United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

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  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    You are right, it is necessary to define what we mean with SSM= self sustained mode: with this term I mean a system that consumes 0.0 W from the power source. Actually, the definition is ambiguous, and can also be interpreted, as you do, as a system that supplies to itself the energy it needs without necessity of a power source: it seems that the two systems are equivalent, but they are not, so a distinction is necessary. My fault not to have understood this fact before.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    In your response to my latest questions, you responded “If you want the SSM, you need to connect the Ecat SKLep to a power source connected with the grid.”

    My understanding of SSM is that it that after initial startup, the input to the ECat SKLep must be self-powered and not require a connection to a grid driven power supply.

    Clearly there is a conflict between my understanding of SSM (Self Sustaining Mode) and yours.

    Relevant ECat SKLep operating cases

    1. The ECat SKLep input is connected to a grid driven 12VDC power supply, and outputs 100 watts of power as long as the input is maintained. Grid connection needed.

    2. The ECat SKLep input is connected to a 12VDC battery, and outputs 100 watts of power until the battery is discharged. No grid connection needed.

    3. The ECat SKLep input is connected to a 12VDC battery, and its output is connected to the same battery through a charge controller so that the batteries charge is maintained indefinitely. No grid connection needed.

    My understanding of SSM is that cases 1 and 2 are not SSM, but case 3 is. I also understand that you claim that case 3 is not yet possible.

    Question

    Do you agree with my case selections for SSM, or if not, which of the operating cases would you call SSM?

    Warm Regards,

    Dan Galburt

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto:
    Thank you for your attention to our work,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Horst Dieter Preschel:
    Thank you for your opinion.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Horst Dieter Preschel

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    I agree with what Barry Mead wrote on most points. Your answer that the connection of Ecat SKLeps is basically the same as that of solar panels is probably correct, but the issues are the small differences we don’t really know yet.

    As you wrote some time ago Ecat SKLep doesn’t drop the voltage but shut down when overloaded, which requires a perfect match between Ecats and inverters, because the inverter can’t really adapt to the output power of Ecats using MPPT. Also not really known is the output voltage range of the Ecat SKLep. I asked a few days ago if the output voltage could be set to 10.6V, but didn’t get an answer. Anyway, some preliminary data like the voltage range and maybe charts about output current and voltage should not be a secret.

    Offering help and support when you are able to deliver the Ecat SKLep is very kind, but some technical data should be available much earlier because some parts needed for a system of which the Ecat SKLep is only a part of currently have to be ordered many months in advance.

    Like Barry Mead probably a number of other people don’t know how many Ecat SKLep to order, myself included.

    With kind regards
    Horst Dieter Preschel

  • Roberto

    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
    Very interesting the last stats on Researchgates Prof got from
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interections
    In these last stats there are also the seniorities, and it is notable the fact that the paper has been read and recommended from the highest scientific echelons: some peer reviewing !
    Cheers,
    Roberto

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    1- if I understand what you say, the answer is no, so far we need the Ecat SKLep connected with a power source connected to the grid to obtain the SSM
    2- yes
    3- no
    4- no
    5- no
    If you want the SSM, you need to connect the Ecat SKLep to a power source connected with the grid.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    In your response to Frank Acland you claim that the ECat SKLep will operate when powered by a 12V battery, but will not operate in a self-sustaining mode (SSM).

    Question 1
    My understanding of SSM in the context of the ECat SKLep would be connecting the input of the ECat SKLep to a rechargeable battery while the output of the ECat SKlep it is connected to a charge controller that maintains the battery charge using some of the electric power produced by the ECat SKLep.
    Is my understanding correct?

    Question 2
    If connect a charged 12VDC battery to the input of the ECat SKLep and connect a resistive load to its output, the ECat SKLep will not be in SSM and will operate to specification.
    Is this correct?

    Question 3
    Earlier you have indicated that the ECat SKLep is capable of recharging batteries. If I setup the ECat SKLep properly, I should be able to use its output to charge a battery with its input connected to either a grid sourced 12VDC power supply, or a separate 12VDC battery. Neither case would be SSM.
    Do you agree?

