You replied to Raffaele that “this is not possible”.
I can’t understand that at all. Do you think that the car manufacturers are not prepared to develop such a setup or do you see fundamental problems? Let’s leave aside the volume of the E-Cats. 10 KW E-CATs could certainly be packed into the trunk of a suitable car. Including recuperation, this should be sufficient for continuous urban traffic to be able to drive 24/7 and even charge the battery. My point is not that the adaptation electronics still need to be developed, because that would just be hard work and not research.
If I drive my EV which takes 1.5 kWh/10km at a speed of 90 kph. In 6.7 minutes I have driven 10 km. That means you consume 60/6.7 x 1.5 kWh in 1.0 hour = 9.0 kWh. The power to drive the car is then 9 kW!
E-cat of 3 kW is not enough! You need 6 kW more from the battery!
Hello Dr. Rossi
If it is obvious to charge the control car to 100%, it is in my opinion: less obvious to charge the vehicle equipped with the E-Cat generator identically.
By providing higher energy of a few kW/h more than the average consumption of the car, the E-Cat will charge the battery throughout the demonstration.
Assuming that you leave with half the charge of a 60 Kwh battery and that the E-Cat provides 3 kWh more than the vehicle’s consumption, after 6 hours your car will end up 80% charged.
For me, it goes beyond the dream to start at 50% and finish at 80%, it goes beyond the dream…
All my best wishes for success in this beautiful demonstration.
Kind regards
Raffaele Bongo
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1. I am not expert of the matter; what I can say is that the streaming will show clearly location and time
2. yes, but security dependent
3. yes
4. 90 minutes per turn of two drivers
5. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
On the EV eCat demonstration:
1. Will the position (i.e., the GPS coordinates) be broadcast in real-time and available to the public?
2. Will speed, battery SOC, and other car parameters be broadcast in real-time and available to the public?
3. Will the event be captured for later presentation on YouTube?
4. How long (# hours) will each driver steer the car?
5. Is the racetrack in Italy?
Dear Dr. Rossi,
so when you publish the date of the EV-test (and electric heater test?) we know that the closed door race was successful?
Warm regards
Z.Roeden
Dear Dr Rossi,
The highest part of use of electricity in the world is to make heat: make an Ecat heater, focus the advertising on this market and all the rest will come eventually.
Best
Tony
Giannino Ferro Casagrande:
To modify your pre-order you have to send a new pre-order: please go to http://www.ecatorders.com
fill up the pre-order form with your new request and resend it back.
This is valid for all the persons that want to modify or cancel the pre-orders they already did,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
You Posted:
“What counts is not the speed, but the comparison of the charge of the Ecat powered car and the same model car without the Ecat, having both cars running at the same time at the same speed and compare the charges of their batteries before and after the race: the expectation is that the car with the Ecat will have the battery full after the whole 6 hours of race, while the other will have the battery discharged after at the most 3 hours. The two cars will run always at a distance of hundreds of meters between them, to avoid either one take advantage of the air vacuum.”
Speed does play a factor. If both cars were stationary, the difference would not exist.
A sample estimate from a Tesla Model 3 has a power efficiency of
kW = 0.0056 * (speed in mph)**2 + 0.1638 * speed in mph + 6.1894.
This equation will change for other that a Tesla Model 3.
You must select a speed for both EVs such that the non-equipped eCat EV, when initially fully charged, runs out of charge within 2 (or 3) hours, when run at a constant speed, except for any short pit stops.
For example, if the EV you selected has a 60kW-hrs battery system capacity and you want it to fully discharge in 2 hours (for the non-equipped EV), you would an energy consumption rate of 30 kW.
On the Tesla Model 3, that would indicate a speed of about 80 mph. So, speed does matter.
The other suggestion I would offer is:
1. At the end of 6 hours, when the eCat equipped EV if tested
2. Quickly remove the eCat equipment (if this is possible)
3. Continue the demonstration at the same conditions,
4. Until the EV runs out of charge.
5. Then the same measurements are performed.
Will both vehicles have telemetry made available in real time? Such as position, speed, and SOC?
