@TheFutureIsNow ,
Although the question was not directed towards myself but I am fascinated by LENRs and your question is with regards an interesting topic. Energy from the vacuum. Vacuum refers to total emptiness, which I do not agree with, with regards sub atomic physics. As the sub atomic runs out to the absolute plank length with regards the Astro and not the terrestrial, which does not do so, the enclosures within on the Astro become identity systems due to like repels like i.e. event horizons maintain stability/identity within the overriding Astro systems, which thereby provides energy from the the vacuum being Astro, LENRs are not Astro physical events but are within the confines of the terrestrial physical and therefore LE Nuclear reactions are lower reactions being more negative i.e. long wave but nevertheless very energy efficient with regards the length of their wave and the subsequent velocity and interactions of the wave. LENRs are soft sub atomic energy reactions. Regards Eric Ashworth
P.S. I do appreciate being corrected because this subject at present is a learning curve.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
I have been following your work for a long time and appreciate very much the comments.
Which are the geographic areas where your service is already available and which will be in future?
Best Regards,
Alexander Brueck
If you had to make a guess, what percentage of the power produced by the SK is from LENR and what percentage is extracted from the vacuum?
BIG DISCLAIMER: If Andrea Rossi answers this question I am asking him for a guess and his answer should not be taken as proven fact.
If the QX does extract power from the vacuum, it is even a more significant discovery because it proves the vacuum can be harnessed for the benefit of humanity.
Chuck Davis:
Some are spies, some are just open source enthusiasts. We must distinguish between “smartassity”* and candor.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
* You won’t find this in a dictionary
Dear Andrea,
I notice that the spies continue to tempt to slip some small confidential piece of the puzzle!
You are doing a good job of holding them at bay.
Warm Regards,
Chuck Davis
Recall when Video Cassette Recorders came to market, there was the Betamax vs VHS format wars. VHS won and Betamax lost everything.
Elon Musk opened his battery charging technology patents to those(including Big Auto) who wish to copy it without legal consequence. Not his Tesla car.
Why would Elon Musk do this? It was “Self Interest” of course. Having no standard for charging stations and Big Auto likely to set that standard eventually(Tesla being the small fish), Musk was making a preemptive strike to influence that standard.
In the details. One must copy the charging technology precisely with no deviation what so ever to avoid legal consequences. Thus by setting a standard, He avoids becoming the Betamax of charging technology.
In addition, Tesla has been building charging stations for their cars around the country. It’s an expensive tho necessary process. Allowing others to copy his technology spreads that cost and increases the number of charging locations at a faster pace. Note Elon Musk is in the EV business, not charging stations. These will eventually be provided by 3rd parties, the current gas station/convenience stores.
Bear in mind, If Big Auto sets the standard different from Tesla’s, Tesla could be crushed. No one wants a car that can only be charged at home. And bear in mind, Big Auto is a competitive market. Crushing competitors is just business. Tho this sounds harsh(and IS), without these competitive markets, likely we wouldn’t be on the internet. Your $400 laptop would be near $5000. There would be no reason to find cheaper ways to produce product or cut costs.
Andrea offers heat at a 20% discount. When competitors come along, he will need to find ways to become even cheaper to survive in business. Rossi is very aware of this.
Wishing you and Andrea and his team team all the best,
Adrian Ashfield:
We must not complain, we must work, make, put in operation. All the rest is pointless now.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
The author of the comment I am responding to is a homonymous of Adrian Ashfield (a.ashfield@verizon.net), therefore he is not the same person
The babblers of the Rock and Troll music need logic for dummies, they don’t realize the struggles such innovative technology faces. In my work I come across situations like this all of the time, the most recent being a new type of chimney. One day the science establishment will realize their mistake, roll out the silver rug, and make the babblers pay.
Godspeed,
AA
Yuri:
You are right, the Customer must accept the remote control made from us. Every Ecat is supplied by a red mushroom emergency botton by which it can be stopped onsite, independently from the reason. The operator that will stop the Ecat will send us immediately a warning and will ask us when to restart it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In the list you put in the answer to Eike we must consider another point: the customer must accept that the control is made from your company in remote mode.
How do you concile this if in case of emergency not dependent from the Ecat, the same Ecat has to be stopped immediately?
