You mention in your reply to Urs Z. that you use “resistive dissipators fit for the Ecat’s electricity”. Are these typical off-the-shelf resistors, or have they been specially designed for the E-Cat?
I now have the following understanding of a safe and straightforward option that may now be available for existing installations if Ecat technology really works:
When an Ecat is able to charge a battery safely, batteries can also be used in other contexts than in EVs.
DC power from batteries can be efficiently transformed and converted to 110/230 Volt AC.
If the AC consumption is distributed over several courses and this together exceeds the supply that the battery receives from Ecat, it will be easy for a regulator to disconnect one or more courses according to a prioritized instruction in this, without the energy delivery from Ecat to the battery being cut off by overload.
The battery’s own charged energy provides the necessary temporal flexibility to manage this relationship.
By regularly checking the resistance in each course by the regulator, the course can be automatically re-entered when the capacity of the Ecat covers the energy demand that is being drained from the battery.
The battery can be of modest size as the regulation, in terms of time, does not take many seconds.
In residential buildings where the AC is connected to a network, an advanced regulator can also transfer any disconnected circuits to obtain the necessary power from the network instead of the battery. The regulator must then be fully in phase with the network current in terms of frequency and the switchover should take place at the moment that the network is at the 0 point.
When there is a surplus of energy from Ecat, an advanced regulator can phase the surplus to the network.
In terms of cost, this can balance the energy that the home, in periods, must obtain from the network.
When thousands of homes have a common network and their own Ecats, this gives everyone considerable security against individual errors and possible breaks in the network.
The same applies to industrial Ecat units that are connected to the same network.
Since there may be periods during the day when the total Ecat capacity may exceed the needs of the grid, parts of the homes’ Ecat capacity can be reduced and the home’s battery will ensure a stepless and sufficient energy supply during periods when deliveries from Ecat may be slightly below the home’s immediate needs.
The home’s battery will be a “short-term energy shock absorber” that hardly needs to have a larger capacity than approx. 400 Wh to fulfill the task.
The whole thing will be like in a regular gasoline-powered car where the battery ensures that all electricity consumption is covered while it is continuously charged, as needed, by the car’s engine via a dynamo.
In the home, an Ecat will take over the task of the engine and dynamo.
Dear Dr. Rossi –
what kind of power levels do you plan for the ecat heaters? Typical steps in todays consumer market for home heat are 500w, 1000w and 2000w – any thoughts? Will there be a 100w version?
Thank you for your reply.
Urs Z.:
The Ecat does not generate AC at 110/220 V, therefore it cannot be connected to normal electric heaters; this is why we will supply it with resistive dissipators fit for the Ecat’s electricity; you plug your infrared heater to a normal grid that delivers alternate current at 220 50 Hz or 110 60 Hz, the current of the Ecat is far from that and the problem cannot be resolved with transformers-inverters for many issues,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi
There’s still something I don’t understand. Can I connect an infrared heater I already have at home to the Ecat? Or do I need to have the connection of this infrared heater changed to some kind of adapter so that it fits the Ecat? As long as the electric heater is a resistive load, it should work, right? It probably wouldn’t work with convectors that have a fan.
Best regards
Urs Z.
On May 6, 2026 at 12:35, AR replied here in JoNP:
“What is not impossible is that we will eventually resolve the problems that presently make it impossible for the Ecat to supply electricity for undetermined time, without continued control of our engineers: think to our Latina test, where the Ecat worked well for 6 hours, but under the control of 2 expert engineers;”
I understand that in the Latina test, 2 engineers managed to regulate the current from the Ecat so well that the test ran successfully for a full 6 hours. The regulation activity was reasonably based on sensory signals about the conditions created by the electricity output from the Ecat device.
Regulating known conditions where 100% measurable reliable signals form the basis for regulatory actions, already adapted conventional electronics can handle much better than what 2 or 100 engineers can do, especially continuously over longer periods of time.
I assume that new AI-based regulatory systems will be able to outperform today’s established systems several thousand times when 2 experienced expert engineers describe how the regulation must be carried out.
Your proposal that a possible solution can be found therefore appears very credible.
