Rachel:
It’s 08.05 a.m. of Sunday Jan 3rd
E-Cat 1 MW stable, mostly in ssm.
E-Cat X in operation, still promising to make the dream true.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Can you give us some ballpark figures about payback timeframes, costs, business gross value related to your “dream” published here at 00.00.01 of Jan 1st 2016 ?
Thank you,
Richard
Tom Conover:
Yes, this has been the victory of Tesla against Edison. Edison tried to obstaculate Tesla forbidding to sell bulb lamps to Westinghouse. Tesla has been the most important inventor of the last 200 years. For example, Guglielmo Marconi could never make his radiotransmissions without copying the patents of Tesla and the General Electric of Edison could never become what it became without copying the alternate current technology invented by Tesla.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I guess Prof. Norman Cook was informed of the recent breakthrough with the E-Cat X. Curious to know about his reaction.
Was he surprised or was he expecting all of this?
Dott.Rossi,
Thanks for previous answers, I was guessing on the DC because of the absence of moving parts and external for the extreme environment inside but better ask.
I’ll rephrase one of my questions.
–> What ranges of Volt and Ampere per unit can each module express? Orders of magnitude would be “good enough”. Ex: 1-100 Volt 0,1-10 Ampere.
As an alternative the “native” V-A values are fixed?
Can Street Lights replace or supplent power plants using ESPN funding?
After browsing the “cost” of operating street lamps, it occurs to me that the city staff that maintains the street lights of towns and cities could also be the staff that maintains their city generators. The street lamps could in theory supplement and even replace power plants in some situations. Street lights currently consume a substantial amount of funding for cities to operate them, this would be the first time in history that street lighting could actually be self funding, in that a negative cost for operating them is achieved, because of their contributions to the powering of both the residential and industrial applications in the cities that choose to deploy these lamps.
One of the first battles came at the World’s Fair of 1893 in Chicago. One of the most visited exhibits was one on electricity. At night the fair was lit by electricity. Who would light the fair would soon light the world. Unbeknownst to General Electric, George Westinghouse, armed with Tesla’s new induction motor, proposed to light the fair for $399,000. Westinghouse won the contract. The effect of winning the bid would change history. Tesla’s AC polyphase system would be on display for not only the US to see, but the whole world. At night, the fair became a scene of wonderment as the lights displayed the wonder of the fair and its location.
“If evenings at the fair were seductive, the nights were ravishing. The lamps that laced every building and walkway produced the most elaborate demonstration of electric illumination ever attempted and the first large-scale test of alternating current. The fair alone consumed three times as much electricity as the entire city of Chicago. These were important engineering milestones, but what visitors adored was the sheer beauty of seeing so many lights ignited in one place, at one time. It “was like getting a sudden vision of Heaven.”
Hello dr. Rossi:
I am forwarding few comments of my readers attached to the publication of your message of oo: oo: o1
Nunzio Sciveres “What a luck is on his side .. fortune favors the bold, and he undoubtedly is. I hope that he realizes his dream, the dream of millions of people on this planet will soon become true. Primarily for the poor. Planet Earth is slowly but literally dying man. He does not seem prone to be subjugated by multinationals and lobbies.
A big hug to him from my children … that one day, perhaps, will live in a cleaner world ( maybe the translation is not perfect). https://www.facebook.com/groups/235806719875659/
Can you perhaps consider building something so simple that even the certification processors are unable to resist? TEASE THEM! How about a simple street lamp for our highways? This is an industrial product for the cities to use, and certified operators would run the lights. One lamp lights ten poles perhaps. You can already print the component to a board, use your dream to light the highways of the USA! Savings would be massive, and upgrades could be done as the network of your work expands from one test state to the entire United States of America. The testing you need to do for the next two years could be completed on a positive revenue basis, and allow massive upgrades to be installed as the network grows to maturity. By the time you get half way across the continent, you will likely have replaced a few small power plants here and there, just because you can. As you get to the other side of the continent, you will be able to power a metropolis. I read a story once that starts out “In the beginning everything was dark. Let’s light up the town!”
Just asking, “Can you build a light bulb?”. Is it really your dream? Wouldn’t the certification processors let you sell light bulbs after this to the general public?