    Question 4
    By swapping batteries I could charge as many as I want without a grid connection.
    Do you agree?

    Question 5
    Instead of swapping batteries I could uses relays to swap electrical connections and in effect create an SSM like condition where I periodically recharge the battery used to power the ECat SKLep
    Do you agree?

    Warm Regards

    Dan Galburt

  • Andrea Rossi

    Barry Mead:
    The connections of the Ecat SKLeps are basically the same of the solar panels. We will give assistance and consulting to our clients before the delivery, when we will be ready to deliver. Anyway, thank you for your suggestion.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Prof:
    Thank you for the update,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Prof

    Dr Rossi,
    Here are the stats of your papers on Researchgate I read now on
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
    Total Readings: 111000 ( of which 102323 only of “Ecat SK and long range particle interactions” )
    Recommendations: 7462
    Citations + Mentions: 51
    Research Interest index: 1937
    Also other interesting stats:
    Standing of Reads by Countries :
    1- Europe
    2- USA
    Reads by discipline:
    Electronic Engineers, Atomic, Molecular and Optic Physics, Experimental Physics
    Reads by seniority level:
    Post-Doc, PhD students, Professors, Senior
    And counting…
    Best regards,
    Prof

  • Barry Mead

    Dear Dr. Rossi: If I had some additional information, about working configurations of E-CAT SK-LEP units and inverters, I would increase my outstanding order. I only ordered two units, but would definitely order more if I knew that more were needed for a working system. I think you could dramatically increase your existing order numbers by providing the public with a little more information about how to connect SK-LEP units to inverters for a working system. Some recommendations as to tested brands and models would also be helpful. Perhaps some photos of working systems, and connection diagrams to make the package complete. If you have already built hundreds of SK-LEP units then I don’t see why any of these requests are unreasonable.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Michael:
    That phase will be possible when we will start the deliveries of the Ecat SKLep, for obvious reasons.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Michael

    Dear Mr. Rossi,

    thank you for your answer, but do not underestimate the credit that a youtube-influencer by his followers and viewers has.
    They trust a test more if it was made by their youtube-influencer than a test of the producer.

    Just to link an existing video of the producer in their channel? Thats something what a trustworthy youtuber will never make. An engineer (like the mentioned A.Schmitz) will do his own tests and by himself. And he also won’t accept a payment to stay trustworthy.

    Best regards
    Michael

  • Andrea Rossi

    Maozhijie:
    Yes, provided after the battery there is an inverter, but the whole seems redundant with waste of energy, albeit contingent with the specific situation,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Svein H. Vormedal:
    No,
    Warm regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Michael:
    Thank you for the information: every blogger will be able to link to any video we will put on YouTube.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Michael

    Dear Mr. Rossi,

    i am a fan of the (german speaking) youtube channel of Andreas Schmitz, an electrician/engineer.
    I would like to see him test your ecat sklep in your office. He has often hundred of thousands people who watch his videos. It would be a good promotion of your product because all of his followers are interested in this topic.

    For other languages, maybe other readers have some youtube-channel suggestions?

    Best regards
    Michael

  • Svein H Vormedal

    Dear Andrea
    Can SKLep operate in self-sustain mode (SSM) if it is plugged into a 12 V battery witch is continuosly connected to loading from 120/240V AC?
    Regards: Svein H. Vormedal

  • maozhijie

    Dear Dr. Rossi:
    Do you think is it possible that: DC battery drive an 220V AC generator and then drive 220V Ecat Sklep?

    Best wishes.

    Mao

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    1- see my answers to Frank Acland of minutes ago
    2- confidential
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank Acland:
    1- no
    2- yes
    3- yes
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Rod Carbuncal
    See
    http://Www.Ecat.com
    Watch the video.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Rod Carbuncal

    Hi Roddy here,
    Could you clarify the current drawn from the 12v supply ?
    Thanks

  • RL

    @ Steven Nicholes Karels
    This is how I understand it.
    The SKLep would need to be able to dedect harmonics to determine if the 12V DC is coming from an AC device.
    I’m sure it can’t.

