I really liked Dan Bad’s design. I do t know if you noticed but I saw his contribution for the parameters for you and Rick 57 in the bottom right corner of the image. What a fantastic creative way to present it !
I really admire people with this skill not just the drawing but also the practical engineering concept. And the clever way to present their input data. It’s really smart.
I recently watched the movie “Ford vs Ferrari” Intrigued by the engineering challenges of Le Mans, I googled the horsepower of Le Mans cars. It is 427 hp. This equates to 318 kW of power.
Assume an 80% conversion efficiency of eCat SKL to electricity. So about 4,000 eCat SKLs (each producing 100W of total power) operating at 80% conversion efficiency would be needed. The movie indicated that brake heating (and subsequent failure) was a major issue. However, Tesla cars can use regenerative braking, but are supplemented with traditional braking.
The 20% excess thermal heat generated would be about 80 kW. So a combination of a relatively small battery (needed to provide temporary extra power and also needed to store regenerative braking energy) might work. Plus Tesla’s low center of gravity would make turns more manageable. I understand Tesla’s smallest battery system is around 50 kW-hr of capacity. That would equate to about 10 minutes of driving – so it would be adequate for regenerative braking energy management plus occasional additional power demands.
The Tesla Roadster has a specified maximum speed of over 250 mph and a range of 620 miles. Current maximum speed in Le Mans is about 205 mph, limited by car acceleration in the straights. Le Mans goes for 24 hours. So the required range for non-refueling would be about 5,000 miles. Not a problem for an eCat SKL with a fuel lifetime of about 6 months,
If you joined with Tesla for this activity, then the only needed pit stops would be for tire and crew changes. You might have a winning combination. EV cars have faster response to power increase demands. Cooling 4,000 eCat SKLs at +100 mph air flow should not be a major design problem.
Dan Bad:
Congratulations, very beautiful interpretation. It is not applicable, for many reasons, but as a concept is very intelligent. You are a good designer indeed. Much better than me, I can swear.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
As E-Cat devices appear to contain “Nuclear” activity when operating, I was always curious as to how the E-Cats could produce a stable constant energy output over periods of months up to a year, even assuming active feedback control. My thoughts on the self-limiting nature of the process relate to this.
This dates back to a question I raised on November 19th 2018 regarding the mechanism of the constant progressive energy production.
After the E-Cat SK demo there was indication that the activity was concentrated at the cathode end of the charge (if I remember correctly this was in an answer to someone), and the charge would have been recently produced so it would have had a low number of hours of use, and as you have likely had that charge or another E-Cat SK charge under observation for a year, I was wondering if the observed hot spot of activity within the plasma has gradually migrated from the starting point at the cathode end towards the anode end as “fuel” is used up.
Dear Andrea, If I may be allowed to revise my power estimate,this is my new guess. Assuming the charge to be about half the weight of the ecat or 50 g then
50 g x .1 kW/g = 5 kW total and 5 kW x .8 eff = 4 kw of electricity.
Dear Andrea,
By these times of Coronavirus, I allow myself to draw a picture of your E-Cat SKL.
Many people wonder how your device looks.
You said it would look like a cube and could connect as a group.
Many of your followers are asking for photos and are impatient to see your product.
With the link, you can see my drawing with my interpretation of your E-Cat SKL.
Sam:
I make measurements directed by them with cameras that show all of them. They say “please do this”, I comply.
Obviously this is just a provisional methodology that has to be eventually repeated directly by them when the Covid 19 restrictions will have been lifted.
Anyway, it is useful, and very interesting, as provisional and incomplete as it might be.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
It’s hard to believe that politics do not affect the prospects for E-Cat entering the market, because it is a revolution in the energy sector.
In my opinion, this is from a political point of view, now that the oil market is in the deepest crisis, the most convenient time to announce the E-Ket in full voice and play out the inevitable stress. Oilmen will not be much worse. Taking into account that the integration of the new technology will take years, the oil market will inevitably, but slowly recover, and will not fall into the pit in which it is already located.
Don’t you think so?
