For your heating demonstration, the simplest approach will be heating a moving stream of water. No phase change. Maybe supply 3,000W of electrical energy to a heated heat exchanger with one liter of water flowing per minute and measuring a 43 degC increase in temperature.
Dear Andrea
May you explain this ansver to LarryG a bit furter?
LarryG:
The Ecat does not create energy, it reverses it its system the Entropy difference in certain measure; no entropy differences happen out of the Ecat system operation.
Best regards Svein
Dr Rossi,
As much as the historic demonstration at the racetrack of Latina it is important the paper http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
The exploitation of the reverse difference of Entropy, explained in the paragraphs 2-3-4-5, is as well historic: no surprise that it is the most read publication of Researchgate.
All the best,
Ambrogio
HW-140 is a flexible DC/DC converter you can use to easily make a 12v Pb basic charger with a 12V NGU Power Cell. You need to add an e.g. Arduino module to measure the voltage and switch charging on and off for a genuine trickle charger.
HW-140 : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144028182782
Tom Kaminski:
Q1: the module of 10 W has a power of 10 W, but if the load draws less Ampères the Wh/h consumed will be proportionally less
Q2: The Ecat can recharge batteries in general, but I am not fully aware of the issues connected with a battery installed on a car. You’d risk to lose the guarantee of the car manufacturer.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Automobile parasitic current draw occurs due to “always on” equipment like wireless key entry devices and other internal electronics. Typically, it is under 100 mA for most cars, though cars with user installed accessories might draw more. If left parked for a while, cars may run down the battery, requiring a jumo start. A 10 watt e-cat adapted as a “trickle charger” would prevent excessive battery draw down and might extend the life of the car battery.
Q1: Is an e-cat device with less than 10 watts possible?
Q2: Could the e-cat output be adjusted for trickle charging a car battery?
LarryG:
The Ecat does not create energy, it reverses it its system the Entropy difference in certain measure; no entropy differences happen out of the Ecat system operation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
If you do a google/bing image search of portable power stations, like: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=portable+power+station
you’ll see dozens of Commercial-Off-The-Shelf (COTS) power stations that are nicely packaged & ready to use in the house, cabin, while camping, or on the road.
1) Is there any chance that the ECats we are preordering, in the 100 Watts and up category, could look and function, right out of the box, something like those? “Plug-and-play”?
2) Or, are they going to look, and function, more like a DIY kit from Radio Shack? That is, “some assembly (and a box of our own) required”?
Clearly, I’ll be thrilled to get either, but with option #1, I could use it right away.
Realistically, I expect that option #1 is too much to hope for initially, after all, it’s a full scale product, which will come later, not a prototype device.
Perhaps a sample picture of one of the “kits” when time gets closer.
Dear Dr. Rossi
Can you speculate for us please as to what happens to the energy created by the ECAT. Does it eventually end up in the earth/universe ecosystem as “heat” or does it eventually somehow go back to the “ZPE reservoir” of energy to keep that in some sort of equilibrium.
I am not particularly worried about this since even if 100% of our power consumption came from the ECAT, I calculate the energy would be of the order of magnitude 1,000,000,000 smaller than the energy deposited on us by the sun.
A Suggestion for a Standalone Demonstration of Electrical Power Generation…
EG4 Electronics has announced the release of a new Off-Grid Inverter, the EG4 12000XP.
The proposed system would include one 12000XP inverter with two EG4 Powerpro Battery systems. Total price is under $10,000USD.
This is a system that does require Grid power.
The battery units are each 14.2 kW-hrs for a total capacity of 28.6 kW-hrs.
I would envision using 2 of the NGU 3 kW units each configured as 120 VDC output @ 25 Amps. Each NGU would power one of the two PV inputs on the EG4 12000XP inverter.
The Inverter is spec’d at a minimum operating voltage of 100VDC and a start of MPP at 120VDC. Each input can support up to 35 Amps.
Proposed Test
With no Grid power provided, each EG4 battery is at 50% capacity.
Provide a load at the AC split phase 120/240VAC output of approximately 6 kW – heaters, industrial fans, etc. For Example: 240 VAC @ 25 Amps.
Turn on the batteries and the inverters and show power being provided by the battery systems.
Then turn on the PV input (the two NGU 3 kW units) and measure the total power provided and the battery State of Charge.
Run the test for 6 or more hours.
Analysis
Load: 6 hours times 6 kW load = 36 kW-hrs.
Battery State of Charge: same or greater than that at the time the NGUs were activated.
Remote record all power measurements using the EG4 Cell phone App.
Dr Rossi,
The statistics of your papers published on Researchgate are stunning, the highest of all the authors who published on it. Can you suggest us which is the publication that most can help to replicate the Ecat NGU ?
Best,
Ambrogio
Tom Kaminski:
These particulars are restricted and do not affect the Clients; the A.I. makes what is necessary for the stability of the energy generation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In your answer to CalleH, you say that the AI will control the voltage when units are connected in series. I think that is a very interesting control system worthy of a patent on its own. An interesting question is how the control strategy works to maintain stability with series or parallel connections.
Does:
Q1: the AI have a separate control connection for series stability?
OR
Q2: does the AI only utilize the two wires providing power to series connection for stability?
A parallel connection is is has a similar control problem in that the unit providing a higher voltage might source a higher current to the load. For a parallel connection does:
Q3: the AI have a separate connection for parallel stability?