I am of the opinion that an elegant solution will be available by the time the global presentation comes later this year.
1. Can the NGU Power Generator be run in a non-SSM mode – basically an energy catalyst – producing more energy that is inputted?
2. What happens if the NGU Power Generator runs too long in SSM without “expert attention”. Is it dangerous, as in exploding, just operates outside of specified performance?
3. For the MW electrical power system, is continuous “expert attention” required for safe operation or can it run unmanned?
Olaf:
As I already explained here, we must make a clear distinction between performing an SSM determined to last 6 hours, keeping it under control by experts, and an SSM with an years predetermined duration used by non expert persons,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@Steven Nicholes Karels, good questions, to which I would add: Mr Rossi, the Latina test was clearly SSM, so why now SSM instead of having been developed, has been suspended ?
Olaf
1. Did he issues with the production of NGU units emerge during the R&D with your prototype units ?
2. About the Renault Twizy test for 6 hours: did the drivers make adjustments to the 3 kW NGU unit during the 6-hour test?
Jean Paul Renoir:
My opinion, but not engagement: the aggregate capacity of owned manufactures and outsourcing I’d say should be enough to deliver all the pre-orders received within one year, after the official public presentation
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Solar cells and wind turbines have problems with very varying energy access.
I have now understood the same to be the case for Ecat when energy is to be obtained from ZPE.
I understand that with a high number of units working together, the variations are balanced out.
I am now sure that you have adequate measurements of the variations in the power that a single Ecat is able to obtain from ZPE.
I think that a presentation of power curves from measurements here will be very interesting for all your followers.
Otherwise, I think that a battery that is to be charged by a smaller Ecat must primarily have a property that allows the charging current to be very high compared to what normal batteries can withstand.
I doubt that such batteries are currently fully developed.
Dr Rossi,
Assuming, by absurd, that your global licensee should start in the next days the deliveries to the wide public the Ecat, which would be today the manufacturing capacity of the existing facilities at the status they are now ?
Best,
JPR
You stated on X the following:
“In these heaters, E-Cat modules generate electricity which will be turned into heat by means of electrical resistors.”
I am not an expert on electrical resitors or anything, but could these mentioned resistors also be able to do do the opposite as well, meaning can these be used to generate cooling.
So you can use the new Ecat product as an airconditioning unit to generate both heating and cooling?
Manuel Cilia:
The function of the resistive load is to generate heat by the Joule effect. To the rest of the question I already answered: we are working on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
How much income will a home owner garnish by added kilowatts of NGU power increase to his home electrical system?
To calculate exactly how much income a homeowner can generate by adding an extra kilowatt (kW) of capacity, we must analyze the net revenue from selling continuous Never Give Up (NGU) power back to the DC microgrid.
1. Calculate Annual Energy Production
A 1 kW system running continuously (24/7/365) generates a fixed amount of electricity every year:
2. Determine Gross Annual Income
The income depends entirely on the utility’s buyback rate (often aligned with localized wholesale or retail rates). Below is the gross annual income generated per kW at various common utility export rates:
Export Rate (per kWh) Gross Annual Income (per Added kW )
$0.05 (Low/Wholesale) $438.00
$0.10 (Average Grid Export) $876.00
$0.15 (High/Time-of-Use Peak) $1,314.00
$0.20 (Premium Green/DC Grid Rate) $1,752.00
A distributed HVDC based NGU home network and grid system as defined below will convert the AI data center from a burdensome cost on their electric bills to a profit cost center that supplements their incomes. Electric customers will be lobbying to have a data center built in their communities.
The final end product for NGU home system is a distributed power system for both the grid and the home.
Summary of Costs and Savings
This section aggregates all metrics to highlight the financial and structural alignment between the utility and the end-user under a unified DCV/NGU paradigm.
Home User Summary
Initial Investment: $4,000 per kW for NGU generation equipment.
Optimized 800V/380V DC internal wiring components are parity-priced with AC due to data center economies of scale.
Direct Efficiency Savings: $267.75 per year saved by bypassing AC-to-DC conversion overhead.