My understanding is that in operation, an electronic signal is passed through the plasma within your E-Cat charge, the signal then induces activity in a locality with resulting production of an electron flow that is likely erratic and noisy, this produced electron flow will likely interfere with and disrupt the incoming signals organised structure from traveling past the locality, limiting energy production activity to only occur in the locality, through time as the available “fuel” in the locality is consumed activity will slowly migrate the position of the locality, consequently energy production is of a slow intrinsically progressive nature, it is self-limiting level stable controlled and safe over a long time period.
As you have likely had an E-Cat SK running and under observation over the last year, within the plasma, has movement of the activity locus over time been observed?
Torbjorn Johnsen:
Data received.
Thank you for your kind sustain to our Team.
You are right: in this quest we are not consudering the thermal energy.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I want to see how close I come 🙂
Ecat SK-Leonardo:
Power: 2.15 KW Power: Net power: 86% Cube side: 10x10x10 cm Weight: 1.28 kg
All the best to our wonderful Andrea and his assistants. Let us others on the sidelines continue to prepare the world for a new age. Before and after Ecat. The world will be much better with Ecat technology. It is hard to imagine all the possibilities this technology can mean for the future.
I would like to note that heat energy is not included in my calculation. Then the use of heat must be done outside the cube. Heat energy from a single or collected from a cluster Ecat SKL can be utilized by using other techniques, be it to heat or be converted to electricity. Costs and needs will determine what is right in each case.
You said the party you are currently doing testing with (remotely for now) is a client:
1- who is paying for the the testing ?
2- Is this client also a potential global partner (dependant on the results of the testing)?
Rick 57:
Thank you for the update. Obviously I cannot confirm or deny that the data that you considered out of range might really be out of range. This is just an opinion of yours.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
For everyone: UVC works fantastically well for killing microorganisms.
Here are the photos of a test setup I made a month ago, in which one sample was irradiated with UVC for one minute. Also photos of the lamp. I converted the box in which it was sent into a (light) lamp holder. An ordinary luminaire does not work because the power of the T-UVC is different from that of a TL: A standard ballast and starter for the same size of lamp do not work.
Attention: THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS! THIS CAUSES SKIN CANCER AND CATARACT! Know and understand what you are doing!
Are those entities that are testing the e-cat SKL remotely with you still continuing their test in the these weeks? Or has that phase of the testing completed and they are waiting for the period after COVID 19 when they can be present when testing.
It’s quit remarkable when you think about it. The e-cat has been in the horizon for many not directly in your team for a while now.
But for these independent entities it’s already a clear and present reality that they have witnessed. They already have a good idea if it works or not. For them it is already here. That’s a big step in some ways it’s no longer just in the view of the creators it’s now seen by some other independent people just like us. I can’t help wondering what they must be thinking. But we will hear in time.
It’s really a good opportunity to do dry runs and trial testing for more final testing and presentations later.
Dear Andrea,
1. Things appear to go slower than we (and maybe you also) expected with the tests. Is that all due to the corona doom?
2. Regarding these tests; are you assisting the test by e.g. switching it on and off, or refueling it or helping them to install sensors or what have you?
All the best, kind regards, Gerard
Being an engineer, I have chosen to use the corona-delay as a good time to think of
how E-Cat SKL could be integrated into different applications, both stationary and mobile.
It is interesting to note that most of the input I need can already be found somewhere in your blog although the correct data from the quest is not yet presented.
Of course, some data are still missing:
I have not found any indication of the Module Volume Factor (MVF). E.g. if MVF=1.2 and you combine 10 modules you reach to a total volume of 1.2 x 10 x single SKL volume
In all multimodule situations, MVF must be >1 due to the control unit/s, interconnections, the cooling arrangement, and also how you have to organize the reload of an SKL module. To achieve the most efficient handling of the SKL modules in the field I assume that a typical SKL application will consist of one or more factory prebuild power units each with x number of SKL modules.
Another missing and quite interesting data for designers is the available range of DC voltage.
Now to some related questions:
Value of the MVF-factor when combining 100 modules?
a) less than 1.3
b) 1.3 – 1.5
c) more than 1.5
d) can 100 modules be combined to generate 12-24 V DC?
e) can 100 modules be combined to generate 800 V DC?