OR
Q4: Does the AI just use the two wires providing power for stability?
And of course, possibly:
Q5: Is an entirely different control strategy used?
It could be very interesting il Leonardo corp. could provide the schema of how to connect an ecat to an existing hybrid solar home implant, so to, through the battery buffer, use all the 24 hours ecat energy production:
– in parallel with the panels in the inverter input
(this could be problematic due to the different specific input V of the inverter, so to have to replace the inverter)
– as AC primary inverter onput (not full use of ecat power, when switching to battery)
– as direct charge of the battery connected to the inverter (may require an V upscaler since the V needed)
Maybe we colud start a dedicated chat somewhere, or Leonardo corp. could give is the scheme, that may be already been elaborated since the past intention to give a solar-ecat plant demo.
Albert:
I still do not have a date, but we had a strong increase of pre-orders, that continues. As soon as possible, we will start the deliveries, albeit we still do not yet have a date.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I assume that the specified performance of the respective E-Cat is the minimum performance that is guaranteed.
If I now connect an 800 W inverter to an 800 W E-Cat, do I have to worry that the E-Cat will switch off or is there a 10% tolerance upwards, which of course should not be deliberately activated?
Thank you for your answer on series connection of NGU. May I ask:
1. How many NGU can you connect in series? (assuming high voltage safety issues is respected). Simple reasoning says that there is risk for interference due to free floating of voltage with several voltage sources in series.
2. Is it so that the AI controller is the key to controlling stable operation? so that shut-down of series connected NGU will not happen.
3. When higher voltage than 12V is doable wouldn’t it be practical to offer the 1-5 kW NGU generators at higher voltage? as 12V and several kW of power will result in amperage that may not be manageable.
One of the advantages of the NGU over solar power is that the NGU can produce power anytime. This behavior can maximize cost savings for electrical power by utilizing various optional billing plans made available by some electrical utilities in their incentives to produce peak electrical power.
Using the grid can save money over the “go it alone” strategy using battery backup storage. In this situation, the grid acts as the backup while providing surge protection instead of using a battery. Using the grid in this backup capacity provides the minimum cost solution for the home power system.
My electric utility will pay me to generate electricity at the prime billing rate if I am enrolled in my electric utilities’ net metering program, the credits I receive for energy produced during peak usage hours will be applied at the higher “peak” rate paid to me, essentially reimbursing me more for the electricity generated during those times when demand is highest; meaning I earn greater credits for power produced during peak energy usage periods.
Higher credit during peak hours means if I produce more electricity than I consume during peak hours, the credits I earn will be calculated based on the higher peak rate, resulting in a larger credit on my bill.
Credit rollover means that any excess energy produced beyond my consumption can be rolled over to future billing cycles.
Billing cycle calculation means that my electric utility will calculate my net energy usage at the end of each billing cycle, crediting me for any excess generation.
If I minimize the power that I consume during the peak period such as heating when the NGU is producing peak power will allow me to use more energy during the off peak period when the NGU is shut down.
The electric utility’s peak period for its Time-of-Use (TOU) pricing is 2–6 PM excluding weekdays and holidays. The TOU rate is higher during this time than during the other two off-peak periods:
Super Off-Peak: 12 AM–6 AM, every day
Off-Peak: All other days and times, including 6 AM–2 PM and 6 PM–12 AM on weekdays
TOU pricing is an optional rate for small commercial and residential customers that reflects the cost of electricity throughout the day. It’s designed to encourage customers to use less energy during peak hours.
Timeframes for on- and off-peak periods may change based on the season or weekend to account for changing customer needs.
The NGU Pre-Built Generators should allow timer control for global on/off shutdown of the unit to enable on- and off-peak billing control. for example:
For time of day pricing, the “off-peak” rate typically applies during weekends and holidays, meaning you will pay a lower price for electricity during these times compared to weekdays when peak usage occurs; most utility companies consider weekends and holidays as off-peak periods
Rate Class
TOU Peak Price – $0.28234
TOU Off-Peak Price – $0.06209
TOU Supper Off-Peak Price – $0.04253
If you currently have a solar system supplemented by NGU, you definitely want to explore TOU rates. If you own an EV, whether you own solar or not, you also would be wise to explore this pricing, due to the much lower rate to charge your EV during the “Super Off-Peak” period
Producing energy for just 4 hours per day will increase your availability of the NGU by 24/4 = 6 times. With a 100,000 hours availability, the unit should operate for 600,000 hours without failures.
Using TOD power during super off-peak hours will decrease your power cost by over 6 times. This means that you can reduce your NGU cost by a factor of 6 to produce the same amount of power via grid supplied off peak power.
$0.28234/$0.04253 = 6.6386 times
Dear Dr. Rossi.
Can you please give us some updated, estimated, production capacity information so we can have more accurate expectations on delivery dates once you hit your 100MW order goal…..
1) What will your daily average production rate, in terms of 10W equivalent units per day, once your production line is running smoothly. Obviously this is an estimated number and we should not hold you to it. In the past, this number has been estimated as tens of thousands per day and higher, so complete the first 100MW in 3-12 months ranges.
2) what hours will your production line be running,
2a) single shift?
2b) 24 hours per day?
2c) 5 days per week?
2d) 7 days per week?