Net Value Generated: $1,489.20 per year per kW via combined direct self-consumption and direct DC grid export.
Net 11-Year Household Profit (Per kW):
Utility Provider Summary
Generation Capital Reductions: 100% elimination of AC synchronous generators, central turbines, and phase-matching systems.
Distribution Efficiency Savings: Line losses drop from ~7% down to ~2.5%, saving the utility millions of megawatt-hours across the network.
Infrastructure Capital Savings: 33% reduction in distribution cable raw materials and 35% reduction in substation footprints by switching from AC transformers to high-power DC-DC converters.
Data Center Symbiosis: The utility can route raw 800V DC power directly from residential NGU clusters straight into data center server rows, bypassing both utility step-down transformers and data center entry rectifiers.
Critical Takeaways for Both Stakeholders
For the Home User: The combination of 380V DC internal infrastructure and an NGU generator fundamentally transforms the home from a cost-center into an independent, highly efficient micro-utility. Safety risks like DC arcing are completely mitigated by the commercial commercialization of solid-state circuit breakers born out of the 800V data center ecosystem.
For the Utility: Instead of managing volatile, weather-dependent AC renewables that require massive grid-scale battery storage, the utility acts as an optimization broker for a highly predictable, distributed, decentralized network of continuous NGU DC nodes.
@axil
“In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application”.
In most heating boilers the electrical part does the sensing of in house temp, water temp, occasionally outside temp, etc, all resulting in a single ON to create heat or OFF when either the in-house temp or water temp is reached
Provided the electrical part is connected to the grid and the ECAT can use that ON/OFF signal to start or stop producing heat i see no reason the heatproducing part can’t be exchanged for an ECAT
Dear Dr Rossi
you where talking about using resistive heating in the smaller Ecat units, is the heat generated by the resistor critical to the Ecat to work or can we just use a large battery to act as a load for the ecat and also supply power to the ecat (maybe for some heating function) and then suppy the grid or households with power from the batteries via an inverter. I am just trying to understand the function of the resistive load.
Thank you
Will home based DC power at 800 volts DC be made possible by the development of the 800 volt DC standard now used in data centers to provide circuit breakers and other devices required to wire a NGU enabled home at 800 volts DC?
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See Nvidia’s data-center 800 VDC technology plan here:
Powering AI Factories With 800 VDC
@axil
In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application.
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In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application.
Since your large board count systems can SSM, there is no excuse for the partner not offering this product. What an opportunity.
The partner should consider offering a high voltage high powered variant of their current grid power solution to offer data centers a 800 volt DC power platform that could directly interface data center racks and cooling. The need for this power format is huge and the demand will as great.
To handle the massive power demands of next-generation AI and high-performance computing (HPC) clusters, the data center industry is rapidly shifting to 800V DC (Direct Current) architectures.
As computing demands scale, legacy 54V and 48V power distribution structures have become bottlenecks. The 800V standard solves the physics problem of delivering megawatts of power to a single footprint.
Why the Shift to 800V DC
By doubling the voltage, the current is halved. This drastically reduces resistive power losses and allows operators to shrink the thickness and weight of copper busbars and cables by up to 45%.
High-voltage power conversion equipment is being moved out of the IT rack or integrated into dedicated “power shelves”, freeing up valuable space for more computing resources (GPUs). By minimizing the number of AC-to-DC and DC-to-DC conversions improves end-to-end efficiency into the mid-90th percentile.
Major chip manufacturers (like NVIDIA), server OEMs, and power management suppliers (such as Schneider Electric, Vertiv, and Flex) are heavily standardizing around 800V DC.
Due to legacy infrastructure, many early implementations use “sidecar” power architectures, which generate 800V DC on specialized modules positioned beside conventional racks without requiring immediate, massive facility overhauls.
High-density 800V DC racks are actively hitting the market, with full-scale native deployments anticipated to become the hyperscale baseline.
For a closer look at the power conversion technology required, you can review details shared by hardware partners like the NVIDIA 800 VDC Architecture or the Neuberger Berman industry brief as follows:
https://www.drivesandcontrols.ca/latest-articles/nvidia-800-vdc-architectu/
Dear Dr Rossi, just so I can get some understanding of the problem, if we use a large Battery to act as a load instead of the resistors would that work or do you need the heat from the resistor to help control the Ecats.
