Prof:
The problem is that the concept of thermodynamic principles is much more difficult than it appears and most are not able to take in account the meaning of the word “system” and the consequent distinctions it demands at the different degrees of entropy.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
For the E-Cat SK units currently with customers producing heat, are any of these customers running performance / reliability / stability acceptance tests with further orders dependant on results.
Proton Technologies along with the University of Calgary have developed a method of extracting Hydrogen from Oil Sands and bitumen. Their method involves injecting Oxygen or high temperature steam to increase the temperature of the oil sands/bitumen which then produces Hydrogen that is collected at the surface.
Instead of injecting Oxygen, E-Cat SK-Leonardo product(s) could provide high grade heat (~ 500 deg. C) to reduce the cost of producing Hydrogen. (I do not want to inject large quantities of O2 underground with Hydrogen present.)
This method would use small amounts of Hydrogen to produce large amounts of Hydrogen.
Edmund Thatcher:
We have also protons. Among other, we have a good evidence of a balance between protons and electrons having accelerated up to 200 000 V electrons in parallel with the plasma by a Van Der Graaf accelerator and not noticing deviations of the plasma axis toward or opposed to the ahis of the electrons generated by the Van Der Graaf.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
The plasma we cann see in http://www.ecatskdemo.com contains also protons, or only electrons?
Thank you if you can answer,
Edmund
Speculate:
It does.
The first principle of thermodynamic is related to systems. In the Ecat System there is a charge. In an atom there is not only the energy that usually is exploited, there are many other sources, so that the FPT is respected.
If you read http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
you can find a hint of which sources we are talking about in our system.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven N. Karels:
Obviously when we talk of permanent self sustaining mode in LENR we do not refer to a universal independence of source: we refer to independence from powers sources external to the Ecat ( electric or thermal or whatever else ), not from the intrinsic atomic structure of the system. Obviously we have a charge, that is descrived in my patent, and obviously we consume it.
The charge does not generate any emission that could pollute the environment, the heat generated is for use, not for waste and the cost is 1/1000 per kWh respect the cost of fossil fuels.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Nothing in this universe can have a permanent Self-Sustaining Mode (SSM). Fuel will be consumed and so the operation is limited in time. My car is in a “SSM” as long as it has gasoline in the fuel tank. When the gasoline is gone, the SSM ends. There is nothing magical about SSM. All commercial powerplants work until they run out of fuel.
Regarding whether Andrea is lying, lying requires deceit, not just incorrect or speculative information. So unless Andrea is “conning us”, he would not be lying even if he does not achieve SSM.
Dear Andrea,
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have carefully read your paper ‘E-cat SK and long range particle interactions’ and read in your conclusion that you must have seen signatures of electron clusters (or formation of ‘dense aggregates’) in the E-cat SK and found a theoretical explanation for that in that paper.
However, that in itself does not explain how energy is generated in an Ecat. The paper is part of a framework to come to that, I believe. No doubt your theory has developed further. Are you already progressed so much that you think you are able to explain that as well?
If so, when you you think to publish that part?
Thanks for answering our questions.