3) Do you plan to add capacity in the first year of production if you get swamped with new orders after deliveries start?
Now that the technology has been proven without any doubts at all, and production can be rolled out, what is your next step? Do you have a target date for the rollout? Before I go to the other side, I wish to see an E-Cat working at my home. I have followed your achievements, ups and downs, and final success, since your first demonstration with Prof Focardi in Bologna.
A much more user friendly view of this forum is at http://www.rossilivecat.com/
You only need to come to the journal forum to post.
Benefits:
1) Responses are paired with the questions when Dr. Rossi responds.
2) You can do key word searches….the most common keyboard shortcut is CNTRL F to enter search term.
A great many questions to Dr. Rossi are duplicates, although there is certainly a trend to more detailed very specific installation questions that can only be fully answered at true product launch. IMO Dr. Rossi shows great patience in answering the same questions over and over and over 🙂
Dr Rossi,
I discovered today all the videos of the Latina test, with the full 6 hours race, the 2 hours long press conference and the synoptic short video: very impressive. I sent you a pre-order for 100 kW to http://www.ecatorders.com and hope to be able to turn it into a regular order asap.
Best Regards,
Pierre Bodreaux
I apologize if this question has been answered before. The NGU Data Sheet say on Remark 3: Power cells and generators can be interconnected in serial and parallel to achieve higher voltage and power. This raises the question:
1. If you have two 12V 100W NGU connected in series, with the first NGU having its negative connector connected to the load minus terminal and the second NGU has its positive connector connecter to the load positive terminal, the output will be 24V and 200W (assuming that the load is stable at 200W at 24V). Simple reasoning says that this should be a stable operation. Or is it not stable?
2. If you have three 12V 100W NGU connected in series for a 36V 300W load, will de NGU in the middle also be stable? or is there a risk for interference so that one of the three NGU may shut down and cause a total shut down?
I suspect that you will ignore my suggestion but here it is…
Have two identical ground-based solar PV structures. Identical structures, same number and exact types of solar panels, same identical angles, positioned sufficiently close so the solar geometry is identical but not so close that they influence each other. Each is described herein as a solar farm.
Each solar farm runs power into identical solar inverters – same everything including batteries.
Each solar inverter connects to the same Grid power – same phases, same wire size, same everything.
One of the solar farms is supplemented with the NGU components, the other is not.
Start the testing on both units at the same time.
Run the test for at least 2 weeks. Periodically record, hopefully remotely, energy measurements on each solar farm.
At the end, compare results and show efficacy. Show results.
Now, without changing anything, disable the Supplementation and rerun the tests for the exact same time period.
I apologize if this question has already been asked several times.
Can I connect an E-Cat directly to the inverter to operate electrical devices with mains voltage?
Background: In Germany, every household is allowed to feed up to 800 W into the public grid without registration. This regulation is used by so-called balcony power plants (small PV systems).
You can buy inverters with a grid connection for this purpose, which can simply be plugged into the socket using a Schuko plug, at a price of 115 euros. If I can now connect an 800 W / 48 V E-Cat (2,380 euros) here, I can generate 70 thousand kilowatt hours of electricity in 10 years and thus save around 24,000 euros, at an EVU kilowatt price of 0.35 euros.
As A.R. has always said, the first step towards a more sustainable future (in addition to ECAT) is to put yourself in the conditions for maximum energy savings. That is, to ensure that your consumption is not excessive compared to what they must give us back. For this reason, what you said about the resistance to heat water can only be good when you have a low-temperature heating system (panel heating). Until ECAT is in every home, the best condition is energy savings. So thermal insulation of opaque surfaces of homes, LED lighting, high-performance heat pumps….etc….etc…
I also agree with A.R. (as always) that in the first period of introduction on the market, ECAT and the other systems will have to integrate and it is therefore essential that we do not give up, for the moment, on making photovoltaic systems and/or other. In fact, those who already have a PV system are certainly at an advantage in integrating it with their NGU system and consequently in immediately exploiting its potential.
You are certainly right when you say that “keeping the circuit simple can prolong its life” but I think this can only be done when the Ecat is in every home and above all it will be allowed to use it freely (a good discussion awaits us on this aspect).
Regarding the battery as a buffer on peak snapshots, the use of capacitors could also be suitable….but we need to experiment.
Greetings from Italy.
1) the 1kW E-Cat NGU Generator, consists of 10 single E-Cat PowerCells with 12VDC, 100W?
2) Through connecting these Power Cells parallel or in series, the following DC voltages are possible. Maximum Output VOltage of a E-Cat NGU Generator is 240V (written in the Datasheeet)
3) a 1kW E-Cat – 10 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,60,120V?
4) a 2kW E-Cat – 20 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,48,60,120,240V?
5) a 3kW E-Cat – 30 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,36,60,72,120,180V? (360 not possible!)?
6) a 5kW E-Cat – 50 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,60,120V? (300V not possible!)?
7) a 10kW E-Cat – 100 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,48,60,120,240V (300,600V not possible!)?
8) is it possible to combine E-Cat Generators of same type in series to get higher DC Voltages? for example: 3 x E-Cat NGU 1kW in series: 3x120V = 360V
and Maico in your response from October 5, which I discovered today under a different topic on JONP.
Thank you for your insightful responses. I now have a clearer understanding of how to integrate the ECAT into any 220-volt (grid-connected) application.