When you write, “the heater is a separate item”, does this mean that if the heating resistors fail, they can easily be replaced, and connected back to the E-Cat unit?
I greatly appreciate that a global presentation of Ecat may come this year.
Life on our planet is completely dependent on the relationship with another planet.
This planet is the sun. All our currently used energy originated in and still comes from the sun. The sun’s gravity keeps the earth in an orbit that ensures our regularity.
The sun’s constant energy supply to the earth and its firm grip on our position in space act as a solid “umbilical cord”.
We are completely dependent on this functioning stably without us being able to influence the relationship ourselves.
Our very complex atmosphere contains the necessary oxygen and a lot of water vapor that provides life-giving rain. The Earth’s significant amounts of water, both as liquid and ice, otherwise ensure that solar influences are balanced in a way that plants and animals on Earth have adapted to.
The atmosphere can be considered the “womb” of the Earth and its nature.
It protects us in terms of temperature and against harmful radiation.
We depend on the atmosphere, which we now strongly influence, also functioning satisfactorily.
Our use of fossil energy with disruptive CO2 emissions will have dramatic consequences for humanity and all other life on our planet.
If an alternative energy source has now been found that is easily accessible and equipment has been developed to utilize this source, it appears to be a “miracle”.
I have a feeling that your followers are not young people, but people with experience, knowledge and understanding of the problems our current energy use creates.
It is therefore unbearably exciting for your followers to receive confirmation that the presented possible “miracle” is indeed a truth.
Dear Dr. Rossi!
An electric heater has a limited lifespan. Therefore, it would be sensible to physically separate the Ecat and the electric heater. Ideally, the Ecat could be connected directly to an existing electric heater or electric boiler. Would that be feasible?
Warm regards
Simon
“Our R&D is proceeding to make possible SSM directly without integrating the E-Cat process with the Carnot cycle for both large plants and small assemblies.” This goal statement for your R&D gives me great hope for a 100W Ecat electric generator on my desk in the future.
Had anyone else had made your R&D goal statement I would have doubts.
I have no doubt you will succeed and have many adventures and learnings along the way.
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Dear Andrea,
You mention in your reply to Urs Z. that you use “resistive dissipators fit for the Ecat’s electricity”. Are these typical off-the-shelf resistors, or have they been specially designed for the E-Cat?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
Dear Andrea.
I now have the following understanding of a safe and straightforward option that may now be available for existing installations if Ecat technology really works:
When an Ecat is able to charge a battery safely, batteries can also be used in other contexts than in EVs.
DC power from batteries can be efficiently transformed and converted to 110/230 Volt AC.
If the AC consumption is distributed over several courses and this together exceeds the supply that the battery receives from Ecat, it will be easy for a regulator to disconnect one or more courses according to a prioritized instruction in this, without the energy delivery from Ecat to the battery being cut off by overload.
The battery’s own charged energy provides the necessary temporal flexibility to manage this relationship.
By regularly checking the resistance in each course by the regulator, the course can be automatically re-entered when the capacity of the Ecat covers the energy demand that is being drained from the battery.
The battery can be of modest size as the regulation, in terms of time, does not take many seconds.
In residential buildings where the AC is connected to a network, an advanced regulator can also transfer any disconnected circuits to obtain the necessary power from the network instead of the battery. The regulator must then be fully in phase with the network current in terms of frequency and the switchover should take place at the moment that the network is at the 0 point.
When there is a surplus of energy from Ecat, an advanced regulator can phase the surplus to the network.
In terms of cost, this can balance the energy that the home, in periods, must obtain from the network.
When thousands of homes have a common network and their own Ecats, this gives everyone considerable security against individual errors and possible breaks in the network.
The same applies to industrial Ecat units that are connected to the same network.
Since there may be periods during the day when the total Ecat capacity may exceed the needs of the grid, parts of the homes’ Ecat capacity can be reduced and the home’s battery will ensure a stepless and sufficient energy supply during periods when deliveries from Ecat may be slightly below the home’s immediate needs.
The home’s battery will be a “short-term energy shock absorber” that hardly needs to have a larger capacity than approx. 400 Wh to fulfill the task.
The whole thing will be like in a regular gasoline-powered car where the battery ensures that all electricity consumption is covered while it is continuously charged, as needed, by the car’s engine via a dynamo.
In the home, an Ecat will take over the task of the engine and dynamo.
Is my understanding here a possible solution???
Regards Svein
Dear Dr. Rossi –
what kind of power levels do you plan for the ecat heaters? Typical steps in todays consumer market for home heat are 500w, 1000w and 2000w – any thoughts? Will there be a 100w version?
Thank you for your reply.
Urs Z.:
The Ecat does not generate AC at 110/220 V, therefore it cannot be connected to normal electric heaters; this is why we will supply it with resistive dissipators fit for the Ecat’s electricity; you plug your infrared heater to a normal grid that delivers alternate current at 220 50 Hz or 110 60 Hz, the current of the Ecat is far from that and the problem cannot be resolved with transformers-inverters for many issues,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi
There’s still something I don’t understand. Can I connect an infrared heater I already have at home to the Ecat? Or do I need to have the connection of this infrared heater changed to some kind of adapter so that it fits the Ecat? As long as the electric heater is a resistive load, it should work, right? It probably wouldn’t work with convectors that have a fan.
Best regards
Urs Z.
Svein:
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea and Steven N. K.
On May 6, 2026 at 12:35, AR replied here in JoNP:
“What is not impossible is that we will eventually resolve the problems that presently make it impossible for the Ecat to supply electricity for undetermined time, without continued control of our engineers: think to our Latina test, where the Ecat worked well for 6 hours, but under the control of 2 expert engineers;”
I understand that in the Latina test, 2 engineers managed to regulate the current from the Ecat so well that the test ran successfully for a full 6 hours. The regulation activity was reasonably based on sensory signals about the conditions created by the electricity output from the Ecat device.
Regulating known conditions where 100% measurable reliable signals form the basis for regulatory actions, already adapted conventional electronics can handle much better than what 2 or 100 engineers can do, especially continuously over longer periods of time.
I assume that new AI-based regulatory systems will be able to outperform today’s established systems several thousand times when 2 experienced expert engineers describe how the regulation must be carried out.
Your proposal that a possible solution can be found therefore appears very credible.
I am of the opinion that an elegant solution will be available by the time the global presentation comes later this year.
Regards Svein
Jusef:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1. yes
2. confidential
3. the industrial plants need a professional responsible
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Mario:
This issue does not depend on me,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
1. Can the NGU Power Generator be run in a non-SSM mode – basically an energy catalyst – producing more energy that is inputted?
2. What happens if the NGU Power Generator runs too long in SSM without “expert attention”. Is it dangerous, as in exploding, just operates outside of specified performance?
3. For the MW electrical power system, is continuous “expert attention” required for safe operation or can it run unmanned?
Dear Andrea
Following the last update, I’d like to ask what the approximate cost of heating with an E-cat radiator would be:
100 Watts – about $400?
More or less?
Best regards
Dr Rossi,
Can you confirm that when the global public presentation of the Ecat at the same time will start the deliveries of the pre-ordered modules ?
Olaf:
As I already explained here, we must make a clear distinction between performing an SSM determined to last 6 hours, keeping it under control by experts, and an SSM with an years predetermined duration used by non expert persons,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@Steven Nicholes Karels, good questions, to which I would add: Mr Rossi, the Latina test was clearly SSM, so why now SSM instead of having been developed, has been suspended ?
Olaf
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1. yes
2. no
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
1. Did he issues with the production of NGU units emerge during the R&D with your prototype units ?
2. About the Renault Twizy test for 6 hours: did the drivers make adjustments to the 3 kW NGU unit during the 6-hour test?
Jean Paul Renoir:
My opinion, but not engagement: the aggregate capacity of owned manufactures and outsourcing I’d say should be enough to deliver all the pre-orders received within one year, after the official public presentation
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Svein:
Thank you for the insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea
Solar cells and wind turbines have problems with very varying energy access.
