

    Thanks again in advance for any inputs.

    Rodney.

  • Koen Vandewalle

    Dear Rodney Nicholson:
    if we look at the table of electricity prices that R.Brand linked us to, it is striking that the countries with richer populations also pay for the more expensive electricity.
    Electricity therefore seems to be sold at the maximum possible price that the producers can get for it in that region.

    That being said, the prices for electricity from the ECatSKLep are indeed not designed to provide electricity to people in poor countries right away.

    I also think that the ECat is still an expensive option for industrial processes for the time being, but the time of abundant cheap energy from fossil sources is gradually coming to an end.

    All my neighbors have now installed solar panels on their roofs. I don’t have any, because I saw a prototype of the ECat working in 2011, and Andrea Rossi is clearly making progress with the technology in the meantime.

    Fifteen years ago, if you dared to talk about zero-point energy, you were labeled an idiot or mentally retarded. Meanwhile, we see here and there images and testimonials of working devices tapping into this infinite energy field.
    And that’s where this new technology makes an absolute difference: that zero-point energy is abundant everywhere. We will therefore never have to pay for the energy itself, nor for its transport, storage and trading. Only for the purchase of the devices that use it. At that point, it comes down to having the most sustainable technology.

    In addition to the condition of the one million devices sold, it also seems important that the ECatSKLep has the best concept that cannot possibly be significantly improved by competitors with large financial resources. That is, of course, an assessment that only the inventor can make.

    Since human life is finite, the start button will of course have to be pressed at some point. Otherwise it’s not much fun.

    It’s kind of like an arms race. And high-tech weapons are sold only to those who can afford them or who subscribe to a payment plan and charge their citizens for generations. The price of the ECatSKLep is to be paid in USD, which I don’t think is chosen completely arbitrarily.

    Kind regards,
    Koen

  • Dear R. Brand:

    Thank you for those data. They appear to be the total cost per kWh. But I am paying three times as much as the 11.5 cents per kWh that those data claim to be the cost in Canada. So it is not clear to me how much I should rely on them.

    And from the point of view of using Ecats, what really matters to their economic viability is how much the total cost will fall if electricity use is dramatically reduced. I do not think the data in that table provides an answer to that question.

    For me here, if I was able to reduce my external electricity use by 100%, my electricity bill would fall by just 15%. This is because only 15% of my electricity bill is for the energy supplied. The other 85% is for all kinds of distribution and other costs and fees that will not change even if my usage were to drop to zero.

    So it seems to me the key metric we each need to ask ourselves in deciding what to do about replacimg external electricity with Ecats is: *** how much will our electricity bill fall if external sources are reduced to zero ***. In my case here in Canada, the answer is 15%, since all the non-energy costs are fixed.

    Does this make the issue I am trying to raise clearer?

    Rodney.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Ron Stringer:
    1- no
    2- no
    3-no, but to integrate yes
    4- no
    Thank you for your support,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Ron Stringer

    Dr. Rossi, I am intrigued by the development of a new, much smaller E-cat (the mini mini e-cat SKLEP?) I had thought you might have committed to a design already and would not bring out improvements until you had production established.
    I assume that as size changes, components and complexity change as well.
    1) Will these changes have an effect on your production planning?
    2) Will you have to establish new suppliers?
    3) Will you have to change your production tools or line?
    4) Will your costs change to any significant degree?
    We are all looking forward to production happening!
    Ron Stringer

  • R.Brand

    Dear Mr. Nicholson,
    here are the prices of electric power for households, incl tax and so on.
    https://de.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/
    This are prices of March, meanwhile of course it is even more expensive. But the average price of 46 ct/kwh for germany should be the latest price of today.
    Best regards
    R.Brand

  • Jan

    Dear readers,
    I read the book
    Unified Field Theory and Occam’s Razor
    authored by AndrĂ s Kovacs, Giorgio Vassallo, Paul O’Hara, Francesco Celani, Antonino Oscar Di Tommaso and published in 2022 by World Scientific.
    A consistent use of electromagnetism and general relativity at all length scales puts Physics back on the right track, allowing a deeper understanding of elementary particles and their interactions.
    It presupposes good knowledge of Physics and is a milestone for the development of a Physics new wave.