    The statement could rather mean that the input and output of the SKLep must not form a short circuit.
    In other words, the supply voltage and the output voltage are separate circuits.
    It doesn’t matter where the voltage comes from, as long as it is not taken directly from the output voltage.
    No feedback from a possibly fluctuating output voltage may reach the input.
    The input probably needs a voltage stabiliser.

    Best regards
    RL

  • Frank Acland

    Dear Andrea,

    Could you kindly clarify some points:

    a) Can it operate in self-sustain mode (SSM) if it is plugged into a 12 V battery?
    b) Can the SKLep work at all, if it is plugged into a 12 V battery (even if not in SSM)?
    c) Can it operate in self-sustain mode if connected to the grid (120/220 V AC)?

    Thank you very much,

    Frank Acland

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    Thanks for answering my question even if the answer was not what I was hoping to hear.

    While I think it’s possible that the ECat SKLep can be a successful product while requiring a grid a connected power supply, it would be much better if the ECat SKLep can also operates using a battery power source.

    Question 1

    Is it that the ECat SKLep never operates properly when using a battery power source, or that it does not operate reliably?

    Taking a shot in the dark, the most obvious difference between a grid driven power supply and a battery sourced power supply is the alternating magnetic field produced by the current flowing though the grid wiring, and transformers.

    Question 2

    Is it possible that the ECat SKlep needs some level of 50-60 Hz alternating magnetic field to operate properly, and when you tried a battery power source you kept the ECat SKLep away from magnet fields generated by the grid?

    Warm Regards,

    Dan Galburt

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    No, any power source that gets 110/220 V and yields 12 V is fit,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Piero Ferreri:
    Sorry, but I think you misunderstood my answer to Dan Galburt ( or, maybe, I have not been sufficiently clear ): the power source gets the 110/220 AC, but turns it into 12 V DC.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Piero Ferreri

    Dear Andrea, your answer to Dan Galburt confuses me: if “the ECat SKLep requires a 12VDC source of electrical energy”, how could it come from the grid, which provides 110/220V AC?
    Also consider that I was intending to use a couple of your SKLep in a mobile application (namely a sailboat with a 12VDC system of batteries). Can you kindly clarify?
    Thanks and keep up the good work
    Piero

  • Sergio

    @JPR
    Great suggestion, I agree: the circuit you propose is simple, clear, easy to check; the table upon which is put must be translucent and the camera must show all the connections and the voltmeter,amperometer, and wattmeter 24 hours per day, seven days per week and for several months straight: I am sure this way Leonardo Corporation will reach easily orders for one million units
    Sergio

  • Andrea Rossi

    Darko:
    Thank you for your opinion
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I noted your comments in other posts about the SKLep not accepting 12VDC battery input. While I am designing and building systems that will use a 12VDC (10VDC to 14VDC – manually output adjustable), are there any special requirements on the output of the 12VDC power supply that I should be aware of?

  • Darko

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    Maybe big buyers will place more underwritten orders when they see a working SKLep.
    Best regards,
    Darko

  • Andrea Rossi

    JPR:
    Thank you for your suggestion
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • JPR

    Dan Galburt and Andrea Rossi,
    I think too that another demo would be very useful, notwithstanding the fact the the first one has been a good one.
    I think it would be better to allow Frank Acland and his expert to set up a camera filming 24/7 for ever the Ecat SKLep module powering a led lamp, whatever it’s power, with very simple and clearly visible connections: one cable from the grid’s outlet to the power source, two cables from the power source to the Ecat (obviously one red cable for the positive pole and one black for the negative), two cables from the Ecat to the led lamp, with a clear view to the voltmeter, the amperometer, and the wattmeter .
    Best
    Jean Paul Renoir, from Paris

  • Frank H.