I have now understood the same to be the case for Ecat when energy is to be obtained from ZPE.
I understand that with a high number of units working together, the variations are balanced out.
I am now sure that you have adequate measurements of the variations in the power that a single Ecat is able to obtain from ZPE.
I think that a presentation of power curves from measurements here will be very interesting for all your followers.
Otherwise, I think that a battery that is to be charged by a smaller Ecat must primarily have a property that allows the charging current to be very high compared to what normal batteries can withstand.
I doubt that such batteries are currently fully developed.
Regards Svein
Dr Rossi,
Assuming, by absurd, that your global licensee should start in the next days the deliveries to the wide public the Ecat, which would be today the manufacturing capacity of the existing facilities at the status they are now ?
Best,
JPR
Harold:
Theoretically with heat is possible to make cold. Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
You stated on X the following:
“In these heaters, E-Cat modules generate electricity which will be turned into heat by means of electrical resistors.”
I am not an expert on electrical resitors or anything, but could these mentioned resistors also be able to do do the opposite as well, meaning can these be used to generate cooling.
So you can use the new Ecat product as an airconditioning unit to generate both heating and cooling?
Kind regards,
Harold
Manuel Cilia:
The function of the resistive load is to generate heat by the Joule effect. To the rest of the question I already answered: we are working on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
JJ:
No,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Axil:
Thank you,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear andrea
Is the heater a heat pump?
Best Regards
JJ
How much income will a home owner garnish by added kilowatts of NGU power increase to his home electrical system?
To calculate exactly how much income a homeowner can generate by adding an extra kilowatt (kW) of capacity, we must analyze the net revenue from selling continuous Never Give Up (NGU) power back to the DC microgrid.
1. Calculate Annual Energy Production
A 1 kW system running continuously (24/7/365) generates a fixed amount of electricity every year:
2. Determine Gross Annual Income
The income depends entirely on the utility’s buyback rate (often aligned with localized wholesale or retail rates). Below is the gross annual income generated per kW at various common utility export rates:
Export Rate (per kWh) Gross Annual Income (per Added kW )
$0.05 (Low/Wholesale) $438.00
$0.10 (Average Grid Export) $876.00
$0.15 (High/Time-of-Use Peak) $1,314.00
$0.20 (Premium Green/DC Grid Rate) $1,752.00
A distributed HVDC based NGU home network and grid system as defined below will convert the AI data center from a burdensome cost on their electric bills to a profit cost center that supplements their incomes. Electric customers will be lobbying to have a data center built in their communities.
The final end product for NGU home system is a distributed power system for both the grid and the home.
Summary of Costs and Savings
This section aggregates all metrics to highlight the financial and structural alignment between the utility and the end-user under a unified DCV/NGU paradigm.
Home User Summary
Initial Investment: $4,000 per kW for NGU generation equipment.
Optimized 800V/380V DC internal wiring components are parity-priced with AC due to data center economies of scale.
Direct Efficiency Savings: $267.75 per year saved by bypassing AC-to-DC conversion overhead.
Net Value Generated: $1,489.20 per year per kW via combined direct self-consumption and direct DC grid export.
Net 11-Year Household Profit (Per kW):
Utility Provider Summary
Generation Capital Reductions: 100% elimination of AC synchronous generators, central turbines, and phase-matching systems.
Distribution Efficiency Savings: Line losses drop from ~7% down to ~2.5%, saving the utility millions of megawatt-hours across the network.
Infrastructure Capital Savings: 33% reduction in distribution cable raw materials and 35% reduction in substation footprints by switching from AC transformers to high-power DC-DC converters.
Data Center Symbiosis: The utility can route raw 800V DC power directly from residential NGU clusters straight into data center server rows, bypassing both utility step-down transformers and data center entry rectifiers.
Critical Takeaways for Both Stakeholders
For the Home User: The combination of 380V DC internal infrastructure and an NGU generator fundamentally transforms the home from a cost-center into an independent, highly efficient micro-utility. Safety risks like DC arcing are completely mitigated by the commercial commercialization of solid-state circuit breakers born out of the 800V data center ecosystem.
