Your latest post on X has me curious! Does it mean you’ve already started mass-producing parts for the E-Cat?
It just seems logical that you’d need mass-produced components to build those 22kV test setups, rather than making everything by hand. I also assume the 22kV systems will need plenty of testing before a full-scale rollout.
So, this has me wondering—and hoping!—is there a chance some of us might be able to use an E-Cat to power our homes by the winter of 2025-2026?
The way that the electrical generation market is evolving, the AI power sector will put such a high demand on the installation of the 22KV system that the sales into the home market will be delayed for a indeterminate time frame.
The 22kv system is an ideal redundant high availability power source for AI data centers. RAND projects that global AI data center power demand could reach 327 GW by 2030. This is a high-end estimate that assumes exponential growth trends for AI computation will continue. The NGU likely to get embroiled in this scramble. The partner will be hard pressed to build huge production plants to meet demand.
The largest tech companies, known as hyperscalers, are planning and constructing data centers with capacities of 2 GW or more to meet this demand, a massive increase over previous facilities.
It is hard to imagine that a AI company would opt to field a natural gas powered power source if large NGU systems are on the market. In this type of demand environment, the home market is an insignificant nuisance. The partner will need to sign long term supply contracts to multiple trillion dollar companies what will impose shark penalties for non deliveries.
But what can Dr. Rossi do about this situation? Awhile back, I told Dr. Rossi to come up with a NGU design that integrates the NGU into the AI processor chips to provide direct on board power production. This would make these data centers much more efficient and less impactful to the energy infrastructure. Time will tell if this wisdom comes to pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byUS9-An9ls
AI demand driving up energy costs for everyday Americans, Bloomberg News finds
Dear Dr Rossi
Thank you for your additional information regarding pre-order status. It seems clear that “start of deliveries” is not necessarily the same thing as “start shipping on pre-orders”.
Now IMO the key question your followers would like to know is NOT when product delivery will start because those will likely go to the partner who needs to start trying to recovering on their large investment, but is
“When will product start shipping on the pre-orders?”
I know you can’t answer this question now. Please update us on this timing as soon as you are allowed to, assuming the partner has not already made a public announcement re the start of shipping these pre-orders.
LarryG:
Their massive order has been made before Leonardo Corporation issued the pre-order form and they financed Leonardo Corporation before we issued the pre-order form; all your questions ask for answers I am not able to give, because such decisions do not depend on Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea
The results from the “September tests” seem to fully confirm the expectations about Ecat’s properties.
It is obvious that if 20/22KV modules consist of small modules, the small ones must function perfectly.
I therefore congratulate you, your team, your licensees and all JoNP’s followers, on the result.
It now seems necessary to update https://ecatthenewfire.com/ with any corrections or improvements that have emerged through production conditions and the tests.
This opens up for public tests and measurements carried out by the leading neutral institutions that take care of national and international controls and certifications of such equipment.
Only such confirmations can provide general acceptance for what Ecat can deliver.
As soon as public tests and/or approvals are available, it will also be natural to present the licensees and for the production of Ecat to be initiated.
(Further details such as production volumes and variants may come later.)
The possibility of enormous amounts of energy that Ecat Power can release from the latent, free and eternal energy source ZPE is thereby demonstrated to humanity.
The same applies to the global “democratization” of electricity and the possibilities for safeguarding the global climate by Ecat directly replacing hydrocarbon combustion in all the most extensive areas of use.
Solar panels are a similar example here. Not long ago this was an undiscovered technology. Today it is accepted and widely used without “everyone” understanding the technological details.
The technology to transform wind power and the energy in running water into electricity is also not old in relation to humanity’s original exploitation of these mechanical forces.
It seems possible to convince both political, religious and scientific leaders of the benefit for everyone by acquiring, for example: a 4 kg electronic device for $ 7500 that continuously delivers an output of 3 kW, 24/7 for over 10 years, by emission-free and free electrical energy.
This exemplified amount of energy is today most often covered by burning over 100,000 kg of the planet’s limited HC resources. This also entails an emission of over 200,000 kg of harmful CO2 into our atmosphere.
The energy can be supplied where you are, without expensive, complicated, energy-intensive and vulnerable supply networks.
I also share Neri A.’s considerations about the simplifications that Ecat makes possible here.
Modern society’s high dependence on electricity makes security of supply crucial.
Today’s existing networks will, for a long time, be necessary before a total change is implemented.
Both producers and transporters of energy are given more time to adapt than is usually the case with major industry-specific technological developments.
Today’s one billion people without electrical networks have the easiest choice.
ECAT REPRESENTS A DECISIVE “PARTH OF THE ROAD”. THE CHOICE SEEMS SIMPLE FOR EVERYONE.
Everything mentioned here can be presented to “COP 30” which will be held in Brazil later this fall.
This annual world conference is now perfect to inform everyone about Ecat’s latest developments.
Over 99% of the information base seems to be ready for an imminent presentation.
The gigantic energy needs that new AI infrastructures require could make Ecat an important part of “Project Stargate” if the participants here, early enough, become aware of this upcoming opportunity.
In Silicon Valley, there is currently great concern that they will not get enough electricity to build out more AI capacity.
Here may 20/22 KV units be most relevant.
Dr. Rossi, thanks for the additional information re Global Licensee.
I am trying to get a feel for how long we will have to wait for our small pre-orders to get shipped once deliveries start.
Do I interpret your comment correctly to mean the partner is the first to place a ##massive### order, and their are smaller orders placed prior to this massive one?
I suspect that your partner will not be able to use their entire order quantity right away and put some into inventory if shipped to them in full. So…will the partner phase his deliveries over time so that some of the other pre-orders placed after theirs will get filled prior to their massive pre-order being completely filled?
Or is it that once their order starts shipping, will we have to wait for their order to be completed before the next in line will get theirs?.
Frank Acland:
Thank you for the link.
The big units of 22 kV are just assemblies of small units. The pre-orders will be respected.
Our Global Licensee has been the first, years ago, to send a pre-order for a massive number of Ecats, even if our license agreement has been signed eventually, and he has financed Leonardo Corporation since the year 2018.
The decision of when to start the deliveries to all the next pre-orders will not depend on Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi
Frank alerted us to the publishing of this months monthly update. In it you wrote “The start of deliveries is still scheduled to happen within this year,” but also “The Global Licensee is intensifying tests for modules that will generate 20/22 kV “. If your partner starts shipping these, and only these, high end products before the end of the year then the projection for shipping by year end will have been successfully met, but those of us that have placed pre-orders a long time ago will not be getting anything.
I fully understand that you have no control over which products get shipped first once deliveries start, but do you have any information as to what product they will ship first? Will any of the 10W/100W/1000W versions be shipped?
Please give us at least your best guess as to whether or not we will be getting the products we have already placed pre-orders for starting before year end.
Jumping to the Power the Grid discussion, there is no need for a high voltage eCat Power Generator. Use the eCat Power Generator to generate DC power, convert it to the local voltage levels using off the shelf inverters, and then use standard Grid transformers to convert the voltage to the Grid intermediate voltage. Simple solutions are generally better…
Neri Accornero
I agree with you, the beauty of Ecat is not having to rely on the electricity grid.
I’m sorry I couldn’t meet you in person, I went into the hardware store in Badesi and they told me you’d just left.
Dear Andrea,
Producing high-voltage ECAT for “connecting it to the grid” seems like absolute nonsense and sheer folly, given the difficulties you’d face. Ensuring the constant, stable operation of hundreds of thousands of 10W generators in series-parallel configurations is an almost impossible endeavor, not to mention the necessity of managing voltage, current, and phase for grid connection. The ECAT represents a conceptual revolution, not just a scientific one; it’s “infinite energy scaled on site,” from a pocket flashlight to an ocean liner. This is a situation humanity has never experienced before. Any traditional fire requires transporting fuel.
I believe that the industrial production of ECAT should focus squarely on this aspect: on-site availability at the required energy load. Even on the aforementioned ocean liner, you wouldn’t have one massive central plant, but thousands of ECAT units of varying power for every single application, from individual refrigerators, to single pumps, to each motors, etc.
Neri
I would not be surprised if the global licensee of the Ecat will start the deliveries only with the intermediate power line stations for the following reasons:
– a lot of soi disant R&D companies specializing on cold fusion and its derivations are collecting funds from investors while promising that within this year they will start the production of their energy generators: what a strange coincidence with the same term by which the deliveries of the Ecat will give them the chance to buy an Ecat and make its reverse engineering !
– intermediate power line stations are highly professionally managed and will make the corroboration of solid ground of reputation to the Ecat to make sure that the Ecat is a safe and reliable product, to avoid that malicious and fake news of unreliability could attack the reputation of the Ecat
– if a partner of the global licensee is an energy provider that has his own intermediate power line stations, probably they are already working on it
We’ll see, though !
David
Dear Andrea,
after your publication was removed from ResearchGate, have you considered submitting it to another online archive such as arXiv, Zenodo, or Academia?
Regards, Giuseppe
Richard:
1. not so far
2. my theoretical support is in the paper “Ecat SK and long range particle interactions” published on Researchgate, whose link is here: http://www.ecat.com
This paper is not for the layman, but the laymen do not need theoretical explications, just need to read the instructions manual
3. nonsense
4. this decision will not depend on me
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Good morning Dr. Rossi, do you know if there’s a 100W Ecat planned, with a plastic casing and at least two USB ports?
Like the power banks currently on the market?
A portable device like this, which doesn’t require charging, would be a recommended purchase.
We’re all eagerly awaiting the October report.
Good luck!
1. Do you plan to make available any kind of app to remotely monitor and/or control the ecat power units?
2. To help laypersons like myself to understand the source of the energy produced by the ecat from the vacuum, which seems mysterious to such a layperson, would it be accurate to say that the energy is captured from energy passing through the ecat, or captured from energy residing latent within the ecat itself, or neither?
3. If the energy is latent within the ecat, can it be exhausted?
4. For those of us who placed ecat pre-orders long ago, will orders be shipped in the order received or will some large volume customers receive preference over earlier orders so as to crowd out those earlier orders?
Good morning Dr Rossi,
the shut of of the Ecat is more power is taken is a huge issue because if units are parallel connected then each voltage will change even by few millivolts and thus current will not be distributed evenly between modules. This will create a huge risk of having all modules stopping if one (or few) are delivering voltage higher than others, a “chain reaction” will begin and soon all the modules will shut off.
If modules are on the opposite series connected again the one delivering higher voltage will easily overload and thus the whole chain will stop to deliver voltage.
In my opinion what is required is a device using “switched capacitors” connected between the true ECat output and the load. In this way you can adjust once for ever not the current but instead the amount of charge you are taking from the ECat.
This is done by charging a number of capacitors on the Ecat side while the same number of capacitors are discharged on the load side. By doing this if the load increase simply the voltage on the load side will drop but on ECat side the load can be kept always the same.
Now a days this electronics can be made very cheap as only ceramic capacitors can be used and few Mosfets.
Actually similar circuits are already common for balancing out series connected battery cells.
I can imagine you are working on something similar but it can be very interesting to know some more about the topic
Looking forward if you can enter into details as this topic has nothing to do with your core technology while will have a big impact to the practical application of the technology
The simplest circuit I can think of is a resistor in series with the lamp. For a 12VDC 10W supply, a 14 Ohm, 5W resistor would probably work. Once you received the eCat 10W unit, you could try smaller resistance values. At 14 Ohms, the voltage at the lamp would about 6 Volts.