Kind regards, Gerard
Bingo:
Yese, there is a continuation: the SK respect the QX has resolved the issue of the overheating , allowing higher power; the continuation between the publicaions can be seen in par 1 of the publication on Researchgate, wherein the paper Gulldstrom-Rossi is in Ref 14.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
I watched your presentation of the Ecat QX made in Stockholm om November 24th 2017, its solid calorimetric measurement and the lecture of Carl oscar Gullstrom about theoretical considerations. Is there a continuation between the Ecat QX there shown with the new Ecat SK Leonardo with direct producton of electricity and is there a continuation between that theoretical assumption and your paper published on Researchgate http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Thanks if you can answer
I have been studying the recently published article ‘Towards the exit from the middle ages’ by Ch. Stremmenos. Being a none academic I find this article extremely interesting and informative with regards the problem of why academia has a problem accepting LENR technology. This problem, I believe, rests entirely on the none understanding of energy and a refusal of not pursuing specific lines of investigation that could take away this so called mystery, LENRs. being one of them. The coulomb barrier and the methods to overcome it are not difficult to explain or even demonstrate (from my perspective). Firstly, what is the purpose of the barrier and can it be overcome?. Without the barrier there would be no identifying of an atomic structure i.e. no identity because atoms would merge together by unequal charge i.e. attraction resulting in annihilation (Einstein mentioned this phenomena but never put forward a theory) but fortunately the barrier allows for molecules to be produced while maintaining atomic identities within the structure. As I have mentioned many times I have designed a propulsion mechanism based upon interacting curvature forces that provide a linear force for the purpose of propulsion based upon what I believe to be the closest thing to a mechanical atom. I did encounter an annoying problem, resulting in the mechanism being attracted to any object in its close vicinity i.e. being entangled in the mechanisms outer surrounding force field. This problem was eventually overcome by amplifying the inner oscillations into the outer field providing an artificial coulomb barrier. When this was achieved the unit became individualized by a static boundary layer (static because because it vibrated rapidly) resulting in a technology that is able to demonstrate the ‘static and mobile mechanics of energy interaction’. Needless to say the mechanism and the theory able to be demonstrated and explained is currently banned as a technology deemed before its time. From what I believe there are two solutions to the overcoming of this barrier referred to as the coulomb barrier. One being to shrink the object that includes its outer field so as to minimize the wave oscillations on the outer field and thereby get the elements close enough together for entanglement to occur. The other method is to drive the outer field away by expansion i.e. high temperature so as to expose the inner nucleus by disintegration of its outer protective oscillating wave. The high temperature method, as we all know, can result in a runaway reaction that can result in dangerous high levels of nuclear radiation. The cold fusion method is obviously the safest way to go as you are gently coaxing the elements protective barriers together by reduction of the amplitude of the outer wave oscillations. Thereby cold as opposed to hot to overcome the barrier should be the preferred method. This, I believe, is not difficult to understand. To produce heat you need particles. To produce cold you need the opposite, no particles which involves a value of gravity of the quantum vacuum. J A Wheeler and Richard Feynman put forward a theory entitled ‘Absolute Theory’ involving interacting waves that, I believe, is able to explain material structure from neutrinos and the quantum vacuum. It can therefore be comprehended that the atom structure is formed by electrical energy. Neutrinos are not structures being single units of no potential. Also ‘Loop quantum gravity’ proposed by Carlo Rovelli is well documented and helps explain the conservation of energy within a steady state system being the Quantum vacuum. Randell Mills with his theory that states, that the hydrogen atom is able to enter into a lower ground state that involves degrees of shrinkage resulting in what he terms a hydrino makes perfect sense when you understand the mechanism behind the coulomb barrier. So from my perspective I say lets not dwell upon what is proposed as a none understanding of energy that presents an excuse for not accepting LENRs as a valid technology but lets focus on the reason for this denial of an understanding by the establishment to cover up a branch of science regarding energy with its unlimited possibilities and I do believe it is not just a financial issue but an issue of global proportions that involves an integration of human understanding at the highest level and as we know it takes one technology to open a door into another, curiosity is a healthy human activity. From what I understand the quest for enabling a LENR to enter a self sustain mode hinges on a sufficient quantity of highly charged electrical energy to be generated but I am no expert simply making an assumption. This I would consider as the holy grail in scientific research. Is it possible?. My own thoughts are yes but not using our presently known methods with regards conventional generator designs but a method based upon an understanding of volume and size values when applied to electrical charges. This I will put forward for consideration with regards the design of an integral ‘Super Neutral Generator’ a requirement I believe that is also required to produce the ‘Woodward Effect’ see Wikipedia. To design an interstellar craft requires a vehicle with two systems of propulsion and an onboard LEN reactor although I am well aware Andrea you are not interested in an Interstellar craft.
Regards Eric Ashworth.
Dr Rossi,
in http://www.ecatskdemo.com I noticed that there are different temperatures in the plasma of the “ballerina”: can you tell us the min and max T ?
Sam:
Ferragosto ( August 15th ) celebrates for the Roman Catholic Church the Assumption of the Virgin in Heaven. Before the Christianism it was a pagan celebration of the Feriae Augusti ( from which derives the name “Ferragosto” ) in honor of the emperor Caesar Octavianus Augustus.
For the Italians it marks also a period of rest from work for almost the totality of them. It is a tradition for Italians to exchange wishes of “Buon Ferragosto”. I assume everybody knows that “Buon” in Italian means “Good”. Today almost all the Italians are in vacation. I have taken three days of vacation during which I visited in New York, NY, the most beautiful planetarium of the world, where I learnt many things.