I never invested in a solar system because, back in 2011, I witnessed one of the initial tests of Andrea Rossi’s prototype firsthand and saw that it delivered on its promise: producing continuous energy, which at that stage was entirely in the form of heat.
So, dear Maico, there is no need to convince me of the E-Cat SKLep NGU’s potential!
The advancements made since then are definitely worth the wait!
Unfortunately, I do not have €250 million to spend or invest; otherwise, I would have ordered the first million ECATs myself. I also have clients waiting for me to solve their technical issues, which allows me to support my family, so I won’t be expanding into sales or installation of E-Cat technology. Every job in the world plays a role in keeping everything running smoothly.
Regarding home configurations using hybrid inverters:
I believe using inexpensive lead-acid batteries as a buffer is a practical solution. Car starter batteries, for example, have a straightforward chemistry and can deliver high peak power, such as starting a car engine. When maintained at full charge, they can last over a decade and are cost-effective. By using devices like the Novitec Megapulse, they could potentially outlast my lifetime and possibly even that of my children.
The energy storage inverters from SOLIS, as Gian Luca suggested, would also be suitable.
My remaining task is to calculate the peak power requirement for my equipment and others. I estimate that 3 kW/h should be sufficient. I am still considering the best way to use E-Cat energy for home heating. A simple resistance heater and an electric pump might suffice. My preference is to keep the setup simple, minimizing technology to ensure durability over a lifetime or more.
MaBi:
We made tests with MPP systems without problems, but most of them work at 12 V; to go higher it will take a step up, should not be difficult to install; anyway, I do not see the point: the Ecat generates electric energy at its standard Voltage and you have just to get its energy and step it up or down to make it compatible with the energy your solar panels erogate; this fact is independent from the MPP electric motors, for which you anyway have to supply the Voltage they work at. You must make a distinction between the energy you get from the Ecat system and the energy you have to supply to the MPP motors. The energy made by the Ecat must be sent to the battery of your solar system, not to the MPP.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Stefano:
1- the NGU makes also heat, just using a resistance as load
2- the heat dissipation is irrilevant, unless the Ecat is used to produce heat by means of a resistive load
3- yes
4- see 2; if the Ecat NGU is used to make heat by means of a resistive load, the power of the Ecat is turned entirely into heat ( Joule effect )
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Kaminski:
Possible modifications from the standard configurations will be made at a price, unless in the meantime we will expand our production standards.
Thank you for your suggestion: your case could be taken in consideration in this sense.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Joachim:
When we will be ready to deliver you will be contacted to turn the pre-order into a regular order and in that moment you will order and pay what you actually will decide to pay. The payment will be requested in advance and you will be free to cancel the pre-order if you want and pay nothing. As I always said, the pre-orders are not binding until they are turned into regular orders.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Kaminski:
1- the disk is a 10 W module, it is a cylinder, the photo shows the base upon which the cylinder stays.
2- see 1
3- same as a battery of a motorcycle or a car
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
We all hope that e-cat NGU will go into production very soon.
I have several questions:
1) is the hot-cat still available for industrial purposes?
2) is the e-cat NGU producing some extent of heat (not from the controller)?
3) is there inside the e-cat NGU still the “ballerina”?
4) what is the amount of energy released by heat (in watt) compared to the electric power (in watt) as output?
USB is a common interface for both data and power. With the latest USB3.2 specification, many devices connected to a USB3.2 poser source can negotiate a variable voltage/current supply from as low as 5.1 volts and about 1.0 Ampere (5 watts) to 48 volts at 5 Amperes (240 Watt). Also, there are a number of auto cigarette lighter adapters that provide USB2/3 fast charging currents at roughly the 30 watt total power level.
Q0: Count a simple 10W e-cat NGU unit be ordered with with 2, 0.9 Ampere, 5.1 volt USB ports?
Q1: Could an e-pat NGU assembly be provided with USB3 variable voltage levels?
Q2: As in Q1 but at 30 Watts? (5 to 20 volts)
Q3: As in Q1 but at 100 Watts? ( 5 to 20 volts)
Q4: As in Q1 but at 240 Watts? (5 to 48 Volts at uo to 5 Amperes).
Dear Andrea Rossi,
For your heating demonstration, the simplest approach will be heating a moving stream of water. No phase change. Maybe supply 3,000W of electrical energy to a heated heat exchanger with one liter of water flowing per minute and measuring a 43 degC increase in temperature.
Thoughts?
Dear Andrea
May you explain this ansver to LarryG a bit furter?
LarryG:
The Ecat does not create energy, it reverses it its system the Entropy difference in certain measure; no entropy differences happen out of the Ecat system operation.
Best regards Svein
Dr Rossi,
As much as the historic demonstration at the racetrack of Latina it is important the paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
The exploitation of the reverse difference of Entropy, explained in the paragraphs 2-3-4-5, is as well historic: no surprise that it is the most read publication of Researchgate.
All the best,
Ambrogio
@Tom Kaminski
HW-140 is a flexible DC/DC converter you can use to easily make a 12v Pb basic charger with a 12V NGU Power Cell. You need to add an e.g. Arduino module to measure the voltage and switch charging on and off for a genuine trickle charger.