Bedy:
Go to http://www.ecatskdemo.com
at the beginning of the debate we will give the email addresses where to send the questions for an immediate answer; sending the questions to this blog will also be an option.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Eike:
1- must be an industrial concern or a centralized heat distribution facility
2- must give evidence that really already consumes the thermal energy he claims to need
3- must give financial references to guarantee to be able to pay the bills
4- must be in a geographic area where we are organized to serve
5- must be a well consolidated activity
6- must have all the necessary authorizations, certifications and permits necessary to make their activity
7- must have a back up in case of malfunction of the Ecat
This is the preliminar screening, after which specific situations must be analyzed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Did you think to Experimental Certifications for applications like http://raptor-aircraft.com?
By the way, you could team up with them.
Best Regards,
Chuck Davis
Could you share how you are circulating the news of the January 31st commercial presentation to potential customers? Thank you.
With much respect,
Brokeeper
When you develop an eCat to turbine engine, why not couple it into an automobile and do a non-stop for refueling trip from the East Coast to the West Coast – a Cannonball run, but at normal highway speeds. Include GPS real-time tracking and notify the news media. A proof of the long term supply of power. Alternatively, an eCat to electrical generation with an electric car. Have a documentary film made of the trip.
No need FAA approval for demonstrating an aircraft flight. But common people would believe the technology by making a cross-country trip without refueling. Solar can’t provide enough energy for highway speeds, or at night.
Steven N. Karels:
That is an R&D that continues and will be the next step after the production of heat that, obviously, is easier because direct.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Annmarie:
All that having been said, electric cars are anyway an important resource IF their columns are connected with solar plants, eolic plants or other sources not dependent on fossil fuels. It is just important to separate the myth from the reality.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Marco:
Sorry, you missed the point: the loss of efficiency is not just from the car, it is mainly from the power station that feeds the car. Therefore the pollution that is not made by the car is made on its behalf from the power station that burns fossil fuel to feed the car. The problem has not been resolved, has just been displaced from one site to the other.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Patrick Ellul:
Yes. Do the same experiment where are the power stations from which electric cars get their soup.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
I made a synthesis of your email to save time transferring it here, but I think I conserved genuinely its content. When a comment is sent by email instead of here as a comment, it takes time to me to transfer it, therefore when it is long I make a synopsis.
Steven N.Karels:
Good points, I agree on the fact that there are niches in which electric cars make sense. But we are talking of niches. I also agree on the point that all the energy sources must be integrated.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
You posted “Is somebody out there that can explain to me why electric cars save pollution, since to charge a battery we have to plug it in an outlet that gets electricity mainly from oil, gas and coal fueled plants with efficiencies that are never over 35% ?”
Like everything else, there are exceptions.
1. Imagine a home with a large solar collection farm. My sister-in-law in California has such a farm on her property. An electric car, and the household, can be powered during the day provided she doe not drive too far each day. She is retired and need only drive her car at night.
2. You live near a conventional nuclear power plant or a hydroelectric dam. Its power goes to your immediate community. An electric car’s source of power would be non-polluting.
3. An eCat local area electric power generation system, powering the businesses and home during the day and charging the electric vehicles at night, assuming eCat technology works AND is widely accepted/implemented. Time will tell.
As you have pointed out, an integrated power solution is the best approach. Reducing carbon emissions is a societal goal. Solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, and possibly eCat technolgies can find their place in such an integrated system. Economics and public policy will dictate the mix of that integrated system.
Thanks for paraphrasing parts of my email and replying with valid points of course. I was mainly not talking about CO2 pollution. CO2 in itself is not a pollutant, especially if it comes from a burnt tree that regrows in a few years. It’s the particle pollution released from car exhausts that is very unhealthy.
I encourage your readers to do the following experiment for themselves: Leave a clean tray at a busy car intersection when there is no wind. After a few hours you’ll notice a layer of pollution on the tray. This all ends up in people’s lungs. There is no such thing coming out from electric cars.
Dr Andrea Rossi,
If I have understood well:
On January 31st at 9 AM New York Time if I will go to http://www.ecatskdemo.com
I will find a link to click upon and I will be in the presentation, correct?
Regarding your question about electric cars. Even if all energy is produced with fossil fuels at 35% efficiency, electric cars reduce pollution because of efficiency:
1) Energy recover during braking
2) Maximum efficiency at every speed and regime (an hybryd Porsche of 700HP does 30Km/lt just recharghing the batteries with the 500HP low efficiency motor)
3) Engine efficiency is at most 20% and only at half the maximum power. At low speed (50km/h) you need 3Kw of power. At this power all engines have awful efficiency (probabily less than 5%) and moreover all energy is lost when you brake
4) No gear losses
At low speeds (25-30km/h, a common speed in traffic) an electric car can do 1Km with 85wh of power. The energy of 7g of gasoline (45MJ/kg the energy of gasoline, 85Wh=85*3600J=0.306MJ)… This because the energy required at low speed is cubically less than high speeds and engines at low power have awful efficiency, as i said, plus the losses in the gears, water and oil pumping, air inlet and exhaust gas outlets etc… Electric car instead have high efficiency also at low speeds.