    @Brice
    It is not enough to let Mr. Acland demonstrate the ecat. How many follower has he on youtube?
    For a good marketing you need youtube-accounts with much followers.
    Mr. Rossi: Please invite some to your factory and let them make their videos while they test the ecat. You can stand alongside while they make the tests, so that there is no possibility for industrial spying.
    Best regards
    Frank H.

  • Andrea Rossi

    RL:
    That is obviously the reason why we cannot sell small quantities of the Ecat even if at a higher price. When we will deliver, every client will be able to satisfy his “curiosity”.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Brice,
    Thank you for your opinion,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    So far, yes,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    According to your specifications, the ECat SKLep requires a 12VDC source of electrical energy with a current flow consistent with one watt of power consumption to operate. Many customers, including myself, will want to obtain this one watt of electrical energy from a battery so that ECat SKLep can operate without a grid connection.

    Question

    Are you saying that the ECat SKLep that you intend to manufacture will operate from a grid driven power supply, but not from a battery power source?

    Warm Regards,

    Dan Galburt

  • Brice

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    I think it is clear that the community would very much like another, more convincing, demonstration of the Ecat SKLep. I suggest that you invite Frank Ackland to come with an old-fashened 100 Watt fillament light bulb. If he can demonstrate that the light output of the light bulb from a wall socket is equivalent to that of the SKLep during a period of one hour, then it is clear that the reactor works like promised. This very simple test takes only 1 hour and can be filmed with manual camera settings, which proves that the light output is equal. The SKLep must be fed with a regular 12V-battery, which normally can never supply enough power during one hour to a 100W light bulb. Showing some daylight at the background shows that the camera settings remained the same. This is very convincing test. Additional data (volt, amp.) makes it even more convincing.

    What is your opinion about my proposal?

    With kind regards,

    Brice

  • RL

    Good day Mr Rossi,

    There are certainly many customers who would cut open a SKLep after delivery just out of curiosity. I would do it too, but I am out of that period.
    Perhaps you could show a disassembled SKLep at the sales presentation. I would be interested in that.

    Seed treatment before sowing is also often experimented with, for example here:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep05859
    (Effects of cold plasma treatment on seed germination and seedling growth of soybean)

    Have you been able to gain experience with the method you use and the radiated frequencies in relation to seed treatment?

    Thank you very much and best regards RL.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Italo R.:
    I did when I worked upon power generators fueled by oil yielded from wasted vegetables, and for the Ecat the issues will be almost the same; besides, the technology would be the same used in solar PV systems.
    Warm Regards
    Andrea Rossi

  • Andrea Rossi

    Dan Galburt:
    This issue is very complex and answers imply confidential information and things that we still have not understood.
    We are still working on it.
    Warm Regards
    Andrea Rossi

  • Dan Galburt

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    In your recent response to Audin you reminded him that the ECat SKLep requires an external energy source to operate, and implied that in its present form it could not power an electric vehicle.

    Question 1
    Have you operated an ECat SKLep using a 12V battery as an external energy source?

    Question 2
    If the answer to question 1 is no, is there any reason to believe that powering the ECat SKLep using an external 12V battery would not work?

    Question 3
    If the answer to either question 1 or 2 is yes, could the combination of ECat SKLeps, rechargeable batteries, and charge control electronics give the electric vehicle an unlimited range?

    Question 4
    If you have not tried such and application is there, in principle, any reason it should not be possible?

    Warm Regards,

    Dan Galburt

  • Italo R.

    Dear Dr. Rossi,
    An Ecat SKLep with AC output, to be connected in parallel with the grid, must have the following electrical characteristics at the output:
    a) – Same frequency
    b) – Same phase
    c) – Voltage value greater than the mains voltage (to function as a generator).

    My question:
    Have you already experienced this type of perfectly synchronized connection?

    Kind Regards,
    Italo R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank H.:
    Thank you for the suggestion
    Warm Regards
    Andrea Rossi

  • Andrea Rossi

    Norman,
    Yes,
    Warm Regards
    Andrea Rossi

  • Norman

    Dear Dr Rossi,
    You still think you could start the deliveries of the Ecat SKLep within this year ?
    Best
    Norman

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