For the Utility: Instead of managing volatile, weather-dependent AC renewables that require massive grid-scale battery storage, the utility acts as an optimization broker for a highly predictable, distributed, decentralized network of continuous NGU DC nodes.
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@axil
“In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application”.
In most heating boilers the electrical part does the sensing of in house temp, water temp, occasionally outside temp, etc, all resulting in a single ON to create heat or OFF when either the in-house temp or water temp is reached
Provided the electrical part is connected to the grid and the ECAT can use that ON/OFF signal to start or stop producing heat i see no reason the heatproducing part can’t be exchanged for an ECAT
Dear Dr Rossi
you where talking about using resistive heating in the smaller Ecat units, is the heat generated by the resistor critical to the Ecat to work or can we just use a large battery to act as a load for the ecat and also supply power to the ecat (maybe for some heating function) and then suppy the grid or households with power from the batteries via an inverter. I am just trying to understand the function of the resistive load.
Thank you
Will home based DC power at 800 volts DC be made possible by the development of the 800 volt DC standard now used in data centers to provide circuit breakers and other devices required to wire a NGU enabled home at 800 volts DC?
AI answer
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See Nvidia’s data-center 800 VDC technology plan here:
Powering AI Factories With 800 VDC
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/technologies/800-vdc-architecture/
Ecat believer:
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@axil
In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application.
In most heat8ng boilers the electric part does thexsensibg of in house temp, water temp etc all resulting in a single ON to create hwat or OFf when either using house temp or water temp is reached
If the exam can use that on/off signal there’s no reason the heatprodycibg oart can’t be exchanged for obe
Svein:
Thank you for your insight,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Frank Acland:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Manuel Cilia:
I do not undestand exactly your question: please rephrase,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Axil:
Thank you,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
In an electric home heating boiler, their designs requires a “within the specs” electrical source to feed the sensors, thermostats, and motors need to control pumping hot water through the radiator system. Just powering heating electrodes fall short of this application.
Since your large board count systems can SSM, there is no excuse for the partner not offering this product. What an opportunity.
The partner should consider offering a high voltage high powered variant of their current grid power solution to offer data centers a 800 volt DC power platform that could directly interface data center racks and cooling. The need for this power format is huge and the demand will as great.
To handle the massive power demands of next-generation AI and high-performance computing (HPC) clusters, the data center industry is rapidly shifting to 800V DC (Direct Current) architectures.
As computing demands scale, legacy 54V and 48V power distribution structures have become bottlenecks. The 800V standard solves the physics problem of delivering megawatts of power to a single footprint.
Why the Shift to 800V DC
By doubling the voltage, the current is halved. This drastically reduces resistive power losses and allows operators to shrink the thickness and weight of copper busbars and cables by up to 45%.
High-voltage power conversion equipment is being moved out of the IT rack or integrated into dedicated “power shelves”, freeing up valuable space for more computing resources (GPUs). By minimizing the number of AC-to-DC and DC-to-DC conversions improves end-to-end efficiency into the mid-90th percentile.
Major chip manufacturers (like NVIDIA), server OEMs, and power management suppliers (such as Schneider Electric, Vertiv, and Flex) are heavily standardizing around 800V DC.
Due to legacy infrastructure, many early implementations use “sidecar” power architectures, which generate 800V DC on specialized modules positioned beside conventional racks without requiring immediate, massive facility overhauls.
High-density 800V DC racks are actively hitting the market, with full-scale native deployments anticipated to become the hyperscale baseline.
For a closer look at the power conversion technology required, you can review details shared by hardware partners like the NVIDIA 800 VDC Architecture or the Neuberger Berman industry brief as follows:
https://www.drivesandcontrols.ca/latest-articles/nvidia-800-vdc-architectu/
Dear Dr Rossi, just so I can get some understanding of the problem, if we use a large Battery to act as a load instead of the resistors would that work or do you need the heat from the resistor to help control the Ecats.