Dear Andrea, I’m being really baffled for your anwers to them who ask for predictions on the availability of the e-cat on the shelf. You always talked about the “market proof” to demonstrate the effectiveness of your device. Recently you affirmed that the r&d phase is over but even yourself can’t suppose a forecast for the market phase of the e-cat. The sale of energy is somehow in progress but with very few info about and are limited to US industrial plants. If you keep on exploring new products and experiences the moment of delivering our booked e-cat may be delayed forever. Is’n it?
Stephen and Dan Bad:
I agree with you, and condirm to Dan Bad his data have been noted.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Anonymous:
The theory is a syncretism of all.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Salvatore Boi:
Thank you for this gift from the wonderful Sardegna.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi and kind readers, this is a piece of music for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq6OVnxf86k&feature=em-uploademail
I wish that you feel happy for it.
Dr Rossi,
I read your paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
watching at the same time
http://www.ecatskdemo.com
and I have a question: par 1,2,3,4 are still all valid, or you made a selection ?
Hi Andrea and Dan Bad,
I really liked Dan Bad’s design. I do t know if you noticed but I saw his contribution for the parameters for you and Rick 57 in the bottom right corner of the image. What a fantastic creative way to present it !
I really admire people with this skill not just the drawing but also the practical engineering concept. And the clever way to present their input data. It’s really smart.
Thanks Dan for this image of how things could be.
Best regards
Stephen
Dear Andrea Rossi,
I recently watched the movie “Ford vs Ferrari” Intrigued by the engineering challenges of Le Mans, I googled the horsepower of Le Mans cars. It is 427 hp. This equates to 318 kW of power.
Assume an 80% conversion efficiency of eCat SKL to electricity. So about 4,000 eCat SKLs (each producing 100W of total power) operating at 80% conversion efficiency would be needed. The movie indicated that brake heating (and subsequent failure) was a major issue. However, Tesla cars can use regenerative braking, but are supplemented with traditional braking.
The 20% excess thermal heat generated would be about 80 kW. So a combination of a relatively small battery (needed to provide temporary extra power and also needed to store regenerative braking energy) might work. Plus Tesla’s low center of gravity would make turns more manageable. I understand Tesla’s smallest battery system is around 50 kW-hr of capacity. That would equate to about 10 minutes of driving – so it would be adequate for regenerative braking energy management plus occasional additional power demands.
The Tesla Roadster has a specified maximum speed of over 250 mph and a range of 620 miles. Current maximum speed in Le Mans is about 205 mph, limited by car acceleration in the straights. Le Mans goes for 24 hours. So the required range for non-refueling would be about 5,000 miles. Not a problem for an eCat SKL with a fuel lifetime of about 6 months,
If you joined with Tesla for this activity, then the only needed pit stops would be for tire and crew changes. You might have a winning combination. EV cars have faster response to power increase demands. Cooling 4,000 eCat SKLs at +100 mph air flow should not be a major design problem.
Thoughts?
Dan Bad:
Congratulations, very beautiful interpretation. It is not applicable, for many reasons, but as a concept is very intelligent. You are a good designer indeed. Much better than me, I can swear.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Chuck Davis:
Thank you, your data have been received,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Readers:
Please go to
http://www.rossilivecat.com
to find comments published today in other posts of this blog,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
KeithT:
Thank you for your insight. The answer is
No.
About the “nuclear activity”of the Ecat’s operation, please go to
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
where you will find that in the Ecat do not exist the nuclear activity you cite.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
As E-Cat devices appear to contain “Nuclear” activity when operating, I was always curious as to how the E-Cats could produce a stable constant energy output over periods of months up to a year, even assuming active feedback control. My thoughts on the self-limiting nature of the process relate to this.
This dates back to a question I raised on November 19th 2018 regarding the mechanism of the constant progressive energy production.
After the E-Cat SK demo there was indication that the activity was concentrated at the cathode end of the charge (if I remember correctly this was in an answer to someone), and the charge would have been recently produced so it would have had a low number of hours of use, and as you have likely had that charge or another E-Cat SK charge under observation for a year, I was wondering if the observed hot spot of activity within the plasma has gradually migrated from the starting point at the cathode end towards the anode end as “fuel” is used up.
Regards,
Keith Thomson.