To summarize: even not considering regenerative braking, an electric car can extract about 35%(conversion)*80%(transport)*80%(recharge)*80%(discharge+DC/AC conversion+electric motor+mechanical losses) of the energy. A petrol car at most 20% (at half the power: a 40kw car must go at 100km/h to have maximum efficiency, but for the cubic formula of the energy versus speed, it’s better to go slow, but at slow speed the efficiency is not 20%!), plus gear losses, plus other losses. Most of the time the efficiency is way under 5%…
Dear Andrea,
1- will it be possible for industries to have an E-Cat and buy the heat from it now or soon after the demonstration?
2- how much heat do they have to buy to be allowed to have an E-Cat?
3- Will you say yes to most costumers?
4- do you expect many requests?
Thank you for this blog and all the honest answers.
@TheFutureIsNow ,
Although the question was not directed towards myself but I am fascinated by LENRs and your question is with regards an interesting topic. Energy from the vacuum. Vacuum refers to total emptiness, which I do not agree with, with regards sub atomic physics. As the sub atomic runs out to the absolute plank length with regards the Astro and not the terrestrial, which does not do so, the enclosures within on the Astro become identity systems due to like repels like i.e. event horizons maintain stability/identity within the overriding Astro systems, which thereby provides energy from the the vacuum being Astro, LENRs are not Astro physical events but are within the confines of the terrestrial physical and therefore LE Nuclear reactions are lower reactions being more negative i.e. long wave but nevertheless very energy efficient with regards the length of their wave and the subsequent velocity and interactions of the wave. LENRs are soft sub atomic energy reactions. Regards Eric Ashworth
P.S. I do appreciate being corrected because this subject at present is a learning curve.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
I have been following your work for a long time and appreciate very much the comments.
Which are the geographic areas where your service is already available and which will be in future?
Best Regards,
Alexander Brueck
TheFutureIsNow:
Sorry, I do not understand.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Iggy Dalrymple:
Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
If you had to make a guess, what percentage of the power produced by the SK is from LENR and what percentage is extracted from the vacuum?
BIG DISCLAIMER: If Andrea Rossi answers this question I am asking him for a guess and his answer should not be taken as proven fact.
If the QX does extract power from the vacuum, it is even a more significant discovery because it proves the vacuum can be harnessed for the benefit of humanity.
Dear Dr Rossi,
Filiniator or GatoHQ
Best regards,
Iggy
Chuck Davis:
Some are spies, some are just open source enthusiasts. We must distinguish between “smartassity”* and candor.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
* You won’t find this in a dictionary
Dear Andrea,
I notice that the spies continue to tempt to slip some small confidential piece of the puzzle!
You are doing a good job of holding them at bay.
Warm Regards,
Chuck Davis
@ Brian and Leanne Balding
Recall when Video Cassette Recorders came to market, there was the Betamax vs VHS format wars. VHS won and Betamax lost everything.
Elon Musk opened his battery charging technology patents to those(including Big Auto) who wish to copy it without legal consequence. Not his Tesla car.
Why would Elon Musk do this? It was “Self Interest” of course. Having no standard for charging stations and Big Auto likely to set that standard eventually(Tesla being the small fish), Musk was making a preemptive strike to influence that standard.
In the details. One must copy the charging technology precisely with no deviation what so ever to avoid legal consequences. Thus by setting a standard, He avoids becoming the Betamax of charging technology.
In addition, Tesla has been building charging stations for their cars around the country. It’s an expensive tho necessary process. Allowing others to copy his technology spreads that cost and increases the number of charging locations at a faster pace. Note Elon Musk is in the EV business, not charging stations. These will eventually be provided by 3rd parties, the current gas station/convenience stores.
Bear in mind, If Big Auto sets the standard different from Tesla’s, Tesla could be crushed. No one wants a car that can only be charged at home. And bear in mind, Big Auto is a competitive market. Crushing competitors is just business. Tho this sounds harsh(and IS), without these competitive markets, likely we wouldn’t be on the internet. Your $400 laptop would be near $5000. There would be no reason to find cheaper ways to produce product or cut costs.