Thanks
Dear Andrea,
When you write, “the heater is a separate item”, does this mean that if the heating resistors fail, they can easily be replaced, and connected back to the E-Cat unit?
Thank you very much,
Frank Acland
Dear Andrea
I greatly appreciate that a global presentation of Ecat may come this year.
Life on our planet is completely dependent on the relationship with another planet.
This planet is the sun. All our currently used energy originated in and still comes from the sun. The sun’s gravity keeps the earth in an orbit that ensures our regularity.
The sun’s constant energy supply to the earth and its firm grip on our position in space act as a solid “umbilical cord”.
We are completely dependent on this functioning stably without us being able to influence the relationship ourselves.
Our very complex atmosphere contains the necessary oxygen and a lot of water vapor that provides life-giving rain. The Earth’s significant amounts of water, both as liquid and ice, otherwise ensure that solar influences are balanced in a way that plants and animals on Earth have adapted to.
The atmosphere can be considered the “womb” of the Earth and its nature.
It protects us in terms of temperature and against harmful radiation.
We depend on the atmosphere, which we now strongly influence, also functioning satisfactorily.
Our use of fossil energy with disruptive CO2 emissions will have dramatic consequences for humanity and all other life on our planet.
If an alternative energy source has now been found that is easily accessible and equipment has been developed to utilize this source, it appears to be a “miracle”.
I have a feeling that your followers are not young people, but people with experience, knowledge and understanding of the problems our current energy use creates.
It is therefore unbearably exciting for your followers to receive confirmation that the presented possible “miracle” is indeed a truth.
Regards Svein
Daniel G. Zavela:
Thank you for your support,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Simon:
Thank you for your suggestion; actually, the heater is a separate item.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi!
An electric heater has a limited lifespan. Therefore, it would be sensible to physically separate the Ecat and the electric heater. Ideally, the Ecat could be connected directly to an existing electric heater or electric boiler. Would that be feasible?
Warm regards
Simon
Dear Dr. Rossi,
“Our R&D is proceeding to make possible SSM directly without integrating the E-Cat process with the Carnot cycle for both large plants and small assemblies.” This goal statement for your R&D gives me great hope for a 100W Ecat electric generator on my desk in the future.
Had anyone else had made your R&D goal statement I would have doubts.
I have no doubt you will succeed and have many adventures and learnings along the way.
Wishing you the best of good luck with your R&D
Best Regards,
Daniel G. Zavela
FAO Greg Leonard
The dangers of ‘balcony PV’ Systems, ‘reverse power’ flows, and lack of a trained electrician
The highest level of electrical protection is achieved by fitting BI-DIRECTIONAL RCBOs[1:] in the correct places. Do NOT fit reverse current devices to switchboard circuits that lack bi-directional protection. I am the proud owner of a burnt-out protection module, which is why I know about ths.
[1:]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Niglon-40amp-Bi-Directional-SSAX2-16Amp/dp/B0FH2P6MBP?s=diy
Product description
Niglon A Type Switched Line & Neutral Bi-Directional 1P+N Mini Combined 240V 30mA B Curve RCBO The Niglon RCBO1- /30SSAX2 RCBO is designed to safeguard ring mains, socket circuits, and high-demand power outlets. Combining overcurrent, short-circuit, and 30mA residual current protection in a compact 18mm-wide unit, it features a Curve B trip characteristic, ideal for general-purpose circuits with higher loads.
This model includes BI-DIRECTIONAL fault detection, ESSENTIAL for SOLAR PV installations [I would add batteries, car chargers, NGUs[https://ecatthenewfire.com/pre-order-the-ecat-sklep/] and any other reverse current devices] where current can flow in either direction. Unlike conventional RCBOs, which only protect against faults in one direction, this device ensures continuous protection regardless of energy flow — making it an excellent choice for PV-ready consumer units.
In addition, it offers Type A RCD protection and switched line and neutral, simplifying maintenance and improving safety throughout the installation. These RCBO’s are the latest Bi-Directional Switched Neutral Space saver compact size ones Each RCBO is brand new and manufacturer boxed.
Greg Leonard:
Thank you for your suggestions,
Warm Regards,
A.R.