If you are now contemplating an “infinite COP” E-Cat configuration, does this mean that you are satisfied with the viability of direct electricity production from the E-Cat SK?
Then I must not understand what you fully mean by “infinite COP”. Please clarify. Is your envisioned system one that:
a. Other than start-up, requires no external power input?
b. Runs forever, without consuming some sort of fuel?
c. The control system consumes no energy, or this is no control system?
Steven N. karels:
Thank you for your opinion, but I do not agree, because one thing is to have an apparatus that at the output has also the energy that consumes, another thing is to have the necessity of the energy source.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
You posted “Please allow me too answer to your answer to Chuck Davis: in nuclear reactors you consume fuel, therefore the COP cannot be infinite, as well as hydrocarbon fueled systems.”
Your definition of Coefficient of Performance (effective COP) is Output power / Input power. If the input goes to zero, then the effective COP is infinity. This does not mean that nuclear reactors do not consume fuel — they do. I assume you are not saying that the eCat generates power without consuming its fuel. The effective COP of infinity simply means that no external power is needed to control the unit and the unit outputs some power.
Steven N. Karels:
Please allow me too answer to your answer to Chuck Davis: in nuclear reactors you consume fuel, therefore the COP cannot be infinite, as well as hydrocarbon fueled systems.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Domenico Canino:
Please offer my deepest thanks to that Italian physicist of ENEA. By the way: what he stated is true. The best paradigma is the idiot that time ago wrote on a house organ forum this phrase, after I explained in a comment the concept of the definition of kWh/h: ” The poor kid [it was me, n.d.a.] does not know that in kWh/h the two ‘h’ cancel each other and remains only kW ”
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
1- No
2- Yes, otherwise I’d not put on it the mole of work we are making, but this does not mean we will succeed
3- Working also on that
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
1. It sounds as if you made a change in thoughts, when you replied to me now working on an infinite COP E-Cat. In the past you often said that you thought it could not be done because of safety. Can you say what changed your thoughts?
2. How optimistic are you that you will succeed in your infinite COP quest?
Anyway, though indirect an e.g. E-Cat-turbine-generator combination may lead to the same result, when looking to the whole assembly.
I hope you will succeed in your strive soon.
Thanks. Kind regards, Gerard
Dear Andrea,
an Italian ENEA physicist told me: “Generally those who criticize Rossi are not able to understand even a line of his research on nuclear physics published on Researchgate”.
History of electrical generation with infinite COP: Nuclear reactors (as long as the fuel lasts); gasoline-based generators (until you run out of gasoline). The eCat-SK Electric would be just another electricity generator but clean nuclear based.
Frank Acland:
This could be a possible option, but attention: the R&D on course could go well, but it also could fail. We are working very, very hard on it, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea:
A person I know that recently spoke with you told me your voice not returned yet. How is your health? Please regard yourself,
Cheers
Rosita
Dear Andrea,
If you are able to make an ssm system that uses its own electricity, the COP becomes infinite and any measurement becomes superfluous. This could really be the most important invention of the last 10 thousand years.
JPR
With regards to direct conversion to electricity, may we rightfully assume that unless the conversion efficiency (from thermal energy to electricity) exceeds about 40%, the more efficient generation would be via a Carnot cycle (e.g., steam generation followed by turbine conversion to electricity) based implementation?
Or, are there other considerations that would make a lower (direct conversion) conversion efficiency acceptable?
Buck:
a) possibly
b) the R&D is on course, the results could be worse or better than that
c,d,e) same as above
f) not yet.
Thank you for your kind wishes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Is it reasonable to assume:
a) that the ECat SK, rated at 22kW, performs in a similar fashion?
b) that your current testing of the more robust and advanced ECat SK also shows direct electricity production, however with the range both narrower and more stable?
c) at maybe 2 – 10% of rated output?
d) at maybe 4 – 10% of rated output?
e) at maybe 6 – 10% of rated output?
On a different note, you have shared that the installed base of ECat SK’s have performed with a few bumps in the road. Have your customers begun to express interest in expanding their respective contracts with you/Leonardo Inc.?
As always, my best to you, your team, and your tennis coach.
Anonymous:
You must make a clear distinction between to be ready to supply heat to industrial concerns, where we maintain the control of the operation of the plant, with prompt assistance we are organized for in the specific place, and the sale of apparatuses “off the shelf”, for which we have not yet reached the necessary reliability and the necessary certifications.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
A.L.:
Photon capture is a very generic term: I’d say no, but I must add that it depends on what exactly you mean when you define “photons capture”.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
cortese Andrea R.,
like in the last presentation I would like to give a question…..
if there are no IR why is so difficult to have a safety certification?
Are there other problems to solves?
Thanks a lot
Buona SS. Pasqua a Lei e tutto il Suo Staff
Gerard McEk:
We are still in the R&D phase, but obviously that is what we want. If we succeed the COP becomes infinite. This is why I am now working on it at the maximum of my intellectual and physical force. Maybe it will be a failure, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Can you tell us if the E-Cat SK that you are testing for direct electricity production already produces more electricity then that the control system is using at the same time?
Thank you.
Kind regards, Gerard
Dear Dr Rossi,
Is the technology you are testing to make electricity directly from the Ecat based on a new form of photon capture system? It looks logic watching http://www.ecatskdemo.com
Hello A. Rossi
I thank you for your empathy for us. We lived a terrible night with the fire of Notre Dame de Paris. More than a sadness, France today lives a national mourning like the Italians when La Fenice burned in the nineties. In this drama, he salutes the formidable work of the Paris firefighters who evacuated the site in order and who fought the flames all night long. The fire did not kill a victim despite the number of people in and around the site.
We must also thank the donors who raised 400,000 € at the time I write these few lines. We can give on this site: https://www.fondation-patrimoine.org/
Your E-Cat operates at temperatures of 1 eV, I hope you correctly calculate the fire risk.
All my support for your commercial and R & D work
Best regards
Raffaele
Maybe the world does not have a coal problem, but an evaluation problem: last year about 50 coal fired utilities have been terminated, but the US Energy Information Administration reported that in 2018 the coal export has topped the highest level ever: ???
Dear Readers:
I want to send to our French friends my expression of a profound sympathy for the very emotional moment we all passed through today when we knew of the devastating fire in the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. I have been in Paris many, many times and I know that Notre Dame is the icon of the Spirit of the great people of France. I am sure that, as always, France will remake well all that has been destroyed, but what happened today has a global resonance: I feel like myself have lost for ever something.
My strongest sympathy for all the French persons that follow these lines,
Andrea Rossi
Regarding your ongoing design & development of E-Cat > gas turbine > electric generators, from past comments I would understand that your eventual target would be towards the largest units possible for economies of scale in the production of electricity, the design and development for this I suspect will be multi-year, for near future use would you also consider the use of your E-Cats with smaller combined heat & power micro gas turbines?
For example, the Italian company Ansaldo Energia has a micro turbine unit the AE-T100E that uses an external heat exchanger (intended for the bio-gas / solar concentrator market), it is likely that an external heat exchanger would be more easily designed for use with E-Cats and possibly more robust in operation being disconnected from gas turbine vibration.
For application, this kind of small E-Cat powered combined heat & power unit could be ideal for commercial greenhouses in northern countries, commercial greenhouses can range from small to extremely large, for example one of the latest generation of greenhouses recently constructed in the UK just north east of London for the company Sterling Suffolk Ltd, has a greenhouse 54400 m^2 in area, the first of three, these will be heated by two 6.0 MW gas fired boilers, featuring hydroponics and specialist pink LED growing lights, with a target of growing 7000 metric tonnes of tomatoes a year – UK consumption of fresh tomatoes is over 490000 tonnes a year.
Dear Andrea,
If you are now contemplating an “infinite COP” E-Cat configuration, does this mean that you are satisfied with the viability of direct electricity production from the E-Cat SK?
Kind regards and thanks,
Frank Acland
Steven N. Karels:
a
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Then I must not understand what you fully mean by “infinite COP”. Please clarify. Is your envisioned system one that:
a. Other than start-up, requires no external power input?
b. Runs forever, without consuming some sort of fuel?
c. The control system consumes no energy, or this is no control system?
Steven N. karels:
Thank you for your opinion, but I do not agree, because one thing is to have an apparatus that at the output has also the energy that consumes, another thing is to have the necessity of the energy source.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
You posted “Please allow me too answer to your answer to Chuck Davis: in nuclear reactors you consume fuel, therefore the COP cannot be infinite, as well as hydrocarbon fueled systems.”
Your definition of Coefficient of Performance (effective COP) is Output power / Input power. If the input goes to zero, then the effective COP is infinity. This does not mean that nuclear reactors do not consume fuel — they do. I assume you are not saying that the eCat generates power without consuming its fuel. The effective COP of infinity simply means that no external power is needed to control the unit and the unit outputs some power.
If I mis-understand your comments, please advise.