Dear Andrea, If I may be allowed to revise my power estimate,this is my new guess. Assuming the charge to be about half the weight of the ecat or 50 g then
50 g x .1 kW/g = 5 kW total and 5 kW x .8 eff = 4 kw of electricity.
Warm regards,
Chuck Davis
Dear Andrea,
By these times of Coronavirus, I allow myself to draw a picture of your E-Cat SKL.
Many people wonder how your device looks.
You said it would look like a cube and could connect as a group.
Many of your followers are asking for photos and are impatient to see your product.
With the link, you can see my drawing with my interpretation of your E-Cat SKL.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2c8FxfVWuT6rM6w8A
Best regards,
Dan Bad
KeithT:
I do not understand your question. Can you kindly rephrase ?
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Yrka:
Thank you for your opinion. I don’t bother about this issue, we proceed along our path.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Sam:
I make measurements directed by them with cameras that show all of them. They say “please do this”, I comply.
Obviously this is just a provisional methodology that has to be eventually repeated directly by them when the Covid 19 restrictions will have been lifted.
Anyway, it is useful, and very interesting, as provisional and incomplete as it might be.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hello DR Rossi
Can you give any kind of
a picture how the remote
testing with the client is done.
Regards
Sam
Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi
It’s hard to believe that politics do not affect the prospects for E-Cat entering the market, because it is a revolution in the energy sector.
In my opinion, this is from a political point of view, now that the oil market is in the deepest crisis, the most convenient time to announce the E-Ket in full voice and play out the inevitable stress. Oilmen will not be much worse. Taking into account that the integration of the new technology will take years, the oil market will inevitably, but slowly recover, and will not fall into the pit in which it is already located.
Don’t you think so?
Good luck to you and your team!
Yuri Isaev
engineer
Tyumen, Russia
Dear Andrea,
My understanding is that in operation, an electronic signal is passed through the plasma within your E-Cat charge, the signal then induces activity in a locality with resulting production of an electron flow that is likely erratic and noisy, this produced electron flow will likely interfere with and disrupt the incoming signals organised structure from traveling past the locality, limiting energy production activity to only occur in the locality, through time as the available “fuel” in the locality is consumed activity will slowly migrate the position of the locality, consequently energy production is of a slow intrinsically progressive nature, it is self-limiting level stable controlled and safe over a long time period.
As you have likely had an E-Cat SK running and under observation over the last year, within the plasma, has movement of the activity locus over time been observed?
Regards,
Keith Thomson.
George N:
No
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Frank Acland:
1- the clients
2- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Torbjorn Johnsen:
Data received.
Thank you for your kind sustain to our Team.
You are right: in this quest we are not consudering the thermal energy.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
I want to see how close I come 🙂
Ecat SK-Leonardo:
Power: 2.15 KW Power: Net power: 86% Cube side: 10x10x10 cm Weight: 1.28 kg
All the best to our wonderful Andrea and his assistants. Let us others on the sidelines continue to prepare the world for a new age. Before and after Ecat. The world will be much better with Ecat technology. It is hard to imagine all the possibilities this technology can mean for the future.
I would like to note that heat energy is not included in my calculation. Then the use of heat must be done outside the cube. Heat energy from a single or collected from a cluster Ecat SKL can be utilized by using other techniques, be it to heat or be converted to electricity. Costs and needs will determine what is right in each case.
Best regards
Dear Andrea,
I want to see if I am understanding correctly:
You said the party you are currently doing testing with (remotely for now) is a client:
1- who is paying for the the testing ?
2- Is this client also a potential global partner (dependant on the results of the testing)?
Many thanks and best wishes,
Frank Acland
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Have you ever detected Helium-3 being produced from your e-cat reactions?
Sincerely,
George N
Stephen:
Series of remote tests are on course.
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rick 57:
Thank you for the update. Obviously I cannot confirm or deny that the data that you considered out of range might really be out of range. This is just an opinion of yours.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Koen Vandewalle:
You made very well warning our Readers that UV can cause skin cancer.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Koen Vandewalle:
Thank you for the link,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Prof:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Anonymous:
Also today we are working and the SXL is doing well.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Is the SKL working also today ? How well ?