Tomorrow back to work. Gotta make the Ecat SK permanently in SSM, and our Team will do it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rick Meisinger:
Thank you for the interesting link. Now we are focused more on our ground.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
For your information: Presidential Memorandum on Launch of Spacecraft Containing Space Nuclear Systems. https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-presidential-memorandum-on-launch-of-spacecraf-1837419175
It sounds like your E-Cat powered jet engine technology may be just the right technology to keep the USA the leader in Space well into the future.
Anonymous:
I am still optimist,
Warm regards,
A.R.
Prof:
The problem is that the concept of thermodynamic principles is much more difficult than it appears and most are not able to take in account the meaning of the word “system” and the consequent distinctions it demands at the different degrees of entropy.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Joseph Fine:
Thank you for your information. It is interesting, but still green.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Keith T.:
yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
For the E-Cat SK units currently with customers producing heat, are any of these customers running performance / reliability / stability acceptance tests with further orders dependant on results.
Regards,
Keith Thomson.
Dr. Rossi,
Proton Technologies along with the University of Calgary have developed a method of extracting Hydrogen from Oil Sands and bitumen. Their method involves injecting Oxygen or high temperature steam to increase the temperature of the oil sands/bitumen which then produces Hydrogen that is collected at the surface.
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-scientists-hydrogen-gas-oil-bitumen.html
http://proton.energy/acquisition-superb-test-oil-gas-facility-complete/
http://proton.energy/hygenic-earth-energy/ (What they call: “HEE” )
Instead of injecting Oxygen, E-Cat SK-Leonardo product(s) could provide high grade heat (~ 500 deg. C) to reduce the cost of producing Hydrogen. (I do not want to inject large quantities of O2 underground with Hydrogen present.)
This method would use small amounts of Hydrogen to produce large amounts of Hydrogen.
HEE HEE = (Hygenic Earth Energy)^2
Best regards,
Joseph Fine
Dear Andrea:
Your answer to Speculate is perfect.
All the best,
Prof
Edmund Thatcher:
We have also protons. Among other, we have a good evidence of a balance between protons and electrons having accelerated up to 200 000 V electrons in parallel with the plasma by a Van Der Graaf accelerator and not noticing deviations of the plasma axis toward or opposed to the ahis of the electrons generated by the Van Der Graaf.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rod Walton:
Thank you for the info,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Sam:
Thank you for your kind attention to the work of our team,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi:
Congratulation for the important publication
http://www.researchnet.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Its coherence with
http://www.ecatskdemo.com
makes it the most important paper in the LENR sector of the last 20 years, as shown from the almost 30000 readres and the hundreds of recommendations your paper has been prized with.
Ad majora,
Sam
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
The plasma we cann see in http://www.ecatskdemo.com contains also protons, or only electrons?
Thank you if you can answer,
Edmund
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Rod Walton
Steven N. Karels:
He,he,he…
Warm regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
And you speak better Italian than I do – since I speak none. LOL. Have a good night.
Steven N. Karels:
Surely you speak English better than me!
Maybe self-sufficient is more proper.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
per·ma·nent
/ˈpərmənənt/
adjective
adjective: permanent
1.
lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely.
As I have learned in Law School “Words Matter”
When you say “permanent”, you suggest “forever”. Perhaps a better adjective would be “independent” or “self-sufficient”?
Speculate:
It does.
The first principle of thermodynamic is related to systems. In the Ecat System there is a charge. In an atom there is not only the energy that usually is exploited, there are many other sources, so that the FPT is respected.
If you read
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
you can find a hint of which sources we are talking about in our system.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Nice, but how does Your answer relate to my comment ?
Steven N. Karels:
Obviously when we talk of permanent self sustaining mode in LENR we do not refer to a universal independence of source: we refer to independence from powers sources external to the Ecat ( electric or thermal or whatever else ), not from the intrinsic atomic structure of the system. Obviously we have a charge, that is descrived in my patent, and obviously we consume it.
The charge does not generate any emission that could pollute the environment, the heat generated is for use, not for waste and the cost is 1/1000 per kWh respect the cost of fossil fuels.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Speculate:
The thermodynamic principles refer to a system, not to part of it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
If the device operates in SSM, You will have the entire physics society against You, because You then have overunity.
I wonder, how You are trying to deal with that issue….
Bunny Ridell,
Nothing in this universe can have a permanent Self-Sustaining Mode (SSM). Fuel will be consumed and so the operation is limited in time. My car is in a “SSM” as long as it has gasoline in the fuel tank. When the gasoline is gone, the SSM ends. There is nothing magical about SSM. All commercial powerplants work until they run out of fuel.
Regarding whether Andrea is lying, lying requires deceit, not just incorrect or speculative information. So unless Andrea is “conning us”, he would not be lying even if he does not achieve SSM.
Sam:
Thank you for your contribution and congratulations to your daughter for her graduation!
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
When it will be ready.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have carefully read your paper ‘E-cat SK and long range particle interactions’ and read in your conclusion that you must have seen signatures of electron clusters (or formation of ‘dense aggregates’) in the E-cat SK and found a theoretical explanation for that in that paper.
However, that in itself does not explain how energy is generated in an Ecat. The paper is part of a framework to come to that, I believe. No doubt your theory has developed further. Are you already progressed so much that you think you are able to explain that as well?
If so, when you you think to publish that part?
Thanks for answering our questions.
Kind regards, Gerard
Hello DR Rossi
This is an interesting lecture that
might add to the knowledge you gained
about the Universe on your trip to NY.
https://youtu.be/hLp15co2D-A
It took place at the Perimeter Institute
in Waterloo Ontario Canada.
My daughter graduated from the
University of Waterloo.
Regards
Sam
Bingo:
Yese, there is a continuation: the SK respect the QX has resolved the issue of the overheating , allowing higher power; the continuation between the publicaions can be seen in par 1 of the publication on Researchgate, wherein the paper Gulldstrom-Rossi is in Ref 14.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Bunny Ridell:
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Kyle:
I reached the hope, so far.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
After reading
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
and watching the correspontent parts on
http://www.ecatskdemo.com
I reached the convinction that you are going to make the permanently self sustaining Ecat and it will be a global revolution.
Good luck,
Kyle
I think you will never make anything with a permanent ssm and that you are just lying.
I wonder why.
Dr Rossi,
I watched your presentation of the Ecat QX made in Stockholm om November 24th 2017, its solid calorimetric measurement and the lecture of Carl oscar Gullstrom about theoretical considerations. Is there a continuation between the Ecat QX there shown with the new Ecat SK Leonardo with direct producton of electricity and is there a continuation between that theoretical assumption and your paper published on Researchgate
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Thanks if you can answer
Eric Ashworth:
Thank you for your insight.
I think Prof Stremmenos will respond to you.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Sam:
Thank you for the information,
Warm Regards
A.R.
Hello DR Rossi
This is a link to an interesting
article about heat shields.
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-shield-atoms-thick-electronic-devices.html
Regards
Sam
Dear Christos Stremmenos and Andrea,
I have been studying the recently published article ‘Towards the exit from the middle ages’ by Ch. Stremmenos. Being a none academic I find this article extremely interesting and informative with regards the problem of why academia has a problem accepting LENR technology. This problem, I believe, rests entirely on the none understanding of energy and a refusal of not pursuing specific lines of investigation that could take away this so called mystery, LENRs. being one of them. The coulomb barrier and the methods to overcome it are not difficult to explain or even demonstrate (from my perspective). Firstly, what is the purpose of the barrier and can it be overcome?. Without the barrier there would be no identifying of an atomic structure i.e. no identity because atoms would merge together by unequal charge i.e. attraction resulting in annihilation (Einstein mentioned this phenomena but never put forward a theory) but fortunately the barrier allows for molecules to be produced while maintaining atomic identities within the structure. As I have mentioned many times I have designed a propulsion mechanism based upon interacting curvature forces that provide a linear force for the purpose of propulsion based upon what I believe to be the closest thing to a mechanical atom. I did encounter an annoying problem, resulting in the mechanism being attracted to any object in its close vicinity i.e. being entangled in the mechanisms outer surrounding force field. This problem was eventually overcome by amplifying the inner oscillations into the outer field providing an artificial coulomb barrier. When this was achieved the unit became individualized by a static boundary layer (static because because it vibrated rapidly) resulting in a technology that is able to demonstrate the ‘static and mobile mechanics of energy interaction’. Needless to say the mechanism and the theory able to be demonstrated and explained is