Firstly, I know you cannot answer to what the customer was producing from the steam produced by the 1MW e-cat.
There seems to be some discussions as to whether there is a process which would allow you to use 1MW of heat in such a small space, with only a small amount of raw material (not much coming in or going out) and the small amount of water you can dump through the drains or hot air you can extract through the vents.
I’m hoping there is another product in the world that could use a similar amount of heat with the same set of conditions. Could you maybe describe how that would be used in the same situation. This way you do not give out any protected information but you provide an example that proves it can be done. Any calculations would make it even better
Thankyou very much and hurry up I want my e-cat!! 🙂
Dear Andrea,
I bet you will try to hybridize the industrial plant in construction with a part made by QuarkX, to test them in the real operation.
Cheers,
Rudy
One day In the future I will take her to visit one of your plants or a demonstration quark somewhere and tell her an amazing story about these days. I wonder what other wonders she will see in her life.
Dr Andrea Rossi,
If I was you, after getting the ten millions from Cherokee Fund I’d stop working and enjoy my life leaving to them the job to develope the stuff.
Jo
Frank Acland,
I’d say that are two different things, not necessarily bound, but, of course, experience with the “pioneers” will help.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Interesting about distributed heating, I wish you well with the project. Is it necessary for your “pioneer” customers to have experience with E-Cat plants before you enter the massive production stage?
Neil:
It is very difficult to answer, many factors do not depend on me, while the selected industrial manufacturing as it is on course depends on me. I can assure you that I am doing all I can to make it possible in the shortes possible timespan.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
A few weeks ago you said you thought the first commercial application for the industrial E-Cat plants would be in the field of centralized or district heating. Has this changed, or do you still feel this way, and if so are you already working in this area?
Dr Andrea Rossi:
You already have given communication that the industrial plants manufacturing has been started, and this is for sure a milestone in the history of technology.
When do you think that also the massive production will be announced?
Thank you,
Neil
Pekka Janhunen:
I studied yesterday the paper sent us from Magnus: very interesting, but I never measured the energies involved. I do not think it can be reconciled with the so called Rossi effect.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Stephen:
Congratulations for your newborn daughter!
One billion of great wishes to her.
Thank you for your insight, I agree. Do not worry: the puppets are paid to raise mud and this is the best evidence that our foe needs mud because has not serious arguments. Let them talk, it’s just tongue displaced air. Paper tigers.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
It’ saddens me sometimes the endless repeated negative discussions in some forums. Especially that people new to LENR type technology are swamped with that discussion instead of being able to see the really interesting topics. I hope that some of them find there way here like I did in better times a little over a year and a half ago and fell the inspiration, belief and hope for the future that I continue to have. But in this little storm from a few (maybe half a dozen or so?) loud noisy people there are is some amazing insights and clarities coming from real engineers like Engineer48 and others that clarify and correct each negative point that comes up that just make me more and more inspired about how this may all possibly work and it’s applications. I’ve seen arguments about cooking people in containers that moved to cooking people in warehouses when that argument didn’t work then flow meters discussed, pipe sizes steam temperatures and wetness vents. Each point coming up round and round and each point being proved wrong with a little investigation by smart real engineers. This only reinforces my sence that the E-Cat is something very special and right. I’m very sorry though that you have to experience this difficulty about something so beautiful. Especially when you can’t answer express your point of view due to the court case. But I think the beauty of what you have out shines all these shadows and in time we will all see it and it will be worth waiting for.
You’ve been kind enough to share with us your progress and work all these years and bring some light of hope to us.. So here is a bit of light from mine:
Something very special happened in my life a little over a week ago. After a very long wait for me and my wife we had our first baby daughter. I’m about 52 so it’s been a very long time for us and so she is very special and beautiful to us and we consider her a wonderful gift from God to us. I think when you hold such a precious gift in your hands whether it’s your child or even a very special product you’ve made from an inspired idea and hard work nothing other people say matters much you just know it’s special and her, his or it time will come in their own way and own time. But I think it’s going to be amazing.
Dear Andrea,
Related to the Feng et al. arxiv paper linked to by Magnus and also in general. I like the idea that some kind of chain reaction would be underlying LENR. Uranium is silent until one makes a large enough piece so that chain reaction occurs. Then it heats up strongly, emits radiation and can even explode fiercely if one makes the effort to put the large piece together very quickly. Also LENR is usually unobservable in ordinary matter, but seemingly can be ignited with the right conditions. A chain reaction would make it understandable why.