Italo R.:
I hope 2 years. But, while tech depends on us, regulations and certifications don’t. Applications managed by a public service could be easier to certify, though, since the operation would be controlled by certified professionals. Therefore the “dream” could be eased.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
1. Many want an off the grid system.
2. They want it to meet all their energy needs “conveniently”.
3. And they want it to be very economical. Cheap???
Want #1 can be Achieved.
A standalone system for minimum safety would require 3 X-cat units, each with it’s own electronics, each linked to supply power to each other. A battery capacity to start just 1 X-cat is all that would be need as the 1 X-cat could provide the power to start the other 2 X-cat units. You have a mini micro-grid.
Want #3 is already in question because of the 3x factor in hardware cost.
Want #2 can be Achieved.
Each of the 3 X-cat’s being 10KWh each provides power even at peak periods.
Convenience however, has a cost. 90% of the time you do not need peak energy production. If the real value of the energy you are producing is 2 cents a kilowatt hour, and your discarding 90% of that, the kilowatt hours you’re making use of is costing you 20 cents each as you must include the cost of the energy you discard.
This situation could be alleviated by separating convenience from #2, but I don’t think most people would like waiting 10 or 20 minutes for the system to ramp up every time they want to turn on an appliance. And battery energy storage cost would result in a net zero savings. You’ve merely shifted the cost. Also, powering down 1 or 2 of the X-cats likely voids the minimum safety factor.
Want #3 can not be achieved in conjunction with Wants #1 and #2 at an individual residential scale. I’m sure someone will point out an exception, but in general it can’t be accomplished.
So, you can achieve #1 & #2 uneconomically, or you can achieve #2 and #3 if #3 includes connection to a localized micro-grid. Localized being a neighborhood or city micro-grid.
Dott.Rossi,
1) is the e-cat X generating DC or AC ?
2) What ranges of V-A per unit as is today?
3) If is AC, is what is the frequency?
4) is that frequency stable as needed to be on te grid?
5) how do you gather the current ? Inside the vessel or outside?
Thanks, happy new year, Gherardo
Dear Andrea,
From your first public demonstration of the low-temperature E-Cat in 2011 until the finish of the 1 year successful (F9) installation of the 1 MW plant in this February it has gone 5 years. Hopefully you then will get many orders for 1 MW plants.
The E-Cat X is just newborn and a lot of work remains until commercialization. The difference is that now you have an experienced team and a granted US patent. But with a high temperature device you will run into many new challenges. Do you estimate/hope that the commercialization of the E-Cat X is less than 2 years from now?
Dear Dr. Rossi, the E-Cat-X has certainly now great difficulty to be used among the common people. Not for capabilities that are close to real using, but for the enormous restrictions that regulations oblige to apply.
I imagine that you are working on both fronts – technology and regulations. Can you predict the timing? Thank you
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Now that e-cat X produces easily electric power, are you still keeping the idea that e-cat has to integrate with other sources of energy?
I see “safety” issues… but only for your person…
Dear Andrea,
I have two unrelated questions, if you will:
1/ Does the E-cat X tolerate vibrations when running hot? This property would be relevant in all car applications.
2/ In the US. patent, it is mentioned (page 9, left column, line 20) that mica layers are covered by “a protective polymer coating”. I think that most or all polymers decompose or melt already at relatively low temperature. Is the idea that the polymer coating purposefully outgasses and carbonises itself when first run, like what happens in the production process of carbon fibres?
regards, /pekka
Mr Andrea Rossi:
Today Dr Fabiola Giannotti has been nominated the new General Director of CERN.
This confirms what you said: when women in nuclear physics are good, they are very good.
Cheers,
Winnie
Dr.Rossi and Readers, problem solved.
When someone like Steven asks questions like, a,b,c,d,e,f.
Then you respond 10 Post’s later.
First I read question a, then I scroll down 10 Post’s to read answer a.
Then I read answer b.
Then I scroll back up 10 Post’s to read question b, hoping I will remember
answer b.
Now I wait until all the responses and answers are Posted.
Then I Google:
Rossi Blog Reader
Then I click on, Rossi Blog Reader
Now RIGHT BELOW every Post with questions or a comment, is Dr. Rossi’s
answers or comment.
Robert Curto
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
USA
Dr Andrea Rossi,
What you are achieving with the E-Cat X heralds a global revolution, if you produce billions of pcs.
This is a game changer, with lower costs of energy, transportations, mitigation of climate change, economic revolution: all this will go beyond your dream.
We are ready to sustain your revolution.
Jag Karuah
Andreas Moraitis:
I have a good experience in this field, because I made many plants that produced electric energy from organic materials driven by the grid. There are specific control systems for the purpose; they can also disconnect the generator from the grid if necessary for the time necessary to the reparations.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Robert Curto:
This is why the invention of Dr Vitaly Uzikov is important. I hope the paper he wrote in collaboration with his daughter Irina will help this technology to be experimented.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Hugh De Vries:
the devices you citeuse plutonium as a heat source to make the Seebeck effect.
The E-Cat does not use or produce radioactive materials.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Rachel:
It’s 08.05 a.m. of Sunday Jan 3rd
E-Cat 1 MW stable, mostly in ssm.
E-Cat X in operation, still promising to make the dream true.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Andrea Rossi,
Can we have an updte today?
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Can you give us some ballpark figures about payback timeframes, costs, business gross value related to your “dream” published here at 00.00.01 of Jan 1st 2016 ?
Thank you,
Richard
Bob:
1- same, but electricity to the load obviously, can be switched off/on instantaneously
2- c
3- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi
1. Does the invention of the E-CatX producing electricity have a shorter or longer start up time compared to the original E-CatX?
2. Does the discovery of producing electricity with the E-CatX,
a. Simplify, or
b. Make more difficult, or
c. Have no effect on
developing the theoretical framework you are working on with Prof. Cook?
3. Have you found a mathematician to help you out?
Thanks
Bob
Oeystein Lande:
As I said, the description and data of the E-Cat Xwill be published after the completion of the preliminar tests.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tom Conover:
Thank you for your suggestion.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear mr Rossi, correction to last question;
I mean no wires that collect currents from the wafer ? (there are obvious wires to the heater…)
Tom Conover:
Yes, this has been the victory of Tesla against Edison. Edison tried to obstaculate Tesla forbidding to sell bulb lamps to Westinghouse. Tesla has been the most important inventor of the last 200 years. For example, Guglielmo Marconi could never make his radiotransmissions without copying the patents of Tesla and the General Electric of Edison could never become what it became without copying the alternate current technology invented by Tesla.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear mr Rossi,
OK so not Seebeck effect….. And you have no wires directly connected to the wafer?
Tom Conover:
Thank you for your insight and the related links.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Oestein Lande:
No, we do not use the Seebeck effect.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Albert N.:
Obviously he is informed and we’ll share the data necessary to carry on our theoretical work.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gherardo:
I will give these data,as well as many others, when we will have completed the preliminar tests phase.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr.Rossi,
I guess Prof. Norman Cook was informed of the recent breakthrough with the E-Cat X. Curious to know about his reaction.
Was he surprised or was he expecting all of this?
Warm Regards
Albert N
Dott.Rossi,
Thanks for previous answers, I was guessing on the DC because of the absence of moving parts and external for the extreme environment inside but better ask.
I’ll rephrase one of my questions.
–> What ranges of Volt and Ampere per unit can each module express? Orders of magnitude would be “good enough”. Ex: 1-100 Volt 0,1-10 Ampere.
As an alternative the “native” V-A values are fixed?
Thanks, Gherardo
Dear mr. Rossi,
You say you collect current externaly from ecat-x as DC current.
Do you mean by Seebeck effect?
Dear Andrea,
Can Street Lights replace or supplent power plants using ESPN funding?
After browsing the “cost” of operating street lamps, it occurs to me that the city staff that maintains the street lights of towns and cities could also be the staff that maintains their city generators. The street lamps could in theory supplement and even replace power plants in some situations. Street lights currently consume a substantial amount of funding for cities to operate them, this would be the first time in history that street lighting could actually be self funding, in that a negative cost for operating them is achieved, because of their contributions to the powering of both the residential and industrial applications in the cities that choose to deploy these lamps.
The light gets brighter!
Tom
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Who Will Light This Land?
One of the first battles came at the World’s Fair of 1893 in Chicago. One of the most visited exhibits was one on electricity. At night the fair was lit by electricity. Who would light the fair would soon light the world. Unbeknownst to General Electric, George Westinghouse, armed with Tesla’s new induction motor, proposed to light the fair for $399,000. Westinghouse won the contract. The effect of winning the bid would change history. Tesla’s AC polyphase system would be on display for not only the US to see, but the whole world. At night, the fair became a scene of wonderment as the lights displayed the wonder of the fair and its location.