Hi, Andrea:
Is your perspective partner a global company ?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MdaeBjpURkdGFGEb9
For everyone: UVC works fantastically well for killing microorganisms.
Here are the photos of a test setup I made a month ago, in which one sample was irradiated with UVC for one minute. Also photos of the lamp. I converted the box in which it was sent into a (light) lamp holder. An ordinary luminaire does not work because the power of the T-UVC is different from that of a TL: A standard ballast and starter for the same size of lamp do not work.
Attention: THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS! THIS CAUSES SKIN CANCER AND CATARACT! Know and understand what you are doing!
Kind Regards,
Koen
Dear Andrea,
Are those entities that are testing the e-cat SKL remotely with you still continuing their test in the these weeks? Or has that phase of the testing completed and they are waiting for the period after COVID 19 when they can be present when testing.
It’s quit remarkable when you think about it. The e-cat has been in the horizon for many not directly in your team for a while now.
But for these independent entities it’s already a clear and present reality that they have witnessed. They already have a good idea if it works or not. For them it is already here. That’s a big step in some ways it’s no longer just in the view of the creators it’s now seen by some other independent people just like us. I can’t help wondering what they must be thinking. But we will hear in time.
It’s really a good opportunity to do dry runs and trial testing for more final testing and presentations later.
Thanks and Best Regards
Stephen
Dear All,
weekly update about our quest:
– Partecipants: #44
Mean values excluding a few data really out of range:
– Electrical Usable Output: 570 W
– Conversion Efficiency: 77 %
– Main Unit Volume: 771 cc
– Main Unit Weight: 473 g
Of course, actual data can be completely different so I invite Readers to not take them too much into consideration.
Warm Regards,
Riccardo
Sven B:
a) less than 1.3
d) yes
e) yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
A follower:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gerard McEk:
1- things are not going slower than expected
2- tests can only be made by remote during this period
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
1. Things appear to go slower than we (and maybe you also) expected with the tests. Is that all due to the corona doom?
2. Regarding these tests; are you assisting the test by e.g. switching it on and off, or refueling it or helping them to install sensors or what have you?
All the best, kind regards, Gerard
Dr Rossi,
Are you sure that the Ecat SKL will be massively distributed ?
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Being an engineer, I have chosen to use the corona-delay as a good time to think of
how E-Cat SKL could be integrated into different applications, both stationary and mobile.
It is interesting to note that most of the input I need can already be found somewhere in your blog although the correct data from the quest is not yet presented.
Of course, some data are still missing:
I have not found any indication of the Module Volume Factor (MVF). E.g. if MVF=1.2 and you combine 10 modules you reach to a total volume of 1.2 x 10 x single SKL volume
In all multimodule situations, MVF must be >1 due to the control unit/s, interconnections, the cooling arrangement, and also how you have to organize the reload of an SKL module. To achieve the most efficient handling of the SKL modules in the field I assume that a typical SKL application will consist of one or more factory prebuild power units each with x number of SKL modules.
Another missing and quite interesting data for designers is the available range of DC voltage.
Now to some related questions:
Value of the MVF-factor when combining 100 modules?
a) less than 1.3
b) 1.3 – 1.5
c) more than 1.5
d) can 100 modules be combined to generate 12-24 V DC?
e) can 100 modules be combined to generate 800 V DC?
Kind regards
Sven B
Claud:
I never said the R&D phase is over.
For all the rest, thank you for your opinion.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea, I’m being really baffled for your anwers to them who ask for predictions on the availability of the e-cat on the shelf. You always talked about the “market proof” to demonstrate the effectiveness of your device. Recently you affirmed that the r&d phase is over but even yourself can’t suppose a forecast for the market phase of the e-cat. The sale of energy is somehow in progress but with very few info about and are limited to US industrial plants. If you keep on exploring new products and experiences the moment of delivering our booked e-cat may be delayed forever. Is’n it?
Joya Del Sol:
I am not able to answer.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Giuseppe:
I am not able to answer, yet.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Frank Acland:
No, it means that now we are focused exclusively on the SKL for what concerns the R&D.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
When you say the previous versions of the E-Cat are not in R&D:
Does this mean that they are now obsolete because you are now only developing the E-Cat SKL?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland