United States Patent US 9,115,913 B1

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  • Andrea Rossi

    WaltC:
    Thank you for the suggestion,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • WaltC

    Dr. Rossi,

    I haven’t seen this mentioned here, though it’s fairly obvious:

    Even better than a test that starts out at 100% charge and ends up at 100% charge, would be a test that starts out at 50% charge (for example) and ends up at something greater than 50% charge.

    Either way, it will be exciting to watch.

    Best Wishes,
    WaltC

  • Heinz Sause

    Hello Dr. Rossi !
    Recycling now also plays a role in vehicle batteries
    an increasing role.
    What does that mean for ecat technology?
    Best regards
    Heinz Sause

  • Andrea Rossi

    Horst Ludwig:
    We will give the details of the test the day before it
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Horst Ludwig

    What make and model is your EV?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Frank Acland:
    The power will be adapted, for this reason we combine modules to allow to reach the due power the specific EV demands,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Frank Acland

    Dear Andrea,

    You are working on a system to charge an EV battery for a particular vehicle. Will the system you have built work for any EV, or will a different system need to be adapted for each particular model?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

  • Andrea Rossi

    WaltC:
    1-2) we have a complex A.I. about which cannot give information.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • WaltC

    Dr. Rossi,

    In solar panels, reliability (and warranty period) is increased through the use of bypass and blocking diodes. For instance, in a string of cells (serial connected), if a single cell were to fail (or become temporarily shaded) a bypass diode prevents that failure from blocking current flow within the string. (A similar thing can be said about blocking diodes & parallel connections).

    The net result is that while failures within a solar panel can occur, the panel will still operate reliably, although at slightly reduced voltage and/or current (which the solar inverter can accommodate).

    1) For E-cat assemblies, are you considering a similar architecture– where diodes and extra E-cat-10w units are utilized to increase the reliability of the entire assembly?

    2) Would you expect that such an approach might allow for a longer Warranty period?

    Best Wishes,
    WaltC

  • Andrea Rossi

    Maico:
    You understood exactly and your suggestions make sense,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Iggy Dalrymple:
    Thank you,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Dear Dr Rossi,
    I notified Marquess Brownlee of your pending ev demo. Mr Brownlee has 17 million subcribers and covers electric vehicles and battery power.

    I also notified Matt Ferrell who covers new sustainable power technology.
    Best Regards,
    Iggy Dalrymple

  • Maico

    Dear Dr Rossi,

    following the answer he gave me the other day, I’m trying to identify and involve the recognized Youtuber, Blogger, Expert Journalist of the EV world, who has the “open mind” and “the honesty” to “certify” what he will see and verify, in maximum transparency, at his demonstration. If I find him, I trust that, as promised, I too will be able to participate in what I consider “the event of the year”;)

    For once I don’t want to ask questions (or rather I’ll ask only one 😉 ) but if possible I would like to suggest what for me could be a convincing demonstration.

    I read Roberto’s clarification and at the same time your answer….
    I’d like to link to that and have my say if I may 🙂

    He has already said that the EV will move continuously in the selected racetrack for 12 hours and that it will stop every “TOT” hours (Italian way of saying to indicate an unspecified number of hours), for a few seconds only for the driver change.
    The battery charge status monitoring points (DoD and SoC) will be at the start and finish.
    What he wants to demonstrate to the participants is that the EV, the KM it will have covered in the 12 hours of the demonstration, will have covered them practically without consuming the battery.

    1) Can you confirm that I understood correctly?

    Honestly it’s a very “Important” statement and I sincerely hope that You are successful !!!
    I would also hope to be able to personally attend such an important event !!!

    Coming to the suggestion:

    a) In my opinion you should use a small EV, the kind used for the city (Dacia Spring, Renault Twingo, Smart EQ Volkswagen E-up or other).

    The important thing is that it is a “known” and available EV on the market that with a “full charge” can travel a few KM (100-250 max).
    In this way, even if it were to travel the route at reduced speed, the kilometers traveled in 12 hours would still be many.
    Well, if the Ev car, as I can imagine, will be a standard car, it could never travel without Ecat more than double if not triple the Km recognized by its WLTP cycle.

    Furthermore, being a “standard” car, as Roberto also suggested, with a simple ODB2 adapter and a simple application for a few euros (I know how to use them too and I would also know which ones to suggest), the Blogger, Youtuber, Etc who involved will be able to read without any problem, the DoD and the SoC of the electric vehicle both at the start and at the finish, and maybe even record its variation (which I imagine won’t be there) during the demonstration (you said it would could leave and seal his instrumentation inside the EV during the demonstration)

    I don’t want to sound “too intrusive”.
    If so, I apologize, I’m just still impressed by the announcement you made (epochal for me) and therefore I wanted to try to “transfer” my thoughts to you with the sole purpose of allowing you to have the success it deserves.

    Regards Maico

  • Tesla Owner

    Dr Rossi,
    Correct, the measure of the charge of the EV battery is normal and easy.
    Godspeed,
    T.O.

  • Jean Paul

    Roberto,
    thank you for your past due point,
    Jean Paul

  • Andrea Rossi

    Roberto:
    Thank you for your answer, you got the point,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Roberto

    @Steven Nicholes Karels, Alessandro Ferrari, Jan Srajer, et Al.
    I think you all did not understand the point: Dr Rossi is not making a competition with Tesla or Anyone Else, the test of Rossi is aimed to give evidence of the fact that after 12 hours of continuous run the EV where the Ecat has been installed will consume nothing, and to give this evidence the charge of the battery will be measured, with the normal professional instrumentation, that the battery charge at the arrival after 12 hours will be exactly as it was at the start. Somebody wrote somewhere that to measure the charge of a battery is not possible or difficult or imprecise: who says this has no idea of what is a car battery. I have a Tesla and I can read exactly the charge of its battery anytime I want.
    Therefore the issue is : can a Tesla or Whatever Else run for 12 hours and, after 12 hours of continuous running without recharging, can arrive with the battery still full ?
    This is the core of the test.
    Best to all,
    Roberto

  • Jan Šrajer

    Mr.Steven Nicholes Karels
    You’re making it pretty complicated. The Tesla 3 Long Range AWD model has an average consumption tested by ADAC, for example, of 20.9kWh/100km and a range of approximately 500km. It is important that the ride is dynamic to match normal driving. Then it would be enough to equip the batteries with a 20 – 24kW E-catSKLep charger with the possibility of extending the journey at the request of journalists.
    Warm Regards J.Š

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    A Youtube video on the fastest EV ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xP4DI_5g4

    Thoughts?

  • Alessandro Ferrari

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    Very interesting analysis but you should consider as range(and power consumption change with speed.
    Here is some reference data for Tesla
    https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/15/tesla-range-plotted-relative-to-speed-temperature-graphs/

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear readers of the JONP,

    I did an analysis on what speed range and SKLep SSM output energy will be needed for the 12-hour EV demonstration. I appreciate any comments you may have.

    Assumptions:
    1. A single EV equipped with an SKLep SSM power unit running at constant speed (except for one or more very short pit stops) running for 12 hours.
    2. The unmodified EV has a range of 300 statute miles.
    3. EV efficiency is specified as 0.23 kW-hrs per statute mile (the value for a Tesla Model 3).
    4. The ratio (between the range after 12 hours of continuous operation and the unmodified range) is assumed to be desired to be between 3 and 6.
    5. Average speed was examined between 10 mph and 200 mph is 10 mph increments.

    Note: The ratio is the factor between the total distance traveled in 12-hours divided by the battery-only EV range (300 miles in this example).

    Results:
    1. A speed of 80 mph yielded a ratio of 3.2 with a required average charging power of 18.4 kW.
    2. A speed of 90 mph yielded a ratio of 3.6 with a required average charging power of 20.7 kW. (speed close to Nardo lane #2 speed).
    3. A speed of 120 mph yielded a ratio of 4.8 with a required average charging power of 27.6 kW. (speed close to Nardo lane #3 speed).
    4. A speed of 150 mph yielded a ratio of 6.0 with a required average charging power of 34.5 kW. (speed close to Nardo lane #4 speed).