HW-140 : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144028182782
Rgds
Klas
Tom Kaminski:
Q1: the module of 10 W has a power of 10 W, but if the load draws less Ampères the Wh/h consumed will be proportionally less
Q2: The Ecat can recharge batteries in general, but I am not fully aware of the issues connected with a battery installed on a car. You’d risk to lose the guarantee of the car manufacturer.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Automobile parasitic current draw occurs due to “always on” equipment like wireless key entry devices and other internal electronics. Typically, it is under 100 mA for most cars, though cars with user installed accessories might draw more. If left parked for a while, cars may run down the battery, requiring a jumo start. A 10 watt e-cat adapted as a “trickle charger” would prevent excessive battery draw down and might extend the life of the car battery.
Q1: Is an e-cat device with less than 10 watts possible?
Q2: Could the e-cat output be adjusted for trickle charging a car battery?
LarryG:
The Ecat does not create energy, it reverses it its system the Entropy difference in certain measure; no entropy differences happen out of the Ecat system operation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
WaltC:
1- yes
2- depends on the specific situations
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers,
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published in other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr. Rossi,
If you do a google/bing image search of portable power stations, like:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=portable+power+station
you’ll see dozens of Commercial-Off-The-Shelf (COTS) power stations that are nicely packaged & ready to use in the house, cabin, while camping, or on the road.
1) Is there any chance that the ECats we are preordering, in the 100 Watts and up category, could look and function, right out of the box, something like those? “Plug-and-play”?
2) Or, are they going to look, and function, more like a DIY kit from Radio Shack? That is, “some assembly (and a box of our own) required”?
Clearly, I’ll be thrilled to get either, but with option #1, I could use it right away.
Realistically, I expect that option #1 is too much to hope for initially, after all, it’s a full scale product, which will come later, not a prototype device.
Perhaps a sample picture of one of the “kits” when time gets closer.
Best Wishes for the coming holiday season,
WaltC
Dear Dr. Rossi
Can you speculate for us please as to what happens to the energy created by the ECAT. Does it eventually end up in the earth/universe ecosystem as “heat” or does it eventually somehow go back to the “ZPE reservoir” of energy to keep that in some sort of equilibrium.
I am not particularly worried about this since even if 100% of our power consumption came from the ECAT, I calculate the energy would be of the order of magnitude 1,000,000,000 smaller than the energy deposited on us by the sun.
Regards, LarryG
Steven Nichoòes Karels:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
A Suggestion for a Standalone Demonstration of Electrical Power Generation…
EG4 Electronics has announced the release of a new Off-Grid Inverter, the EG4 12000XP.
The proposed system would include one 12000XP inverter with two EG4 Powerpro Battery systems. Total price is under $10,000USD.
This is a system that does require Grid power.
The battery units are each 14.2 kW-hrs for a total capacity of 28.6 kW-hrs.
I would envision using 2 of the NGU 3 kW units each configured as 120 VDC output @ 25 Amps. Each NGU would power one of the two PV inputs on the EG4 12000XP inverter.
The Inverter is spec’d at a minimum operating voltage of 100VDC and a start of MPP at 120VDC. Each input can support up to 35 Amps.
Proposed Test
With no Grid power provided, each EG4 battery is at 50% capacity.
Provide a load at the AC split phase 120/240VAC output of approximately 6 kW – heaters, industrial fans, etc. For Example: 240 VAC @ 25 Amps.
Turn on the batteries and the inverters and show power being provided by the battery systems.
Then turn on the PV input (the two NGU 3 kW units) and measure the total power provided and the battery State of Charge.
Run the test for 6 or more hours.
Analysis
Load: 6 hours times 6 kW load = 36 kW-hrs.
Battery State of Charge: same or greater than that at the time the NGUs were activated.
Remote record all power measurements using the EG4 Cell phone App.
Thoughts?
Dr Rossi,
The statistics of your papers published on Researchgate are stunning, the highest of all the authors who published on it. Can you suggest us which is the publication that most can help to replicate the Ecat NGU ?
Best,
Ambrogio
Dott. AT:
Such information will be given to the Clients based on their specific situations when we will deliver their orders,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Kaminski:
These particulars are restricted and do not affect the Clients; the A.I. makes what is necessary for the stability of the energy generation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In your answer to CalleH, you say that the AI will control the voltage when units are connected in series. I think that is a very interesting control system worthy of a patent on its own. An interesting question is how the control strategy works to maintain stability with series or parallel connections.
Does:
Q1: the AI have a separate control connection for series stability?
OR
Q2: does the AI only utilize the two wires providing power to series connection for stability?
A parallel connection is is has a similar control problem in that the unit providing a higher voltage might source a higher current to the load. For a parallel connection does:
Q3: the AI have a separate connection for parallel stability?
OR
Q4: Does the AI just use the two wires providing power for stability?
And of course, possibly:
Q5: Is an entirely different control strategy used?
Dear Dott. Rossi, dear followers,
It could be very interesting il Leonardo corp. could provide the schema of how to connect an ecat to an existing hybrid solar home implant, so to, through the battery buffer, use all the 24 hours ecat energy production:
– in parallel with the panels in the inverter input
(this could be problematic due to the different specific input V of the inverter, so to have to replace the inverter)
– as AC primary inverter onput (not full use of ecat power, when switching to battery)
– as direct charge of the battery connected to the inverter (may require an V upscaler since the V needed)
Maybe we colud start a dedicated chat somewhere, or Leonardo corp. could give is the scheme, that may be already been elaborated since the past intention to give a solar-ecat plant demo.