My point is this: From the observed time constant of LENR, can one make any conclusions concerning the particle that could be the mediator of the presumed underlying chain reaction? In nuclear fission the mediating particles are fission neutrons (i.e., 2-3 MeV neutrons). They are fast, so the chain reaction can also happen fast, which makes it possible to even have a nuclear explosion. In LENR, it seems that the time constant is at least somewhat longer, but based on it, could one draw some conclusions concerning which elementary particles or other physical mediators could act as mediators, in case of LENR? The mediators could be e.g. protons, X-rays, some wave modes, or perhaps new physics (particle X) in the Feng et al. arxiv paper. Considering the observed time constant, one might be able to rule out some of these as potential mediators in LENR.
Effectively, my question is: what is the observed timescale (one e-folding time of the power output) of LENR when the phenomenon grows fast for some reason (either on purpose or by accident). Is it several seconds, one second, 0.1 seconds, 0.01 seconds or can it be even shorter?
regards, /pekka
A new paper fitting the X particle from Be8 emission (now at 6.8 sigma) to a fifth fundamental force with a new U(1) gauge boson coupled to quarks in a way that renders it protophobic.
See, http://arxiv.org/abs/1608.03591
Do you think this is related to the Rossi Effect?
Do you think the Rossi Effect can be a laser-like amplification of X induced p+Li7 fusion ending in p+Li7+X->Be8->2He4+2X?
Frank Acland:
I repeat that I cannot give information, obviously either in positive ir in negative, about issues to be discussed in Court.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
As I received that request I was offended, but rethinking about that I decided to accept. Our foe is using the tactic to make his puppets raise mud saying stupidities of which the puppets are not liable because they, substantially, are nobody and are not officially bound to him; nor the foe is reliable, because he is saying nothing directly, he is always shielded by the puppets. This way they can disseminate slanders and repeat their lies like a commercial spot on television: repeat a message to sell a product, and people will buy it even if it is not good. I cannot disclose information that have to be disclosed in Court, and they are taking advantage of this, creating confusion. At the end I decided to comply. I wrote the truth, so at the end my emotions about this are strong, but positive.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I am not sure if you want to talk about personal things, if not than please bin this.
The oath that Jacky asked you for was very unusual and I believe it is much appreciated that you did respond on it positively. It gave me much more faith that what you are saying can be trusted. Thank you for that.
I just wonder how you felt when Jacky asked you to do this oath. What were your emotions?
Kind regards, Gerard
Daniel G. Zavela:
What a tragedy in Louisiana ! But that People are resilient, will recover soon.
Thank you for your sustain. I am working hard on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In recent discussions, which have now become ‘heated’, you said some of the E-Cat energy was absorbed in endothermic reactions.
Were these reactions only chemical in nature, or could some of these reactions be considered “endothermic nuclear reactions”? That is, the customer might have been interested in analyzing isotopes found in the ash. And some of these reaction products may have used up energy which did not become part of the thermal output.
Can this question be discussed due to legal or contractual restrictions?
Today’s news … Louisiana flooding is so bad they had to evacuate the State Governor and his family from the State mansion.
I know your task is very difficult, but the health of the earth is in the balance.
We in the CF cheering section applaud you.
Best of luck with your tests. Hope you are seeing good progress on your project plan toward home unit production.
Dear Andrea:
Every good engineer expert of thermotechnologies could list tens of ways to use 1 MW of power in a situation similar to that described for the Doral factory. All the chatters around regarding this issue are nonsense, not knowing the real situation.
Cheers,
Roby Rossi
Interesting comments on e-catworld about the oath; I understand them absolutely not as accusations toward jackie and her husband, my friend georgehants, which had good reasons to ask Rossi, but as introspections inquiring the doubts innerly alternating inside most of us during this extraordinary human saga:
Billy Jackson:
I am actually somewhat offended by this. I call not his character into question but ours.
That we required this oath to sooth our own doubts and fears belittles the man, his achievements. It shows that despite his sacrifice and dedication to the fight we have watched and at times been participants in. WE still stood before him and told him we did not believe him with out this dedication of truth…
For the first time on this board.. i can honestly say i am ashamed.
(i am not offended by the faith aspect but that we required such an oath to begin with)
Michael W Wolf:
It is IH and the skeptics that cast the cloud of doubt. Some of the accusations are even plausible. I am guilty of the accusations shaking my faith in Rossi. I am not ashamed at all, it is exactly what I expected of Rossi. Words mean things. Granted, I would never ask him to do that, but now that he has done it, it can only help him get more support against the possible libel that has been launched at him.
On another forum, absolutely brilliant poster Nevanlinna, author of an impressive number of first findings on the subject, answers to usual temptatives to discredit Andrea:
Get a grip, we begin to look more closely at the Bible in certain situations. I am attached to the character, I would not want he’s starting to feel tired.
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Thank you for your oath.
I strongly believe you are working for all of us and I agree with the defense of your Intellectual Property, to allow the investments necessary to the massive expansion of your technology.
Godspeed,
Peter
This steam methane reformed plant idea seems to fit all the data we engineers have been able to put together from the various clues and bread crumbs we have been given.
Just need the ECats superheated steam, some electricity, city water and city gas. No delivery trucks in or out as the waste and product both go up the shiny JMP pipe in the JMP proof of concept plant. Highly endothermic and very high embodied energy content. Using the very low cost ECat heat, this could really drop the cost to product Hydrogen.
Jojo:
Luckily you are not me.
The horse is harnessed, now he has to pull.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rudy:
Yes, it is true. I am trying.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Firstly, I know you cannot answer to what the customer was producing from the steam produced by the 1MW e-cat.
There seems to be some discussions as to whether there is a process which would allow you to use 1MW of heat in such a small space, with only a small amount of raw material (not much coming in or going out) and the small amount of water you can dump through the drains or hot air you can extract through the vents.
I’m hoping there is another product in the world that could use a similar amount of heat with the same set of conditions. Could you maybe describe how that would be used in the same situation. This way you do not give out any protected information but you provide an example that proves it can be done. Any calculations would make it even better
Thankyou very much and hurry up I want my e-cat!! 🙂
Stephen:
May God be with your daughter every day of her life.
Warm Regards,
Andrea
Dear Andrea,
I bet you will try to hybridize the industrial plant in construction with a part made by QuarkX, to test them in the real operation.
Cheers,
Rudy
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Many Thanks for your good wishes to my daughter.
One day In the future I will take her to visit one of your plants or a demonstration quark somewhere and tell her an amazing story about these days. I wonder what other wonders she will see in her life.
Best Regards
Stephen
Dr Andrea Rossi,
If I was you, after getting the ten millions from Cherokee Fund I’d stop working and enjoy my life leaving to them the job to develope the stuff.
Jo
Frank Acland,
I’d say that are two different things, not necessarily bound, but, of course, experience with the “pioneers” will help.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Interesting about distributed heating, I wish you well with the project. Is it necessary for your “pioneer” customers to have experience with E-Cat plants before you enter the massive production stage?
Thank you,
Frank Acland
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Neil:
It is very difficult to answer, many factors do not depend on me, while the selected industrial manufacturing as it is on course depends on me. I can assure you that I am doing all I can to make it possible in the shortes possible timespan.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Frank Acland:
Yes, the distributed heat will be the start. I will give the details when it will be in operation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Today we have:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-17-2016-will-iccf20-be-not-more.html
Short but a string warning for those arsons specialized in burning bridges staying before us .
Best wishes,
Peter
Dear Andrea,
A few weeks ago you said you thought the first commercial application for the industrial E-Cat plants would be in the field of centralized or district heating. Has this changed, or do you still feel this way, and if so are you already working in this area?
Thank you,
Frank Acland
Dr Andrea Rossi:
You already have given communication that the industrial plants manufacturing has been started, and this is for sure a milestone in the history of technology.
When do you think that also the massive production will be announced?
Thank you,
Neil
Pekka Janhunen:
I studied yesterday the paper sent us from Magnus: very interesting, but I never measured the energies involved. I do not think it can be reconciled with the so called Rossi effect.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Stephen:
Congratulations for your newborn daughter!
One billion of great wishes to her.
Thank you for your insight, I agree. Do not worry: the puppets are paid to raise mud and this is the best evidence that our foe needs mud because has not serious arguments. Let them talk, it’s just tongue displaced air. Paper tigers.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi.