    Notes:
    1. The actual SKLep SSM will likely produce more than the required average power level to accommodate inefficiencies.
    2. The Nardo test range has 4 lanes. Each lane has a neutral speed where no lateral forces occur to the vehicle.
    3. The Nardo test track is in Italy.
    4. The EV speed should be high enough to differentiate actual range vs battery-only EV range without the speed becoming dangerous.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Koen Vandewalle:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Koen Vandewalle

    Let’s assume that the Wright brothers’ stunt must have caused quite a bit of displeasure among the traditional, established fortress builders. Apparently, these latter ones were informed too late to push the inventors off a cliff or mix poison in their drinks.

    The mainstream media is controlled by established powers. During the first presentation to the press of Andrea Rossi’s invention in 2010, these media outlets, as usual, brought in a few so-called experts who are paid by established powers. These experts then talked about the need for more budgets for “real research.” I won’t repeat everything here.

    In my opinion, the essence of the presentation should focus on this: The Western economy is doing well with an energy price of approximately $13 per (thermal) Megawatt-hour (MWh). This is the price level of oil prior to 1970 and the price level of (Russian) natural gas now (approximately $25 per MWh spot TTF). Moreover, the energy should be easy to use. So, no large chunks of coal that need to be pulverized or volatile gas that needs to be transported in special tanks, but preferably liquid at room temperature or even better: mobile electric.

    All other sources of energy are fairy tales. In the mainstream media, they have been telling fairy tales for more than ten years now. This is, of course, an inconvenient realization for those media outlets when there is suddenly a real alternative that can serve as a drop-in replacement for oil.

    I quickly calculated that with the E-Cat, we end up with electricity at approximately $25 per MWh: $25 per 10 Watt, with a lifespan of 100,000 hours. For the industry, this is still relatively expensive because they often do not require a mobile power source and can continue using gas or coal. However, for the end user, this is a very competitive price that has been proven sustainable for a modern economy.

    In the 1960s, all applications that had been working with pack animals, hydropower, or windmills since the Middle Ages were replaced by machines powered by diesel or gasoline because it was much more economically profitable. Even sailing ships had already been replaced by steam engines. It would be quite problematic for humanity to have to rely on old energy sources for all energy needs again. This would undoubtedly lead to mass migration and war caused by hunger and poverty.

    Furthermore, we are witnessing a global increase in freshwater problems: in certain places and times, there are significant shortages, while in other places and times, there are floods. The climate has so far provided a relatively even distribution of freshwater, allowing human settlements to grow where they are now. The climate has done this for free, and no additional energy source was needed to provide everyone with the necessary amount of water. In the future, a considerable amount of energy will undoubtedly be required to obtain freshwater in the right quantities where it is needed. I cannot calculate whether the E-Cat is cheap enough to achieve this.

    Now back to the upcoming stunt of Andrea Rossi with his electric car:
    Considering the first two paragraphs, I expect that the pawns of the mainstream media could skillfully hinder progress, for example, by extensively featuring doubters and trolls. Nevertheless, an electric car that can drive infinitely far is something that captivates the imagination of many people. It’s truly a fairy tale coming true.

    Best Regards,
    Koen

  • Andrea Rossi

    Juan Carlos:
    Good point,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Manuel Cilia:
    We are “on the road” to arrive there,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Robert Maxwell:
    Thank you for the 2 links,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    The Rutan Long EZ is a class of experimental aircraft. Many types of these experimental aircraft have used automobile engines for their powerplants. In addition, the altitude limits of these aircraft are typical of what an automobile engine must deal with. Of course, any such experimental certification must go through the origin countries process to be declared airworthy. My point was that your technology will likely spread to areas and uses that you originally did not anticipate.