Dear Readres:
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published in other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven N. Karels:
Please allow me too answer to your answer to Chuck Davis: in nuclear reactors you consume fuel, therefore the COP cannot be infinite, as well as hydrocarbon fueled systems.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Domenico Canino:
Please offer my deepest thanks to that Italian physicist of ENEA. By the way: what he stated is true. The best paradigma is the idiot that time ago wrote on a house organ forum this phrase, after I explained in a comment the concept of the definition of kWh/h: ” The poor kid [it was me, n.d.a.] does not know that in kWh/h the two ‘h’ cancel each other and remains only kW ”
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
1- No
2- Yes, otherwise I’d not put on it the mole of work we are making, but this does not mean we will succeed
3- Working also on that
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
1. It sounds as if you made a change in thoughts, when you replied to me now working on an infinite COP E-Cat. In the past you often said that you thought it could not be done because of safety. Can you say what changed your thoughts?
2. How optimistic are you that you will succeed in your infinite COP quest?
Anyway, though indirect an e.g. E-Cat-turbine-generator combination may lead to the same result, when looking to the whole assembly.
I hope you will succeed in your strive soon.
Thanks. Kind regards, Gerard
Dear Andrea,
an Italian ENEA physicist told me: “Generally those who criticize Rossi are not able to understand even a line of his research on nuclear physics published on Researchgate”.
Chuck Davis,
History of electrical generation with infinite COP: Nuclear reactors (as long as the fuel lasts); gasoline-based generators (until you run out of gasoline). The eCat-SK Electric would be just another electricity generator but clean nuclear based.
Frank Acland:
This could be a possible option, but attention: the R&D on course could go well, but it also could fail. We are working very, very hard on it, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Does your ‘infinite COP’ E-Cat concept make use of a battery as an an energy storage device?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
@JPR
In my opinion there has been no discovery in the history of men that could compare with an electricity generator with infinite COP !
Chuck Davis
Frank Acland:
I work always with my Team !
Warmest Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Are you working solo on your Infinite COP project, or with your partner’s experts also?
Kind regards,
Frank Acland
Steven N. Karels:
There are, but it is premature to explain. We are working ( very, very hard ) on this issue.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
JPR:
It would be. I agree.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rosita:
My health is perfect, my voice not so, but what is important is what I do, not what I say.
Thank you for your kind concern,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea:
A person I know that recently spoke with you told me your voice not returned yet. How is your health? Please regard yourself,
Cheers
Rosita
Dear Andrea,
If you are able to make an ssm system that uses its own electricity, the COP becomes infinite and any measurement becomes superfluous. This could really be the most important invention of the last 10 thousand years.
JPR
Dear Andrea Rossi,
With regards to direct conversion to electricity, may we rightfully assume that unless the conversion efficiency (from thermal energy to electricity) exceeds about 40%, the more efficient generation would be via a Carnot cycle (e.g., steam generation followed by turbine conversion to electricity) based implementation?
Or, are there other considerations that would make a lower (direct conversion) conversion efficiency acceptable?
Buck:
a) possibly
b) the R&D is on course, the results could be worse or better than that
c,d,e) same as above
f) not yet.
Thank you for your kind wishes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Good Day Andrea:
On June 14, 2016, you shared an internal report that was posted on E-Catworld.com, It stated the QuarkX directly produced electricity at 0 – 10% of its rated output of 100W.
Link>> https://e-catworld.com/2016/06/14/report-on-preliminary-findings-from-e-cat-quarkx-testing-posted-on-ecat-com/
Is it reasonable to assume:
a) that the ECat SK, rated at 22kW, performs in a similar fashion?
b) that your current testing of the more robust and advanced ECat SK also shows direct electricity production, however with the range both narrower and more stable?
c) at maybe 2 – 10% of rated output?
d) at maybe 4 – 10% of rated output?
e) at maybe 6 – 10% of rated output?
On a different note, you have shared that the installed base of ECat SK’s have performed with a few bumps in the road. Have your customers begun to express interest in expanding their respective contracts with you/Leonardo Inc.?
As always, my best to you, your team, and your tennis coach.
Respectfully,
Buck
Gian Luca:
We are resolving the problems.
Happy Easter also to you and your family!
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Anonymous:
You must make a clear distinction between to be ready to supply heat to industrial concerns, where we maintain the control of the operation of the plant, with prompt assistance we are organized for in the specific place, and the sale of apparatuses “off the shelf”, for which we have not yet reached the necessary reliability and the necessary certifications.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Ben:
I think so, yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
A.L.:
Photon capture is a very generic term: I’d say no, but I must add that it depends on what exactly you mean when you define “photons capture”.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
cortese Andrea R.,
like in the last presentation I would like to give a question…..
if there are no IR why is so difficult to have a safety certification?
Are there other problems to solves?
Thanks a lot
Buona SS. Pasqua a Lei e tutto il Suo Staff
Dear Readers,
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find other commenys published today on other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
We are still in the R&D phase, but obviously that is what we want. If we succeed the COP becomes infinite. This is why I am now working on it at the maximum of my intellectual and physical force. Maybe it will be a failure, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Can you tell us if the E-Cat SK that you are testing for direct electricity production already produces more electricity then that the control system is using at the same time?
Thank you.
Kind regards, Gerard
Dear Dr Rossi,
Is the technology you are testing to make electricity directly from the Ecat based on a new form of photon capture system? It looks logic watching http://www.ecatskdemo.com
If your search for the dorect electricity production will be successful, will you explain it by e development of your immense paper
http://www.researchnet.com/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
that is the most read paper among all the publications og nuclear physics in the last years?
Godspeed,
Ben
Raffaele Bongo:
With sense of duty I publish your link.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hello A. Rossi
I thank you for your empathy for us. We lived a terrible night with the fire of Notre Dame de Paris. More than a sadness, France today lives a national mourning like the Italians when La Fenice burned in the nineties. In this drama, he salutes the formidable work of the Paris firefighters who evacuated the site in order and who fought the flames all night long. The fire did not kill a victim despite the number of people in and around the site.
We must also thank the donors who raised 400,000 € at the time I write these few lines. We can give on this site:
https://www.fondation-patrimoine.org/
Your E-Cat operates at temperatures of 1 eV, I hope you correctly calculate the fire risk.
All my support for your commercial and R & D work
Best regards
Raffaele
Colin Watters:
…and what does that writing stay for?
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers:
Please go to http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published today on other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rod Walton:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Maybe the world does not have a coal problem, but an evaluation problem: last year about 50 coal fired utilities have been terminated, but the US Energy Information Administration reported that in 2018 the coal export has topped the highest level ever: ???
Szymon Blachuta forgets to mention ho ho ho 🙂
Dear Readers:
I want to send to our French friends my expression of a profound sympathy for the very emotional moment we all passed through today when we knew of the devastating fire in the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. I have been in Paris many, many times and I know that Notre Dame is the icon of the Spirit of the great people of France. I am sure that, as always, France will remake well all that has been destroyed, but what happened today has a global resonance: I feel like myself have lost for ever something.
My strongest sympathy for all the French persons that follow these lines,
Andrea Rossi
KeithT:
Thank you for the interesting suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Regarding your ongoing design & development of E-Cat > gas turbine > electric generators, from past comments I would understand that your eventual target would be towards the largest units possible for economies of scale in the production of electricity, the design and development for this I suspect will be multi-year, for near future use would you also consider the use of your E-Cats with smaller combined heat & power micro gas turbines?
For example, the Italian company Ansaldo Energia has a micro turbine unit the AE-T100E that uses an external heat exchanger (intended for the bio-gas / solar concentrator market), it is likely that an external heat exchanger would be more easily designed for use with E-Cats and possibly more robust in operation being disconnected from gas turbine vibration.
For application, this kind of small E-Cat powered combined heat & power unit could be ideal for commercial greenhouses in northern countries, commercial greenhouses can range from small to extremely large, for example one of the latest generation of greenhouses recently constructed in the UK just north east of London for the company Sterling Suffolk Ltd, has a greenhouse 54400 m^2 in area, the first of three, these will be heated by two 6.0 MW gas fired boilers, featuring hydroponics and specialist pink LED growing lights, with a target of growing 7000 metric tonnes of tomatoes a year – UK consumption of fresh tomatoes is over 490000 tonnes a year.
Regards,
Keith Thomson.
Angel carl Riffeser:
Thank you for your attention to the work of our Team, from the Country of the great Nelson Mandela.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Great content, thank you for sharing this with the world. We follow the Ecat evolution also here in Johannesburg.
Cheers
ACR
Manfred K:
No.
You can see what I use in my patent and on http://www.evatskdemo.com
and on
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Do you use sodium?
Thank for your work and for the information you give about your inventions,
Manfred K from Germany
Frank Acland:
a) yes
b) no
c) yes
d) yes
All resolved ( so far )
Warm Regards,
A.R.