Dr Rossi,
Here are the updated statistics of your papers I found today in http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Total Readings: 145000 ( of which 132333 only for “Ecat SK and long range particle interactions”), more than 1,500,000 papers published on Researchgate
Research Interest Score: 3021, more than 1,500,000 papers on Researchgate
Reccomandations: 11742, more than 1,500,000 publications on RG
Most Readings by Cathegories: Electronic Engineers, Chemical Engineers, Theoretical Physicists,
Most Readings by Seniority: Professors, PhD students, Researchers, Seniors
And Counting…
Prof
I totally agree with what you said to Mats Heijkenskjold and Steven N. Karels.
considering these premises on the 2 EV Vehicles:
1) same Brand
2) same Model
3) same Size in KWh of the Battery
and considering that the only difference between the 2 EV Vehicles will be:
4) the one “prepared” by you and your Team will contain “in addition” only the ECat Modules + the interfacing electronics between the Ecat and the EV Vehicle
The speed with which the EV Vehicles will travel on the racetrack does not matter, but if:
5) after 2-3 hours the Ev vehicle without Ecat having exceeded the KM foreseen by its WLTP cycle, will stop
6) while after 6 hours the same EV vehicle with the same Size of battery in KWh will still have the battery charged…..
the only possible explanation for this thing will be that the energy consumed to advance along the racetrack that EV vehicle with Ecat on board for 6 hours without ever stopping, will have been supplied, only and exclusively, from Ecat!!!
If I understand correctly:
7) the selected racetrack will allow you to always have the 2 EV vehicles “in sight” while they travel on it
8) the change of drivers at the wheel of the Vehicle with Ecat on board will last a few seconds and will be done in a “specially chosen” area so that everything is perfectly “visible”.
9) The Ecat and the control electronics will be easily identifiable inside the EV Vehicle “prepared” by you and your Team
in addition, the verification:
A) of the “size” of the battery of the 2 EV vehicles
B) of the SoC at the start of the 2 EV vehicles
C) of the SoC at the arrival of the EV Vehicle with Ecat
D) of the SoC of the EV Vehicle without ECat when it stops
10) will be done by an independent person who is an expert in the EV Vehicle Model selected for the Demonstration, with specific instrumentation for that EV vehicle
I kindly ask you to confirm or deny these “suppositions/desires” of mine 😉
If what is described above were actually verified in your demonstration I absolutely agree with you that the speed with which the 2 EV vehicles will travel on the racetrack is NOT “absolutely” important!!! 😉
I thank you in advance for the answers/confirmations/denials that you will want to give me.
IO SONO DISPONIBILE A RADDOPPIARE IL MIO. PREORDINE !!! SE TUTTI FANNO COSI’ SI ARRIVA AL MILIONE ?
English
I can double my pre-order: if all do so will be reached the target of one million pre-orders ?
Mats Heijkenskjold and Steven N. Karels:
What counts is not the speed, but the comparision of the charge of the Ecat powered car and the same model car without the Ecat, having both cars running at the same time at the same speed and compare the charges of their batteries bofore and after the race: the expectation is that the car with the Ecat will have the battery full after the whole 6 hours of race, while the other will have the battery discharged after at the most 3 hours. The two cars will run always at a distance of hundreds of meters between them, to avoid either one take advantage of the air vacuum.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Facts:
1. Normal (non-equipped) EV will stop after 2 hours.
2. Test will last for 6 hours.
3. Driving faster than normal will decrease overall range.
Assumptions
1. Present EVs have a battery range around 250 to 300 miles on a single charge, at normal speeds.
Assertions:
1. Average speed will likely be between 90 and 120 mph.
2. This will cause the non-equipped EV to run out of battery charge in about two hours.
Suggestions/Questions:
1. It is not important for the text demonstration to have the equipped EV end with 100% SOC.
2. It might be safer to end up with an 80% to 90% SOC on the equipped EV (and more believable).
3. Do you plan a crew change during the 6-hour run?
4. If a pit stop is planned, how long?
Dr Rossi,
Do you still recommend using a battery to buffer the output of the ECat for powering household appliances, motors, and electronic devices such as TV?
Iggy
Neri Accornero:
Welcome back !
Thank you for your suggestion, but we will not mess up the things. We will make separated demos to focus perfectly in each of them.
Besides, the Ecat system for the EV is different from the normal Ecat, because there is a complex interface system.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Yury Ekdokimov:
Thank you for your support.