  • Hi Everyone:

    It is clear that I am confused. It will be appreciated if someone can clarify things for me. I am looking at my electricity bill. The house and hot water here are heated with natural gas. That is another story, for a bit later. I live in Canada and for the month of October I see that the electricity charge for that month was 126kWh x CAD$0.0659/kWh = CAD$8.30 ***PLUS*** a variety of other charges totalling about CAD$47.

    So while the price of the electrical ***ENERGY*** was CAD$0.0659 per kWh, my total cost per kWh used during the month, for the supply of electricity, was about CAD$0.44 per kWh used, which is about USD$0.32 per kWh.

    Previously on this blog people have been quoting some european rates at around 25 cents per kWh, but I do not recall whether that was the total cost per kWH, or simply the cost of the energy.

    If that 25 cents number is indeed the energy cost only, it is astounding to me that canadian electric energy is sold to retail customers at one-third the price in Europe. But if the 25 cents is the total cost then it is similarly astounding to me that the cost in Canada is so much higher, since we have long had copious amounts of inexpensive hydro-electric supply.

    This matters of course since, if electricity use can be reduced with Ecats, only the rather modest energy component of the total bill will be reduced. In my case, total elimination of external electricity would reduce the electricity bill by only 15%. So the payback period for Ecats would be quite long.

    Adding to my confusion is that at a website calling itself globalpetrolprices.com an international comparison of electicity prices claims that the *total* cost of electricity supply in Germany is USD$0.457 per kWh, but only USD$0.115 in Canada (about one-third of what I am paying.)

    Clarification of what the *energy* cost is, and the *total* cost of electricity is in USD per kWh in various countries would be helpful. Obviously the economic viability of Ecats will vary considerably from country to country depending on how much the energy component is of the total monthly cost.

    A secondary issue, which I will post about a little later, is that given the rather modest savings that could be made even with the total elimination of outside sources of electical energy here, it may be that Ecats will be more beneficial for replacing the cost of the natural gas currently heating the house and hot water. More about that another time.

    Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

    Illuminating regards,

    Rodney.

  • Andrea Rossi

    CC:
    Yes, during the live streaming of the Ecat SKLep on course on
    https://youtu.com/@ecatthenewfire
    It can be seen also going to
    http://www.ecat.com
    We will connect in series a PeakTech 3430 to measure the amperes showing the decimals after the third zero; the time will be 11.30 a.m. Rome time and we will repeat the measurement at 12.30 p.m. Miami time.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • CC

    Dr Rossi,
    Do you confirm that on December 5th at 11.30 a.m. Rome time your Italian team will show live the measurement of the current consumed by the Ecat made by the Peak Tech multimeter ?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    You can assume a height of 3.0 cm, albeit probably will be shrinked,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I have designed a PC board to display whether the individual Mini-SKLep unit (in a series of stacked units) is outputting a voltage. The design assumes a 3.0 cm height of the Mini-SKLep unit. Will this height Mini-SKLep be delivered? The board illuminates an LED if the specific Mini-SKLep is outputting voltage regardless of whether the common voltage buss is powered.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Anonymous:
    Yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Rossi,
    Do you think that the target of orders for at least 1 million units will be reached within the year 2023 ?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Michele:
    There is no end of any hope, and probably you have misunderstood what I wrote, or maybe I have not be sufficiently clear: so, I repeat: we cancelled the term of December 2022 to reach the targeted amount of pre-orders, therefore all the pre-orders that we already received and all the pre-orders that we will receive from now on will maintain their validity also after December 2022.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Anonymous:
    No, that clause has been cancelled. We do not put any time limit now, and we corrected the pre-orders form. Obviously the elimination of this time limit is valid also for all the pre-orders that have already been received.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Rossi:
    In the pre-order form there is written that the target of obtaining orders for 1 million preorders has to be reached within December 2022

  • Michele

    “There is not the term of December or of any date to reach the target” Mr. Rossi you know that is the end of our hopes, did you start the plan B? or others?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Claus:
    Thank you for your support to the work of our Team.
    There is not the term of December or of any date to reach the target.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Claus:
    Sorry, this issue is confidential. I cannot answer in positive or in negative,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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