It’ saddens me sometimes the endless repeated negative discussions in some forums. Especially that people new to LENR type technology are swamped with that discussion instead of being able to see the really interesting topics. I hope that some of them find there way here like I did in better times a little over a year and a half ago and fell the inspiration, belief and hope for the future that I continue to have. But in this little storm from a few (maybe half a dozen or so?) loud noisy people there are is some amazing insights and clarities coming from real engineers like Engineer48 and others that clarify and correct each negative point that comes up that just make me more and more inspired about how this may all possibly work and it’s applications. I’ve seen arguments about cooking people in containers that moved to cooking people in warehouses when that argument didn’t work then flow meters discussed, pipe sizes steam temperatures and wetness vents. Each point coming up round and round and each point being proved wrong with a little investigation by smart real engineers. This only reinforces my sence that the E-Cat is something very special and right. I’m very sorry though that you have to experience this difficulty about something so beautiful. Especially when you can’t answer express your point of view due to the court case. But I think the beauty of what you have out shines all these shadows and in time we will all see it and it will be worth waiting for.
You’ve been kind enough to share with us your progress and work all these years and bring some light of hope to us.. So here is a bit of light from mine:
Something very special happened in my life a little over a week ago. After a very long wait for me and my wife we had our first baby daughter. I’m about 52 so it’s been a very long time for us and so she is very special and beautiful to us and we consider her a wonderful gift from God to us. I think when you hold such a precious gift in your hands whether it’s your child or even a very special product you’ve made from an inspired idea and hard work nothing other people say matters much you just know it’s special and her, his or it time will come in their own way and own time. But I think it’s going to be amazing.
Kind Regards
Stephen
Dear Andrea,
Related to the Feng et al. arxiv paper linked to by Magnus and also in general. I like the idea that some kind of chain reaction would be underlying LENR. Uranium is silent until one makes a large enough piece so that chain reaction occurs. Then it heats up strongly, emits radiation and can even explode fiercely if one makes the effort to put the large piece together very quickly. Also LENR is usually unobservable in ordinary matter, but seemingly can be ignited with the right conditions. A chain reaction would make it understandable why.
My point is this: From the observed time constant of LENR, can one make any conclusions concerning the particle that could be the mediator of the presumed underlying chain reaction? In nuclear fission the mediating particles are fission neutrons (i.e., 2-3 MeV neutrons). They are fast, so the chain reaction can also happen fast, which makes it possible to even have a nuclear explosion. In LENR, it seems that the time constant is at least somewhat longer, but based on it, could one draw some conclusions concerning which elementary particles or other physical mediators could act as mediators, in case of LENR? The mediators could be e.g. protons, X-rays, some wave modes, or perhaps new physics (particle X) in the Feng et al. arxiv paper. Considering the observed time constant, one might be able to rule out some of these as potential mediators in LENR.
Effectively, my question is: what is the observed timescale (one e-folding time of the power output) of LENR when the phenomenon grows fast for some reason (either on purpose or by accident). Is it several seconds, one second, 0.1 seconds, 0.01 seconds or can it be even shorter?
regards, /pekka
Magnus:
I am studying this paper.
Thank you to bring it to the attention of our Readers and me.
See you soon in Stockolm,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
A new paper fitting the X particle from Be8 emission (now at 6.8 sigma) to a fifth fundamental force with a new U(1) gauge boson coupled to quarks in a way that renders it protophobic.
See, http://arxiv.org/abs/1608.03591
Do you think this is related to the Rossi Effect?
Do you think the Rossi Effect can be a laser-like amplification of X induced p+Li7 fusion ending in p+Li7+X->Be8->2He4+2X?
Bring on E-Cat Xaser.
Best regards,
Magnus
Dear Andrea,
EGO OUT- the newest issue is here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-16-2016-mini-interview-with-andrea.html
warmest regards,
Peter
Frank Acland:
I repeat that I cannot give information, obviously either in positive ir in negative, about issues to be discussed in Court.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Is there any truth to the suspicion of some observers that the customer’s plant was used for the production of hydrogen?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
Gerard McEk:
As I received that request I was offended, but rethinking about that I decided to accept. Our foe is using the tactic to make his puppets raise mud saying stupidities of which the puppets are not liable because they, substantially, are nobody and are not officially bound to him; nor the foe is reliable, because he is saying nothing directly, he is always shielded by the puppets. This way they can disseminate slanders and repeat their lies like a commercial spot on television: repeat a message to sell a product, and people will buy it even if it is not good. I cannot disclose information that have to be disclosed in Court, and they are taking advantage of this, creating confusion. At the end I decided to comply. I wrote the truth, so at the end my emotions about this are strong, but positive.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Philip:
Yes, I am with “her” now. Yesterday we had a problem, but we are resolving it anD studying how not to repeat it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
I am not sure if you want to talk about personal things, if not than please bin this.
The oath that Jacky asked you for was very unusual and I believe it is much appreciated that you did respond on it positively. It gave me much more faith that what you are saying can be trusted. Thank you for that.