Answers:
1. the race will last 6 hours: after a couple of hours the car without the Ecat will stop because the battery SOC will be exhaused, the Ecat will continue to race and when the race time will be completed the battery of it will have SOC 100%; a neutral referee expert of the EV will check the SOC of both the cars at the start and at the end
2. see 1
3. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea I am sure that the size you have chosen of 3kW of your generator is the most appropriate for mass production. The application possibilities are endless, as an off the grid recharger or battery replacement, from small vehicles on land, water and air (mopeds, outboards and electric drones) to more or less humanoid robots (Optimus and Figure 02 have on board 3 kW approximately) not to mention all the portable power tools. In homes, one or more 3 kW modules coupled with 220 V AC inverters cover the needs of any family. I am writing these obvious things to you only to confirm that associating the next demonstration of the electric machine with your own 3 kW unit, with a 220 V AC inverter, which powers some household devices (electric stoves, induction plates that boil water, electric drills, panels bright with many lamps and so on) is an excellent idea. I think the public and journalists will be very interested in these applications in the “long” wait for the completion of the durability comparison between the two electric cars, one with and one without your charger. And it’s also a safety alternative in the unfortunate event that something goes wrong with cars, even if it’s not related to your generator.
Dear Andrea,
You replied to Raffaele that “this is not possible”.
I can’t understand that at all. Do you think that the car manufacturers are not prepared to develop such a setup or do you see fundamental problems? Let’s leave aside the volume of the E-Cats. 10 KW E-CATs could certainly be packed into the trunk of a suitable car. Including recuperation, this should be sufficient for continuous urban traffic to be able to drive 24/7 and even charge the battery. My point is not that the adaptation electronics still need to be developed, because that would just be hard work and not research.
Best Regards
Wilfried
Raffaele Bongo:
Good dream!
If I drive my EV which takes 1.5 kWh/10km at a speed of 90 kph. In 6.7 minutes I have driven 10 km. That means you consume 60/6.7 x 1.5 kWh in 1.0 hour = 9.0 kWh. The power to drive the car is then 9 kW!
E-cat of 3 kW is not enough! You need 6 kW more from the battery!
Regards
Raffaele Bongo:
Thank you for your suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Thank you for your suggestion, I am not an expert of this and will pass it to the specialist that is taking care of the streaming.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
If possible, I would recommend public telemetry systems, completely sperate from your internal usage.
This could be as simple as a SatComm Tracker for each EV. Then give the public access to the SatComm channel.
EV telemetry is a little tricker. Maybe a separate telemetry or an internal television showing the EV dashboard.
It sounds like you will have 3 – 5 drivers.
Hello Dr. Rossi
If it is obvious to charge the control car to 100%, it is in my opinion: less obvious to charge the vehicle equipped with the E-Cat generator identically.
By providing higher energy of a few kW/h more than the average consumption of the car, the E-Cat will charge the battery throughout the demonstration.
Assuming that you leave with half the charge of a 60 Kwh battery and that the E-Cat provides 3 kWh more than the vehicle’s consumption, after 6 hours your car will end up 80% charged.
For me, it goes beyond the dream to start at 50% and finish at 80%, it goes beyond the dream…
All my best wishes for success in this beautiful demonstration.
Kind regards
Raffaele Bongo
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1. I am not expert of the matter; what I can say is that the streaming will show clearly location and time
2. yes, but security dependent
3. yes
4. 90 minutes per turn of two drivers
5. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Albert:
I hope so,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Energy User:
Driving the car powered by the Ecat is an essential part of the preparation,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
have you been driving in the EV with the ecat by yourself?
Will the day when I will be enjoying free power for my home arrive soon?
Dear Andrea Rossi,
On the EV eCat demonstration:
1. Will the position (i.e., the GPS coordinates) be broadcast in real-time and available to the public?
2. Will speed, battery SOC, and other car parameters be broadcast in real-time and available to the public?
3. Will the event be captured for later presentation on YouTube?
4. How long (# hours) will each driver steer the car?
5. Is the racetrack in Italy?
Mitch:
Yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Z.Roeden:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi,
so when you publish the date of the EV-test (and electric heater test?) we know that the closed door race was successful?
Warm regards
Z.Roeden
dear Mr. Rossi will you report the results of the closed doors race?
Ann:
Yes, 7 days last week,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Tony:
Thank you for your suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
To Giannino Ferro Casagrande and all of you
I’m sure that it would be enough to reach one million if we all (or at least many of us) upgrade our orders with 10 percent but at least one unit.
Cheers
Dear Dr Rossi,
The highest part of use of electricity in the world is to make heat: make an Ecat heater, focus the advertising on this market and all the rest will come eventually.