currently banned as a technology deemed before its time. From what I believe there are two solutions to the overcoming of this barrier referred to as the coulomb barrier. One being to shrink the object that includes its outer field so as to minimize the wave oscillations on the outer field and thereby get the elements close enough together for entanglement to occur. The other method is to drive the outer field away by expansion i.e. high temperature so as to expose the inner nucleus by disintegration of its outer protective oscillating wave. The high temperature method, as we all know, can result in a runaway reaction that can result in dangerous high levels of nuclear radiation. The cold fusion method is obviously the safest way to go as you are gently coaxing the elements protective barriers together by reduction of the amplitude of the outer wave oscillations. Thereby cold as opposed to hot to overcome the barrier should be the preferred method. This, I believe, is not difficult to understand. To produce heat you need particles. To produce cold you need the opposite, no particles which involves a value of gravity of the quantum vacuum. J A Wheeler and Richard Feynman put forward a theory entitled ‘Absolute Theory’ involving interacting waves that, I believe, is able to explain material structure from neutrinos and the quantum vacuum. It can therefore be comprehended that the atom structure is formed by electrical energy. Neutrinos are not structures being single units of no potential. Also ‘Loop quantum gravity’ proposed by Carlo Rovelli is well documented and helps explain the conservation of energy within a steady state system being the Quantum vacuum. Randell Mills with his theory that states, that the hydrogen atom is able to enter into a lower ground state that involves degrees of shrinkage resulting in what he terms a hydrino makes perfect sense when you understand the mechanism behind the coulomb barrier. So from my perspective I say lets not dwell upon what is proposed as a none understanding of energy that presents an excuse for not accepting LENRs as a valid technology but lets focus on the reason for this denial of an understanding by the establishment to cover up a branch of science regarding energy with its unlimited possibilities and I do believe it is not just a financial issue but an issue of global proportions that involves an integration of human understanding at the highest level and as we know it takes one technology to open a door into another, curiosity is a healthy human activity. From what I understand the quest for enabling a LENR to enter a self sustain mode hinges on a sufficient quantity of highly charged electrical energy to be generated but I am no expert simply making an assumption. This I would consider as the holy grail in scientific research. Is it possible?. My own thoughts are yes but not using our presently known methods with regards conventional generator designs but a method based upon an understanding of volume and size values when applied to electrical charges. This I will put forward for consideration with regards the design of an integral ‘Super Neutral Generator’ a requirement I believe that is also required to produce the ‘Woodward Effect’ see Wikipedia. To design an interstellar craft requires a vehicle with two systems of propulsion and an onboard LEN reactor although I am well aware Andrea you are not interested in an Interstellar craft.
Regards Eric Ashworth.
Dear Readers:
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published today in other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Alessandra:
Still hoping.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
M.:
Maybe.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
When and if you will introduce the Ecat permanently in ssm will you also explain the theory related to its process ?
Still hoping to complete successfully the R&D to make electricity by the plasma in measure enough to self sustain the Ecat by this year?
Gunther:
Min 2000 K, Max 24000 K
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Speculate:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
in http://www.ecatskdemo.com I noticed that there are different temperatures in the plasma of the “ballerina”: can you tell us the min and max T ?
Hi, Mr. Rossi.
Are You at work again, after Ferragosto ?
Sam:
Ferragosto ( August 15th ) celebrates for the Roman Catholic Church the Assumption of the Virgin in Heaven. Before the Christianism it was a pagan celebration of the Feriae Augusti ( from which derives the name “Ferragosto” ) in honor of the emperor Caesar Octavianus Augustus.
For the Italians it marks also a period of rest from work for almost the totality of them. It is a tradition for Italians to exchange wishes of “Buon Ferragosto”. I assume everybody knows that “Buon” in Italian means “Good”. Today almost all the Italians are in vacation. I have taken three days of vacation during which I visited in New York, NY, the most beautiful planetarium of the world, where I learnt many things.
Tomorrow back to work. Gotta make the Ecat SK permanently in SSM, and our Team will do it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hello DR Rossi
I had to look up to find out
what Ferragosto is.
This is a link for anyone
else that is interested.
https://www.thelocal.it/20190814/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ferragosto-assumption-august-15th-italy-national-public-holiday-
Regards
Sam