“If evenings at the fair were seductive, the nights were ravishing. The lamps that laced every building and walkway produced the most elaborate demonstration of electric illumination ever attempted and the first large-scale test of alternating current. The fair alone consumed three times as much electricity as the entire city of Chicago. These were important engineering milestones, but what visitors adored was the sheer beauty of seeing so many lights ignited in one place, at one time. It “was like getting a sudden vision of Heaven.”
Hello dr. Rossi:
I am forwarding few comments of my readers attached to the publication of your message of oo: oo: o1
Nunzio Sciveres “What a luck is on his side .. fortune favors the bold, and he undoubtedly is. I hope that he realizes his dream, the dream of millions of people on this planet will soon become true. Primarily for the poor. Planet Earth is slowly but literally dying man. He does not seem prone to be subjugated by multinationals and lobbies.
A big hug to him from my children … that one day, perhaps, will live in a cleaner world ( maybe the translation is not perfect).
https://www.facebook.com/groups/235806719875659/
Dear Andrea,
Can you perhaps consider building something so simple that even the certification processors are unable to resist? TEASE THEM! How about a simple street lamp for our highways? This is an industrial product for the cities to use, and certified operators would run the lights. One lamp lights ten poles perhaps. You can already print the component to a board, use your dream to light the highways of the USA! Savings would be massive, and upgrades could be done as the network of your work expands from one test state to the entire United States of America. The testing you need to do for the next two years could be completed on a positive revenue basis, and allow massive upgrades to be installed as the network grows to maturity. By the time you get half way across the continent, you will likely have replaced a few small power plants here and there, just because you can. As you get to the other side of the continent, you will be able to power a metropolis. I read a story once that starts out “In the beginning everything was dark. Let’s light up the town!”
Just asking, “Can you build a light bulb?”. Is it really your dream? Wouldn’t the certification processors let you sell light bulbs after this to the general public?
Your friend,
Tom
Robert Curto:
Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Winnie:
You are right. Dr Fabiola Gianotti’s appoinment as the new General Director of CERN confirms in full what I said.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Pekka Janhunen:
1- yes
2- we have on course a new patent related to this issue: I prefer not to risk a pre-disclosure
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Silvio Caggia:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Italo R.:
I hope 2 years. But, while tech depends on us, regulations and certifications don’t. Applications managed by a public service could be easier to certify, though, since the operation would be controlled by certified professionals. Therefore the “dream” could be eased.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Karl- Henrik Malmqvist:
yes ( projection).
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Edwin:
130,000 hours ( projections)
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gherardo:
1- DC
2- n.a.
3- n.a.
4- n.a.
5- outside
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dan C.:
Thank you for your insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dan C.:
Cool!
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
We are the “Intelligent Species” on this planet???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyALQA3XxJs
My friends at NASA tell me that at this precise moment, An Alien lifeform did a flyby looking for intelligent life. They didn’t stop…
Dear Andrea,
1. Many want an off the grid system.
2. They want it to meet all their energy needs “conveniently”.
3. And they want it to be very economical. Cheap???
Want #1 can be Achieved.
A standalone system for minimum safety would require 3 X-cat units, each with it’s own electronics, each linked to supply power to each other. A battery capacity to start just 1 X-cat is all that would be need as the 1 X-cat could provide the power to start the other 2 X-cat units. You have a mini micro-grid.
Want #3 is already in question because of the 3x factor in hardware cost.
Want #2 can be Achieved.
Each of the 3 X-cat’s being 10KWh each provides power even at peak periods.
Convenience however, has a cost. 90% of the time you do not need peak energy production. If the real value of the energy you are producing is 2 cents a kilowatt hour, and your discarding 90% of that, the kilowatt hours you’re making use of is costing you 20 cents each as you must include the cost of the energy you discard.
This situation could be alleviated by separating convenience from #2, but I don’t think most people would like waiting 10 or 20 minutes for the system to ramp up every time they want to turn on an appliance. And battery energy storage cost would result in a net zero savings. You’ve merely shifted the cost. Also, powering down 1 or 2 of the X-cats likely voids the minimum safety factor.