Thanks and regards to all.
Albert:
I still do not have a date, but we had a strong increase of pre-orders, that continues. As soon as possible, we will start the deliveries, albeit we still do not yet have a date.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
LarryG:
1. not changed so far
2. b, c
3. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Calle H:
1. depends on the specific situations
2. in the series the A.I. will control the equalization
3. correct
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Wilfried:
Depends on the specific situation; better not to overcome the power of the Ecat.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I assume that the specified performance of the respective E-Cat is the minimum performance that is guaranteed.
If I now connect an 800 W inverter to an 800 W E-Cat, do I have to worry that the E-Cat will switch off or is there a 10% tolerance upwards, which of course should not be deliberately activated?
Best regards
Wilfried
Dear Dr. Rossi,
Thank you for your answer on series connection of NGU. May I ask:
1. How many NGU can you connect in series? (assuming high voltage safety issues is respected). Simple reasoning says that there is risk for interference due to free floating of voltage with several voltage sources in series.
2. Is it so that the AI controller is the key to controlling stable operation? so that shut-down of series connected NGU will not happen.
3. When higher voltage than 12V is doable wouldn’t it be practical to offer the 1-5 kW NGU generators at higher voltage? as 12V and several kW of power will result in amperage that may not be manageable.
Thank you if you can answer,
CalleH
One of the advantages of the NGU over solar power is that the NGU can produce power anytime. This behavior can maximize cost savings for electrical power by utilizing various optional billing plans made available by some electrical utilities in their incentives to produce peak electrical power.
Using the grid can save money over the “go it alone” strategy using battery backup storage. In this situation, the grid acts as the backup while providing surge protection instead of using a battery. Using the grid in this backup capacity provides the minimum cost solution for the home power system.
My electric utility will pay me to generate electricity at the prime billing rate if I am enrolled in my electric utilities’ net metering program, the credits I receive for energy produced during peak usage hours will be applied at the higher “peak” rate paid to me, essentially reimbursing me more for the electricity generated during those times when demand is highest; meaning I earn greater credits for power produced during peak energy usage periods.
Higher credit during peak hours means if I produce more electricity than I consume during peak hours, the credits I earn will be calculated based on the higher peak rate, resulting in a larger credit on my bill.
Credit rollover means that any excess energy produced beyond my consumption can be rolled over to future billing cycles.
Billing cycle calculation means that my electric utility will calculate my net energy usage at the end of each billing cycle, crediting me for any excess generation.
If I minimize the power that I consume during the peak period such as heating when the NGU is producing peak power will allow me to use more energy during the off peak period when the NGU is shut down.
The electric utility’s peak period for its Time-of-Use (TOU) pricing is 2–6 PM excluding weekdays and holidays. The TOU rate is higher during this time than during the other two off-peak periods:
Super Off-Peak: 12 AM–6 AM, every day
Off-Peak: All other days and times, including 6 AM–2 PM and 6 PM–12 AM on weekdays
TOU pricing is an optional rate for small commercial and residential customers that reflects the cost of electricity throughout the day. It’s designed to encourage customers to use less energy during peak hours.
Timeframes for on- and off-peak periods may change based on the season or weekend to account for changing customer needs.
The NGU Pre-Built Generators should allow timer control for global on/off shutdown of the unit to enable on- and off-peak billing control. for example:
For time of day pricing, the “off-peak” rate typically applies during weekends and holidays, meaning you will pay a lower price for electricity during these times compared to weekdays when peak usage occurs; most utility companies consider weekends and holidays as off-peak periods
Rate Class
TOU Peak Price – $0.28234
TOU Off-Peak Price – $0.06209
TOU Supper Off-Peak Price – $0.04253
If you currently have a solar system supplemented by NGU, you definitely want to explore TOU rates. If you own an EV, whether you own solar or not, you also would be wise to explore this pricing, due to the much lower rate to charge your EV during the “Super Off-Peak” period
Producing energy for just 4 hours per day will increase your availability of the NGU by 24/4 = 6 times. With a 100,000 hours availability, the unit should operate for 600,000 hours without failures.
Using TOD power during super off-peak hours will decrease your power cost by over 6 times. This means that you can reduce your NGU cost by a factor of 6 to produce the same amount of power via grid supplied off peak power.
$0.28234/$0.04253 = 6.6386 times
Dear Dr. Rossi.
Can you please give us some updated, estimated, production capacity information so we can have more accurate expectations on delivery dates once you hit your 100MW order goal…..
1) What will your daily average production rate, in terms of 10W equivalent units per day, once your production line is running smoothly. Obviously this is an estimated number and we should not hold you to it. In the past, this number has been estimated as tens of thousands per day and higher, so complete the first 100MW in 3-12 months ranges.
2) what hours will your production line be running,
2a) single shift?
2b) 24 hours per day?
2c) 5 days per week?
2d) 7 days per week?
3) Do you plan to add capacity in the first year of production if you get swamped with new orders after deliveries start?
Best Regards
LarryG
Dear Dr. Rossi,
Now that the technology has been proven without any doubts at all, and production can be rolled out, what is your next step? Do you have a target date for the rollout? Before I go to the other side, I wish to see an E-Cat working at my home. I have followed your achievements, ups and downs, and final success, since your first demonstration with Prof Focardi in Bologna.