  • Robert Maxwell

    Hi Dr Rossi
    The is new eFuel plant being built in Texas by HIF Global. One of thing they need is approximately 300,000 tons of green hydrogen separated from water using renewable electricity. This could be a great place for a huge Ecat installation.
    https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a43756208/efuel-production-coming-to-texas/

    Blessing to you and your team.

  • manuel cilia

    Dear Dr Rossi
    I am not sure if your people have allowed a top buffer in the battery for the EV as you will need some space to allow for regen braking. if the ev battery is at 80-90% SOC that should be enough for regen braking. I always imaged a system where the battery would discharge between 80-60% and the ecat would start charging at 60% and then turn off at 80% to allow for regen braking, it is also a very good range to keep the battery healthy. I am waiting for my Ecats to arrive so I can install them into my BMW i3 and replace the small generator.

  • Juan Carlos

    For years, the media ignored the Wright brothers’ breakthrough flight.
    Why?
    Pessimism reigned supreme.

    On December 17th, 1903, the Wright brothers achieved the first powered flight, an accomplishment that is rightfully heralded as one of the greatest of all time. But for almost five years, despite the Wrights’ attempts to alert the press, their breakthrough was ignored. The failed flight attempts of the past primed the press and public to think that powered aircraft were impossible. The saga makes you wonder: What other invention that seems impossible today could be just over the horizon?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Gavino Mamia:
    Thank you for the suggestion; I don’t know if the managemant of the race-track will allow it, for security and safety reasons, but I pass your nice idea to the organization,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gavino Mamia

    Dott. Rossi
    sarebbe molto bello che un drone inquadrasse continuamente l’auto durante il test di 12 ore. Sono tecnologie ormai collaudate che un drone rimanga fermo in volo e continui a inquadrare un veicolo in movimento. Un drone ha 30-40 minuti di autonomia e una durata di 12 ore rafforzerebbe ancora di più il valore del test di durata. Con la nuova IA non dovrebbe essere impossibile da implementare.
    Traslate
    it would be very nice if a drone continuously observed the car during the 12-hour test. It is now proven technologies that a drone remains stationary in flight and continues to frame a moving vehicle. A drone has 30-40 minutes of autonomy and a duration of 12 hours would strengthen the value of the endurance test even more. With the new AI it shouldn’t be impossible to implement

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels,
    We are not ready for air applications,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    JONP Readers,

    A Rutan Long EZ is a home-built aircraft which is very fuel efficient. It uses a Lycoming O-235 engine capable of 115 hp or 86 kW. As an experimental aircraft it can be legally modified to replace the engine type (with FAA approval).

    The specifications for the aircraft at a maximum speed of 185 mph and a cruise speed of 144 mph @ 40% power.

    Consider replacing the gasoline engine with a electric motor (86 kW) and powering the electric motor with eCat SKLep SSM technology.

    If this replacement was done, the pilot could fly from Los Angeles to New York City, an air distance of 2,445 miles, in about 16 hours, at cruise speed or in 13 hours at max speed.

  • Andrea Rossi

    EV Expert:
    You are right: our EV has a panel that shows the battery charge in continuous and it is easy to connect the two cables of an external multimeter to the battery without compromising the race.
    I received your credentials and will circle back soon,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nichole’s Karels:
    Thank you for the suggestions,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • EV Expert

    Dr Rossi,
    Your idea to allow an EV expert to measure the battery charge at the start and at the arrival is excellent: I know how a battery works in an EV and I know that all the EV have a panel that shows with precision the DOD and the SOC of the battery; an expert of the art knows perfectly how to connect a multimeter to the battery of an EV and make a precise measurement.
    I emailed to you my address and remain at your disposal to make the measurements.
    God speed
    EV Expert

  • Andrea Rossi

    Peter Thomas:
    Thank you for the suggestion,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • peter thomas

    Dear Andrea Rossi

    May I suggest https://fullycharged.show/about-fully-charged/
    as have an established and very professional multi-media presence specialising in electric vehicles – with over a million subscribers and stages international events in North America, Canada and Europe. Main presenter – Robert Lewellyn a knowledgable and enthusiastic writer, broadcaster and actor who relates well
    Hope of some assistance

    Warm Regards and His Blessings

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I read your envisioned plan of a 12-hour EV demonstration with only a single driver change-out after 6 hours with only a few seconds of pit stop time. I would think there are some safety concerns. The pit stop should include at least a tire inspection, tire tread depth and tire pressure checks, even if the EV has a Tire Pressure Management System (TPMS). There is also the human need for breaks – 6 hours of continuous driving, can, even for a professional driver, be a very long time. Lack of concentration may occur.