I just wonder how you felt when Jacky asked you to do this oath. What were your emotions?
Kind regards, Gerard
Dear Dr Rossi:
What about the QuarkX today? You already with “her” today?
Cheers,
Phil
Orsobubu:
Intelligent approach.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Roby:
I totally agree.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Daniel G. Zavela:
What a tragedy in Louisiana ! But that People are resilient, will recover soon.
Thank you for your sustain. I am working hard on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Joseph Fine:
I cannot discuss in the blogs issues to be discussed in Court.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Ricky Fleming:
Everyday in all the Courts of the Christian world oaths on the Holy Bible are made.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea:
Somebody said that oaths on the Holy Bible is a sin
Dear Andrea Rossi,
In recent discussions, which have now become ‘heated’, you said some of the E-Cat energy was absorbed in endothermic reactions.
Were these reactions only chemical in nature, or could some of these reactions be considered “endothermic nuclear reactions”? That is, the customer might have been interested in analyzing isotopes found in the ash. And some of these reaction products may have used up energy which did not become part of the thermal output.
Can this question be discussed due to legal or contractual restrictions?
Just wondering,
Joseph Fine
Dear Dr. Rossi,
Today’s news … Louisiana flooding is so bad they had to evacuate the State Governor and his family from the State mansion.
I know your task is very difficult, but the health of the earth is in the balance.
We in the CF cheering section applaud you.
Best of luck with your tests. Hope you are seeing good progress on your project plan toward home unit production.
Best Regards,
Daniel G. Zavela
Dear Andrea:
Every good engineer expert of thermotechnologies could list tens of ways to use 1 MW of power in a situation similar to that described for the Doral factory. All the chatters around regarding this issue are nonsense, not knowing the real situation.
Cheers,
Roby Rossi
Interesting comments on e-catworld about the oath; I understand them absolutely not as accusations toward jackie and her husband, my friend georgehants, which had good reasons to ask Rossi, but as introspections inquiring the doubts innerly alternating inside most of us during this extraordinary human saga:
Billy Jackson:
I am actually somewhat offended by this. I call not his character into question but ours.
That we required this oath to sooth our own doubts and fears belittles the man, his achievements. It shows that despite his sacrifice and dedication to the fight we have watched and at times been participants in. WE still stood before him and told him we did not believe him with out this dedication of truth…
For the first time on this board.. i can honestly say i am ashamed.
(i am not offended by the faith aspect but that we required such an oath to begin with)
Michael W Wolf:
It is IH and the skeptics that cast the cloud of doubt. Some of the accusations are even plausible. I am guilty of the accusations shaking my faith in Rossi. I am not ashamed at all, it is exactly what I expected of Rossi. Words mean things. Granted, I would never ask him to do that, but now that he has done it, it can only help him get more support against the possible libel that has been launched at him.
On another forum, absolutely brilliant poster Nevanlinna, author of an impressive number of first findings on the subject, answers to usual temptatives to discredit Andrea:
Get a grip, we begin to look more closely at the Bible in certain situations. I am attached to the character, I would not want he’s starting to feel tired.
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Peter:
Thank you,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Thank you for your oath.
I strongly believe you are working for all of us and I agree with the defense of your Intellectual Property, to allow the investments necessary to the massive expansion of your technology.
Godspeed,
Peter
Dear Andrea,
Just published with some delay.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-15-2016-lenr-vladimir-vysotskii.html
Best wishes,
Peter
Engineer48:
Thank you for your insight.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
D.Travchenko:
Yes ( F8 ) and yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Clarence:
Thank you for your sympathy,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
Thank you for your Oath:
I believe you.
Clarence
Dear Andrea,
How is going on todat your work with the QuarkX ? Still going on also the mnufactirung of the industrial plant ?
Warm Regards,
DT
Dear Andrea,
This steam methane reformed plant idea seems to fit all the data we engineers have been able to put together from the various clues and bread crumbs we have been given.
Just need the ECats superheated steam, some electricity, city water and city gas. No delivery trucks in or out as the waste and product both go up the shiny JMP pipe in the JMP proof of concept plant. Highly endothermic and very high embodied energy content. Using the very low cost ECat heat, this could really drop the cost to product Hydrogen.
Are we getting warm?
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/ecw/rossi_customer8217s_manufacturing_process_was_endothermic/#comment-2837007786
Hank Mills:
Thank you for your insight.
Warm Regards,
A.R.