Best
Tony
Dr Rossi
Did you take some rest during these Summer holidays ?
Anonymous:
Within the first 10 days of October we will make a closed doors race; after it we will decide how to proceed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
When will you decide the date of the EV test ?
Anonymous:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Jaroslav Dobrovolny:
None,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi, can you describe the influence of the Ecat SKlep NGU on the solar system?
Jaroslav Dobrovolny
Giannino Ferro Casagrande:
About your question: could be,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
will conserve the same date priority any eventual variation of former pre-orders ?
Giannino Ferro Casagrande:
To modify your pre-order you have to send a new pre-order: please go to
http://www.ecatorders.com
fill up the pre-order form with your new request and resend it back.
This is valid for all the persons that want to modify or cancel the pre-orders they already did,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Prof:
Thank you for the update,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestions,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
You Posted:
“What counts is not the speed, but the comparison of the charge of the Ecat powered car and the same model car without the Ecat, having both cars running at the same time at the same speed and compare the charges of their batteries before and after the race: the expectation is that the car with the Ecat will have the battery full after the whole 6 hours of race, while the other will have the battery discharged after at the most 3 hours. The two cars will run always at a distance of hundreds of meters between them, to avoid either one take advantage of the air vacuum.”
Speed does play a factor. If both cars were stationary, the difference would not exist.
A sample estimate from a Tesla Model 3 has a power efficiency of
kW = 0.0056 * (speed in mph)**2 + 0.1638 * speed in mph + 6.1894.
This equation will change for other that a Tesla Model 3.
You must select a speed for both EVs such that the non-equipped eCat EV, when initially fully charged, runs out of charge within 2 (or 3) hours, when run at a constant speed, except for any short pit stops.
For example, if the EV you selected has a 60kW-hrs battery system capacity and you want it to fully discharge in 2 hours (for the non-equipped EV), you would an energy consumption rate of 30 kW.
On the Tesla Model 3, that would indicate a speed of about 80 mph. So, speed does matter.
The other suggestion I would offer is:
1. At the end of 6 hours, when the eCat equipped EV if tested
2. Quickly remove the eCat equipment (if this is possible)
3. Continue the demonstration at the same conditions,
4. Until the EV runs out of charge.
5. Then the same measurements are performed.
Will both vehicles have telemetry made available in real time? Such as position, speed, and SOC?
Dr Rossi,
Here are the updated statistics of your papers I found today in
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_particle_interactions
Total Readings: 145000 ( of which 132333 only for “Ecat SK and long range particle interactions”), more than 1,500,000 papers published on Researchgate
Research Interest Score: 3021, more than 1,500,000 papers on Researchgate
Reccomandations: 11742, more than 1,500,000 publications on RG
Most Readings by Cathegories: Electronic Engineers, Chemical Engineers, Theoretical Physicists,
Most Readings by Seniority: Professors, PhD students, Researchers, Seniors
And Counting…
Prof
Mats Heijkenskjold:
Thank you for your kind wishes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Maico:
All you wrote is correct,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi
I totally agree with what you said to Mats Heijkenskjold and Steven N. Karels.
considering these premises on the 2 EV Vehicles:
1) same Brand
2) same Model
3) same Size in KWh of the Battery
and considering that the only difference between the 2 EV Vehicles will be:
4) the one “prepared” by you and your Team will contain “in addition” only the ECat Modules + the interfacing electronics between the Ecat and the EV Vehicle
The speed with which the EV Vehicles will travel on the racetrack does not matter, but if:
5) after 2-3 hours the Ev vehicle without Ecat having exceeded the KM foreseen by its WLTP cycle, will stop
6) while after 6 hours the same EV vehicle with the same Size of battery in KWh will still have the battery charged…..
the only possible explanation for this thing will be that the energy consumed to advance along the racetrack that EV vehicle with Ecat on board for 6 hours without ever stopping, will have been supplied, only and exclusively, from Ecat!!!
If I understand correctly:
7) the selected racetrack will allow you to always have the 2 EV vehicles “in sight” while they travel on it
8) the change of drivers at the wheel of the Vehicle with Ecat on board will last a few seconds and will be done in a “specially chosen” area so that everything is perfectly “visible”.