Andrea offers heat at a 20% discount. When competitors come along, he will need to find ways to become even cheaper to survive in business. Rossi is very aware of this.
Wishing you and Andrea and his team team all the best,
Hot regards,
Dan C.
Adrian Ashfield:
We must not complain, we must work, make, put in operation. All the rest is pointless now.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
The author of the comment I am responding to is a homonymous of Adrian Ashfield (a.ashfield@verizon.net), therefore he is not the same person
The babblers of the Rock and Troll music need logic for dummies, they don’t realize the struggles such innovative technology faces. In my work I come across situations like this all of the time, the most recent being a new type of chimney. One day the science establishment will realize their mistake, roll out the silver rug, and make the babblers pay.
Godspeed,
AA
Yuri:
You are right, the Customer must accept the remote control made from us. Every Ecat is supplied by a red mushroom emergency botton by which it can be stopped onsite, independently from the reason. The operator that will stop the Ecat will send us immediately a warning and will ask us when to restart it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In the list you put in the answer to Eike we must consider another point: the customer must accept that the control is made from your company in remote mode.
How do you concile this if in case of emergency not dependent from the Ecat, the same Ecat has to be stopped immediately?
Alessio S.:
Enough to satisfy the demand.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Bedy:
Go to
http://www.ecatskdemo.com
at the beginning of the debate we will give the email addresses where to send the questions for an immediate answer; sending the questions to this blog will also be an option.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
David Pierini
Yes. It is installed in the Ecat SK.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Orsobubu:
He,he,he..
Thank you for the warnings.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Ila Gabak:
He,he,he…
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Eike:
1- must be an industrial concern or a centralized heat distribution facility
2- must give evidence that really already consumes the thermal energy he claims to need
3- must give financial references to guarantee to be able to pay the bills
4- must be in a geographic area where we are organized to serve
5- must be a well consolidated activity
6- must have all the necessary authorizations, certifications and permits necessary to make their activity
7- must have a back up in case of malfunction of the Ecat
This is the preliminar screening, after which specific situations must be analyzed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
Which are the characteristics that a potential customer must have to be fit for the Ecat?
I watched http://www.ecatskdemo.com
It appears you made sad the guys that bet on the scratch!
On january 31st I will win 100 Euro.
Thank you,
Ila
Dear Andrea:
Rossi said: “red sky in the evening, good weather tomorrow”
better:
“Red sky at night, shepherd’s (or sailor’s) delight”
the opposite:
“Red sky in the morning, shepherd’s warning”
A brand new invention by the orsobubu:
“After the January presentation, queue no more at the gas station”
Dr Rossi,
will be shown also the remote control system at the presentation on http://www.ecatskdemo.com ?
How will be able to put questions during the presentation?
Cheers
Bedy
Dear Andrea Rossi,
How much plants per week can you install at the beginning?
Monty:
The final decision will be mine.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea.
In your answer to Lars you wrote:
3- we will say yes to all the Customers that will be fit for the Ecat
Who will be the judge for which company will be “fit” for the Ecat?
regards
monty
Chuck Davis:
Thank you for the suggestion.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Did you think to Experimental Certifications for applications like http://raptor-aircraft.com?
By the way, you could team up with them.
Best Regards,
Chuck Davis
Italo R.:
1- yes
2- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
If not confidential, can you tell us if:
1 – You are already in contact with potential customers
2 – You already have new confirmed customers.
Thank you
Sincerely,
Italo R.
Brokeeper:
This information is confidential.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Could you share how you are circulating the news of the January 31st commercial presentation to potential customers? Thank you.
With much respect,
Brokeeper
Steven N. Karels:
Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
When you develop an eCat to turbine engine, why not couple it into an automobile and do a non-stop for refueling trip from the East Coast to the West Coast – a Cannonball run, but at normal highway speeds. Include GPS real-time tracking and notify the news media. A proof of the long term supply of power. Alternatively, an eCat to electrical generation with an electric car. Have a documentary film made of the trip.
No need FAA approval for demonstrating an aircraft flight. But common people would believe the technology by making a cross-country trip without refueling. Solar can’t provide enough energy for highway speeds, or at night.
Steven N. Karels:
That is an R&D that continues and will be the next step after the production of heat that, obviously, is easier because direct.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Anything you can say on the eCat integration testing with a jet engine?
Annmarie:
All that having been said, electric cars are anyway an important resource IF their columns are connected with solar plants, eolic plants or other sources not dependent on fossil fuels. It is just important to separate the myth from the reality.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea:
I totally agree about your position on the electric cars
Lars:
1- yes
2- depends on the specific situations
3- we will say yes to all the Customers that will be fit for the Ecat
4- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Marco:
Sorry, you missed the point: the loss of efficiency is not just from the car, it is mainly from the power station that feeds the car. Therefore the pollution that is not made by the car is made on its behalf from the power station that burns fossil fuel to feed the car. The problem has not been resolved, has just been displaced from one site to the other.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Karen:
Yes, exactly.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Patrick Ellul:
Yes. Do the same experiment where are the power stations from which electric cars get their soup.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
I made a synthesis of your email to save time transferring it here, but I think I conserved genuinely its content. When a comment is sent by email instead of here as a comment, it takes time to me to transfer it, therefore when it is long I make a synopsis.
Steven N.Karels:
Good points, I agree on the fact that there are niches in which electric cars make sense. But we are talking of niches. I also agree on the point that all the energy sources must be integrated.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
You posted “Is somebody out there that can explain to me why electric cars save pollution, since to charge a battery we have to plug it in an outlet that gets electricity mainly from oil, gas and coal fueled plants with efficiencies that are never over 35% ?”
Like everything else, there are exceptions.
1. Imagine a home with a large solar collection farm. My sister-in-law in California has such a farm on her property. An electric car, and the household, can be powered during the day provided she doe not drive too far each day. She is retired and need only drive her car at night.
2. You live near a conventional nuclear power plant or a hydroelectric dam. Its power goes to your immediate community. An electric car’s source of power would be non-polluting.
3. An eCat local area electric power generation system, powering the businesses and home during the day and charging the electric vehicles at night, assuming eCat technology works AND is widely accepted/implemented. Time will tell.
As you have pointed out, an integrated power solution is the best approach. Reducing carbon emissions is a societal goal. Solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, and possibly eCat technolgies can find their place in such an integrated system. Economics and public policy will dictate the mix of that integrated system.
Dear Andrea,
Thanks for paraphrasing parts of my email and replying with valid points of course. I was mainly not talking about CO2 pollution. CO2 in itself is not a pollutant, especially if it comes from a burnt tree that regrows in a few years. It’s the particle pollution released from car exhausts that is very unhealthy.
I encourage your readers to do the following experiment for themselves: Leave a clean tray at a busy car intersection when there is no wind. After a few hours you’ll notice a layer of pollution on the tray. This all ends up in people’s lungs. There is no such thing coming out from electric cars.
Best regards.
Patrick
Dr Andrea Rossi,
If I have understood well:
On January 31st at 9 AM New York Time if I will go to
http://www.ecatskdemo.com
I will find a link to click upon and I will be in the presentation, correct?
Dear Andrea,
Regarding your question about electric cars. Even if all energy is produced with fossil fuels at 35% efficiency, electric cars reduce pollution because of efficiency:
1) Energy recover during braking
2) Maximum efficiency at every speed and regime (an hybryd Porsche of 700HP does 30Km/lt just recharghing the batteries with the 500HP low efficiency motor)
3) Engine efficiency is at most 20% and only at half the maximum power. At low speed (50km/h) you need 3Kw of power. At this power all engines have awful efficiency (probabily less than 5%) and moreover all energy is lost when you brake
4) No gear losses
At low speeds (25-30km/h, a common speed in traffic) an electric car can do 1Km with 85wh of power. The energy of 7g of gasoline (45MJ/kg the energy of gasoline, 85Wh=85*3600J=0.306MJ)… This because the energy required at low speed is cubically less than high speeds and engines at low power have awful efficiency, as i said, plus the losses in the gears, water and oil pumping, air inlet and exhaust gas outlets etc… Electric car instead have high efficiency also at low speeds.
To summarize: even not considering regenerative braking, an electric car can extract about 35%(conversion)*80%(transport)*80%(recharge)*80%(discharge+DC/AC conversion+electric motor+mechanical losses) of the energy. A petrol car at most 20% (at half the power: a 40kw car must go at 100km/h to have maximum efficiency, but for the cubic formula of the energy versus speed, it’s better to go slow, but at slow speed the efficiency is not 20%!), plus gear losses, plus other losses. Most of the time the efficiency is way under 5%…
Regards,
Marco.
Dear Andrea,
1- will it be possible for industries to have an E-Cat and buy the heat from it now or soon after the demonstration?
2- how much heat do they have to buy to be allowed to have an E-Cat?
3- Will you say yes to most costumers?
4- do you expect many requests?
Thank you for this blog and all the honest answers.
TheFutureIsNow:
Thank you for your insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.