Calle H:
1. it is stable
2. it is stable
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels,
Thank you for your suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Pierre:
Thank you for your important support,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Reminder to Readers:
A much more user friendly view of this forum is at
http://www.rossilivecat.com/
You only need to come to the journal forum to post.
Benefits:
1) Responses are paired with the questions when Dr. Rossi responds.
2) You can do key word searches….the most common keyboard shortcut is CNTRL F to enter search term.
A great many questions to Dr. Rossi are duplicates, although there is certainly a trend to more detailed very specific installation questions that can only be fully answered at true product launch. IMO Dr. Rossi shows great patience in answering the same questions over and over and over 🙂
Waiting impatiently 🙂 LarryG
Dr Rossi,
I discovered today all the videos of the Latina test, with the full 6 hours race, the 2 hours long press conference and the synoptic short video: very impressive. I sent you a pre-order for 100 kW to http://www.ecatorders.com and hope to be able to turn it into a regular order asap.
Best Regards,
Pierre Bodreaux
Dear Dr. Rossi,
I apologize if this question has been answered before. The NGU Data Sheet say on Remark 3: Power cells and generators can be interconnected in serial and parallel to achieve higher voltage and power. This raises the question:
1. If you have two 12V 100W NGU connected in series, with the first NGU having its negative connector connected to the load minus terminal and the second NGU has its positive connector connecter to the load positive terminal, the output will be 24V and 200W (assuming that the load is stable at 200W at 24V). Simple reasoning says that this should be a stable operation. Or is it not stable?
2. If you have three 12V 100W NGU connected in series for a 36V 300W load, will de NGU in the middle also be stable? or is there a risk for interference so that one of the three NGU may shut down and cause a total shut down?
Thank you if you can answer,
CalleH
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Solar PV Supplementation Demonstration
I suspect that you will ignore my suggestion but here it is…
Have two identical ground-based solar PV structures. Identical structures, same number and exact types of solar panels, same identical angles, positioned sufficiently close so the solar geometry is identical but not so close that they influence each other. Each is described herein as a solar farm.
Each solar farm runs power into identical solar inverters – same everything including batteries.
Each solar inverter connects to the same Grid power – same phases, same wire size, same everything.
One of the solar farms is supplemented with the NGU components, the other is not.
Start the testing on both units at the same time.
Run the test for at least 2 weeks. Periodically record, hopefully remotely, energy measurements on each solar farm.
At the end, compare results and show efficacy. Show results.
Now, without changing anything, disable the Supplementation and rerun the tests for the exact same time period.
Show results.
Thoughts?
Wilfried:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I apologize if this question has already been asked several times.
Can I connect an E-Cat directly to the inverter to operate electrical devices with mains voltage?
Background: In Germany, every household is allowed to feed up to 800 W into the public grid without registration. This regulation is used by so-called balcony power plants (small PV systems).
You can buy inverters with a grid connection for this purpose, which can simply be plugged into the socket using a Schuko plug, at a price of 115 euros. If I can now connect an 800 W / 48 V E-Cat (2,380 euros) here, I can generate 70 thousand kilowatt hours of electricity in 10 years and thus save around 24,000 euros, at an EVU kilowatt price of 0.35 euros.
Best regards
Wilfried
Claus B.:
All the answers depend on specific situations, to be discussed with the Clients.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Yet another update !
The paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
reached today 149000 total readings, more than 16 millions publications on Researchgate,
and counting…
Prof
Koen Vandewalle
Hi Koen & Steven
As A.R. has always said, the first step towards a more sustainable future (in addition to ECAT) is to put yourself in the conditions for maximum energy savings. That is, to ensure that your consumption is not excessive compared to what they must give us back. For this reason, what you said about the resistance to heat water can only be good when you have a low-temperature heating system (panel heating). Until ECAT is in every home, the best condition is energy savings. So thermal insulation of opaque surfaces of homes, LED lighting, high-performance heat pumps….etc….etc…
I also agree with A.R. (as always) that in the first period of introduction on the market, ECAT and the other systems will have to integrate and it is therefore essential that we do not give up, for the moment, on making photovoltaic systems and/or other. In fact, those who already have a PV system are certainly at an advantage in integrating it with their NGU system and consequently in immediately exploiting its potential.
You are certainly right when you say that “keeping the circuit simple can prolong its life” but I think this can only be done when the Ecat is in every home and above all it will be allowed to use it freely (a good discussion awaits us on this aspect).
Regarding the battery as a buffer on peak snapshots, the use of capacitors could also be suitable….but we need to experiment.
Greetings from Italy.
To All:
A new interesting battery concept-
https://support.tibber.com/de/articles/7945574-das-ist-homevolt
Regards
Klas
Dear Andrea, NGU 😉
1) the 1kW E-Cat NGU Generator, consists of 10 single E-Cat PowerCells with 12VDC, 100W?
2) Through connecting these Power Cells parallel or in series, the following DC voltages are possible. Maximum Output VOltage of a E-Cat NGU Generator is 240V (written in the Datasheeet)
3) a 1kW E-Cat – 10 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,60,120V?
4) a 2kW E-Cat – 20 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,48,60,120,240V?
5) a 3kW E-Cat – 30 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,36,60,72,120,180V? (360 not possible!)?