    You might also want to consider a video and/or telemetry system that continuously shows the state of the EV, a camera view of the instrumentation display, and a view of the road. Possibly a drone view of the EV as it drives around the track?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Italo R.:
    Thank uou for your support,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Italo R.

    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    This is the most important announcement made for Ecat, at least for 2 reasons:
    1) – It would finally be advertised worldwide through specialists in the sector. After the demo, orders will surely skyrocket.
    2) – This technology would give the world, for the first time, the concrete possibility of reducing or completely eliminating CO2 emissions in all those applications that require the use of energy from fossil fuels, starting from transport.
    We all are extremely excited!

    Kind Regards,
    Italo R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Maico:
    1) Yes
    2) Yes, but I must know who he is: if he is an expert of EV, and a powerful influencer of the sector, I have an idea: he could install his instrumentation to measure the DOD an the SOC of the battery at the start of the race and measure the charge of the battery, eventually measuring again at the arrival, because I expect that some troll will say that the measurement of the charge has been tempered. He will measure the battery charge, then he seals his instrumentation and leaves it connected and at the arrival he reads again the status of the charge and takes back his instrumentation, while everybody will see that the car never stopped for 12 hours, while the pit stop to change pilot after 6 hours will last few seconds and it will happen in front of the tribune, where everybody will see that as the car stops in 1 second the door opens, in 2 seconds the first pilot exits, in 2 seconds the second pilot gets in the car and immediately starts: f… the trolls.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Maico

    Dear Dr Rossi,

    I haven’t written on your blog for a while, lately I haven’t found any particular news on which to ask specific questions or on which to request clarification.

    But yesterday my attention was immediately attracted by this:

    https://ecatthenewfire.com/885-2/

    what he announced is a demonstration that “in my opinion”, in terms of importance, it is an order of magnitude superior to all the other demos he has made.

    A) In your answers today, I read that the purpose of the demo is to demonstrate that an EV powered by an Ecat will circulate continuously on a circuit (at least so I think I understood) for 12 hours without ever stopping (except for the change of pilots) and without ever being reloaded, without practically consuming the battery, as he has just written that the DoD and the SoC measured at the start of the demonstration and those measured at the end of the demonstration will be the same (if I understand correctly what wrote I can’t deny I was very impressed by the statement):

    If I may I would like to ask him a couple of questions:

    1) What I have described immediately above in point A) is a correct statement !!! Did I get it right?

    2) If you knew a Blogger, influencer, person from a newspaper in the EV sector, therefore known to most, interested in his demonstration, who, following my “promotion of his announcement”, managed to gain credit for his demo, and this person also requests my participation as a companion, could I hope to be able to participate in this which in my opinion would be an event that will be remembered forever?

    Excuse me for my direct questions, but the announcement he made is the one I’ve been sincerely waiting for years and so I can’t deny that my intention would be to BE THERE!!!

    I sincerely hope you can/will answer both of my questions.

    Regards Maico

  • Andrea Rossi

    Steven Nicholes Karels:
    This information will be given during the streaming
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Steven Nicholes Karels

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Regarding your 12-hour SKLep SSM power EV demonstration:

    1. Have you decided on an average speed of the EV during the demonstration?
    2. Are you planning to use the circular Nardo track in Italy?

  • Andrea Rossi

    Piero Ferreri:
    Correct,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Andrea Rossi

    Patrick:
    I know, but the EV powered by the Ecat at the end of the 12 hours uninterrupted run has the battery full: same DOD and SOC it had at the start of the run.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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