9) The Ecat and the control electronics will be easily identifiable inside the EV Vehicle “prepared” by you and your Team
in addition, the verification:
A) of the “size” of the battery of the 2 EV vehicles
B) of the SoC at the start of the 2 EV vehicles
C) of the SoC at the arrival of the EV Vehicle with Ecat
D) of the SoC of the EV Vehicle without ECat when it stops
10) will be done by an independent person who is an expert in the EV Vehicle Model selected for the Demonstration, with specific instrumentation for that EV vehicle
I kindly ask you to confirm or deny these “suppositions/desires” of mine 😉
If what is described above were actually verified in your demonstration I absolutely agree with you that the speed with which the 2 EV vehicles will travel on the racetrack is NOT “absolutely” important!!! 😉
I thank you in advance for the answers/confirmations/denials that you will want to give me.
best regards
Maico
Dear Andrea,
I perfectly understood the idea for the EV test, will be very,very interesting to follow!
I just wanted to correct the statement of EV cars having high normal speeds.
Best regards and good luck with EV test,
Mats Heijkenskjold
IO SONO DISPONIBILE A RADDOPPIARE IL MIO. PREORDINE !!! SE TUTTI FANNO COSI’ SI ARRIVA AL MILIONE ?
English
I can double my pre-order: if all do so will be reached the target of one million pre-orders ?
Anonymous:
Yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Is still counting the pre-orders record and the one million pre-orders target to start the deliveries of the Ecat ?
Mats Heijkenskjold and Steven N. Karels:
What counts is not the speed, but the comparision of the charge of the Ecat powered car and the same model car without the Ecat, having both cars running at the same time at the same speed and compare the charges of their batteries bofore and after the race: the expectation is that the car with the Ecat will have the battery full after the whole 6 hours of race, while the other will have the battery discharged after at the most 3 hours. The two cars will run always at a distance of hundreds of meters between them, to avoid either one take advantage of the air vacuum.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven N Karels:
The speed you metioned is not normal for EV:s! Normal speeds are much lower, main roads 70 – 120 kmph.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestions; answers:
1, 2. thank you for your opinion
3. yes
4. several seconds
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Iggy Dalrymple:
No,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Facts:
1. Normal (non-equipped) EV will stop after 2 hours.
2. Test will last for 6 hours.
3. Driving faster than normal will decrease overall range.
Assumptions
1. Present EVs have a battery range around 250 to 300 miles on a single charge, at normal speeds.
Assertions:
1. Average speed will likely be between 90 and 120 mph.
2. This will cause the non-equipped EV to run out of battery charge in about two hours.
Suggestions/Questions:
1. It is not important for the text demonstration to have the equipped EV end with 100% SOC.
2. It might be safer to end up with an 80% to 90% SOC on the equipped EV (and more believable).
3. Do you plan a crew change during the 6-hour run?
4. If a pit stop is planned, how long?
Dr Rossi,
Do you still recommend using a battery to buffer the output of the ECat for powering household appliances, motors, and electronic devices such as TV?
Iggy
Z. Roeden:
We have a person dedicated to this job,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Neri Accornero:
Welcome back !
Thank you for your suggestion, but we will not mess up the things. We will make separated demos to focus perfectly in each of them.
Besides, the Ecat system for the EV is different from the normal Ecat, because there is a complex interface system.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Yury Ekdokimov:
Thank you for your support.
Answers:
1. the race will last 6 hours: after a couple of hours the car without the Ecat will stop because the battery SOC will be exhaused, the Ecat will continue to race and when the race time will be completed the battery of it will have SOC 100%; a neutral referee expert of the EV will check the SOC of both the cars at the start and at the end
2. see 1
3. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea I am sure that the size you have chosen of 3kW of your generator is the most appropriate for mass production. The application possibilities are endless, as an off the grid recharger or battery replacement, from small vehicles on land, water and air (mopeds, outboards and electric drones) to more or less humanoid robots (Optimus and Figure 02 have on board 3 kW approximately) not to mention all the portable power tools. In homes, one or more 3 kW modules coupled with 220 V AC inverters cover the needs of any family. I am writing these obvious things to you only to confirm that associating the next demonstration of the electric machine with your own 3 kW unit, with a 220 V AC inverter, which powers some household devices (electric stoves, induction plates that boil water, electric drills, panels bright with many lamps and so on) is an excellent idea. I think the public and journalists will be very interested in these applications in the “long” wait for the completion of the durability comparison between the two electric cars, one with and one without your charger. And it’s also a safety alternative in the unfortunate event that something goes wrong with cars, even if it’s not related to your generator.