Want #3 can not be achieved in conjunction with Wants #1 and #2 at an individual residential scale. I’m sure someone will point out an exception, but in general it can’t be accomplished.
So, you can achieve #1 & #2 uneconomically, or you can achieve #2 and #3 if #3 includes connection to a localized micro-grid. Localized being a neighborhood or city micro-grid.
Happy New Year,
Dan C.
Dott.Rossi,
1) is the e-cat X generating DC or AC ?
2) What ranges of V-A per unit as is today?
3) If is AC, is what is the frequency?
4) is that frequency stable as needed to be on te grid?
5) how do you gather the current ? Inside the vessel or outside?
Thanks, happy new year, Gherardo
Dr Andrea Rossi:
What is the expected life of an E.Cat X?
Thak you,
Edwin
Dear Andrea,
From your first public demonstration of the low-temperature E-Cat in 2011 until the finish of the 1 year successful (F9) installation of the 1 MW plant in this February it has gone 5 years. Hopefully you then will get many orders for 1 MW plants.
The E-Cat X is just newborn and a lot of work remains until commercialization. The difference is that now you have an experienced team and a granted US patent. But with a high temperature device you will run into many new challenges. Do you estimate/hope that the commercialization of the E-Cat X is less than 2 years from now?
Best Regards,
Karl-Henrik
Dear Dr. Rossi, the E-Cat-X has certainly now great difficulty to be used among the common people. Not for capabilities that are close to real using, but for the enormous restrictions that regulations oblige to apply.
I imagine that you are working on both fronts – technology and regulations. Can you predict the timing? Thank you
Kind Regards,
Italo R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Now that e-cat X produces easily electric power, are you still keeping the idea that e-cat has to integrate with other sources of energy?
I see “safety” issues… but only for your person…
Dear Andrea,
I have two unrelated questions, if you will:
1/ Does the E-cat X tolerate vibrations when running hot? This property would be relevant in all car applications.
2/ In the US. patent, it is mentioned (page 9, left column, line 20) that mica layers are covered by “a protective polymer coating”. I think that most or all polymers decompose or melt already at relatively low temperature. Is the idea that the polymer coating purposefully outgasses and carbonises itself when first run, like what happens in the production process of carbon fibres?
regards, /pekka
Mr Andrea Rossi:
Today Dr Fabiola Giannotti has been nominated the new General Director of CERN.
This confirms what you said: when women in nuclear physics are good, they are very good.
Cheers,
Winnie
Dr.Rossi and Readers, problem solved.
When someone like Steven asks questions like, a,b,c,d,e,f.
Then you respond 10 Post’s later.
First I read question a, then I scroll down 10 Post’s to read answer a.
Then I read answer b.
Then I scroll back up 10 Post’s to read question b, hoping I will remember
answer b.
Now I wait until all the responses and answers are Posted.
Then I Google:
Rossi Blog Reader
Then I click on, Rossi Blog Reader
Now RIGHT BELOW every Post with questions or a comment, is Dr. Rossi’s
answers or comment.
Robert Curto
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
USA
Jag Karuah:
Before revolution we need workation.
A terrific work is waiting for us. We will do.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Andrea Rossi,
What you are achieving with the E-Cat X heralds a global revolution, if you produce billions of pcs.
This is a game changer, with lower costs of energy, transportations, mitigation of climate change, economic revolution: all this will go beyond your dream.
We are ready to sustain your revolution.
Jag Karuah
Andreas Moraitis:
I have a good experience in this field, because I made many plants that produced electric energy from organic materials driven by the grid. There are specific control systems for the purpose; they can also disconnect the generator from the grid if necessary for the time necessary to the reparations.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Since you mentioned safety: I wonder what would happen with an E-Cat that is driven by the grid in case of a power outage?
Best regards, and happy New Year
Andreas Moraitis
Bill Hayes:
Likewise wishes to you.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Christofer Calder:
Thank you for your insight.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Robert Curto:
This is why the invention of Dr Vitaly Uzikov is important. I hope the paper he wrote in collaboration with his daughter Irina will help this technology to be experimented.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Hugh De Vries:
the devices you citeuse plutonium as a heat source to make the Seebeck effect.
The E-Cat does not use or produce radioactive materials.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Eernie 1:
Very intelligent.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Warm Regards
A.R.