6) a 5kW E-Cat – 50 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,60,120V? (300V not possible!)?
7) a 10kW E-Cat – 100 PowerCells – offers: 12,24,48,60,120,240V (300,600V not possible!)?
8) is it possible to combine E-Cat Generators of same type in series to get higher DC Voltages? for example: 3 x E-Cat NGU 1kW in series: 3x120V = 360V
Greatings Claus from Germany
To:
Steven Nicholes Karels,
Gian Luca,
and Maico in your response from October 5, which I discovered today under a different topic on JONP.
Thank you for your insightful responses. I now have a clearer understanding of how to integrate the ECAT into any 220-volt (grid-connected) application.
I never invested in a solar system because, back in 2011, I witnessed one of the initial tests of Andrea Rossi’s prototype firsthand and saw that it delivered on its promise: producing continuous energy, which at that stage was entirely in the form of heat.
So, dear Maico, there is no need to convince me of the E-Cat SKLep NGU’s potential!
The advancements made since then are definitely worth the wait!
Unfortunately, I do not have €250 million to spend or invest; otherwise, I would have ordered the first million ECATs myself. I also have clients waiting for me to solve their technical issues, which allows me to support my family, so I won’t be expanding into sales or installation of E-Cat technology. Every job in the world plays a role in keeping everything running smoothly.
Regarding home configurations using hybrid inverters:
I believe using inexpensive lead-acid batteries as a buffer is a practical solution. Car starter batteries, for example, have a straightforward chemistry and can deliver high peak power, such as starting a car engine. When maintained at full charge, they can last over a decade and are cost-effective. By using devices like the Novitec Megapulse, they could potentially outlast my lifetime and possibly even that of my children.
The energy storage inverters from SOLIS, as Gian Luca suggested, would also be suitable.
My remaining task is to calculate the peak power requirement for my equipment and others. I estimate that 3 kW/h should be sufficient. I am still considering the best way to use E-Cat energy for home heating. A simple resistance heater and an electric pump might suffice. My preference is to keep the setup simple, minimizing technology to ensure durability over a lifetime or more.
Thank you all! Koen
MaBi:
We made tests with MPP systems without problems, but most of them work at 12 V; to go higher it will take a step up, should not be difficult to install; anyway, I do not see the point: the Ecat generates electric energy at its standard Voltage and you have just to get its energy and step it up or down to make it compatible with the energy your solar panels erogate; this fact is independent from the MPP electric motors, for which you anyway have to supply the Voltage they work at. You must make a distinction between the energy you get from the Ecat system and the energy you have to supply to the MPP motors. The energy made by the Ecat must be sent to the battery of your solar system, not to the MPP.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Stefano:
1- the NGU makes also heat, just using a resistance as load
2- the heat dissipation is irrilevant, unless the Ecat is used to produce heat by means of a resistive load
3- yes
4- see 2; if the Ecat NGU is used to make heat by means of a resistive load, the power of the Ecat is turned entirely into heat ( Joule effect )
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Kaminski:
Possible modifications from the standard configurations will be made at a price, unless in the meantime we will expand our production standards.
Thank you for your suggestion: your case could be taken in consideration in this sense.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Joachim:
When we will be ready to deliver you will be contacted to turn the pre-order into a regular order and in that moment you will order and pay what you actually will decide to pay. The payment will be requested in advance and you will be free to cancel the pre-order if you want and pay nothing. As I always said, the pre-orders are not binding until they are turned into regular orders.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Kaminski:
1- the disk is a 10 W module, it is a cylinder, the photo shows the base upon which the cylinder stays.
2- see 1
3- same as a battery of a motorcycle or a car
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
We all hope that e-cat NGU will go into production very soon.
I have several questions:
1) is the hot-cat still available for industrial purposes?
2) is the e-cat NGU producing some extent of heat (not from the controller)?
3) is there inside the e-cat NGU still the “ballerina”?
4) what is the amount of energy released by heat (in watt) compared to the electric power (in watt) as output?
Dear Dr. Rossi.
To design a home system with an E-Cat generator, it is essential to answer the following question:
What will happen if I operate a standard E-Cat with a solar inverter with MPP tracking (e.g. E-Cat voltage of 36V is within the MPP-range of 28-55V)?
a) The E-Cat will work correctly and I can use it’s full power.
b) The MPP tracking will disturb the E-Cat and it will switch off.
Thank you, if you can answer.
Good luck to you and your team with the further development market launch of your technology.
Best regards, MaBi
USB is a common interface for both data and power. With the latest USB3.2 specification, many devices connected to a USB3.2 poser source can negotiate a variable voltage/current supply from as low as 5.1 volts and about 1.0 Ampere (5 watts) to 48 volts at 5 Amperes (240 Watt). Also, there are a number of auto cigarette lighter adapters that provide USB2/3 fast charging currents at roughly the 30 watt total power level.
Q0: Count a simple 10W e-cat NGU unit be ordered with with 2, 0.9 Ampere, 5.1 volt USB ports?
Q1: Could an e-pat NGU assembly be provided with USB3 variable voltage levels?
Q2: As in Q1 but at 30 Watts? (5 to 20 volts)
Q3: As in Q1 but at 100 Watts? ( 5 to 20 volts)
Q4: As in Q1 but at 240 Watts? (5 to 48 Volts at uo to 5 Amperes).