Alternatively, use a current limiting circuit consisting of a few resistors, a transistor, and a MOSFET.
I have a concern regarding production capacity and public communication.
If your licensee’s partner is developing medium-voltage grid applications, their needs could account for nearly all ECAT production, yet this sector is unlikely to generate mainstream public awareness.
My question is: does this risk leaving early pre-order customers with a very long wait?
Dear AR,
I understand the NGU will stop working if I try to take more than 10W (0.85A). A single, old fashioned, 5W car bulb will attempt to draw much more than the limit. Is there a simple circuit I could introduce to limit the start up current to 0.85A until the bulb warms up and settles to 0.425A?
regards
Greg Leonard
My analysis was directed toward the smallest eCat system that made sense. If selling back to the Grid is entertained, then much larger kW systems would make sense.
To Steven N. C.
I refer to yesterday’s post: “Design for a Minimalist eCat Residential System.”
Here I do not see that you have included costs, both financial and environmental, in connection with heating in winter and air conditioning in summer.
Nor have you included the good business opportunities that supplying electricity to your closest neighbors and local business/industry, via the existing electricity network, represents.
Alleviating the load on today’s undersized network will save significant costs for the network owner and further for every consumer.
By taking into account all the possibilities that Ecat opens up for both the individual and society, it seems to me that taking a starting point in covering my maximum electricity needs is the smartest thing to do.
By selling the exsess power , which will primarily be distributed to the closest others in the network, my total costs can probably be covered faster than the next 10 years.
I encourage you to use your analytical skills to assess such a situation for the US market.
Assume a residential house – eCat power for the lights, the Stove, the television, the electric Water Heater, and the refrigerator. Items that would need to be powered during a Grid blackout.
The average residential home (in the US) consumes 64 gallons of heated water per day.
It takes 0.244 kW-hrs to raise 1 gal of water 100 degC.
The temperature difference (60 degC heated temperature minimum 20 degC inlet temperature) is 40 degC.
Total daily energy demand for the water heater is about 6.25 kW-hrs
A refrigerator uses 1 – 2 kW-hrs per day.
A television uses about 6 kW-hrs per day, assume 500W and 12 hrs per day.
Lighting is assumed to consume about 4 kW-hrs per day.
A stove is assumed to consume 6 kW-hrs per day.
Total energy consumption is about 24 kW-hrs per day.
Assume an eCat 1 kW Power Generator running continuously. Its output goes into a smart solar inverter which is connected to a 48 VDC battery system with 100 Amp-hr capacity.
The smart solar inverter control power going to the water heater, the stove, and the refrigerator, so that only one load is active at any one time, as required.
The solar inverter would need to provide 120VAC/240VAC split phase power, probably around the 8 – 10 kW capacity.
Dedicated electrical wiring, independent of Grid power conductor would be needed.
This Grid Independent eCat power would provide the majority of the average daily electrical needs. Other power needs (heating, cooling, etc) depend on the climate and additional needs.
Hello Andrea, a simple question. Let’s say I will buy two E-cats. One with 1kW output, the other one of 100 Watts. Let’s imagine I need to power up a device which needs 1080 Watts. Is there a way to combine these two units to obtain the needed output? Warm regards, Max
It is hoped that commercialization of the NGU will produce a condition of overabundance in energy production to forestall looming competition between corporate and human allocation of resources. Without a sucessful effort to introduce the NGU into general use, hard to deal with issues are likely to be on the horizon as follows:
Competition for resources—including electrical power, water, and land—is emerging between AI and human customers. As AI grows more capable and widespread, its increasing demands for energy and cooling are straining existing infrastructure, which can impact resource availability and costs for everyone.
The competition for resources
Electrical power: Data centers that power AI are consuming a rapidly increasing share of the global electrical supply. This surge in demand puts pressure on power grids, which can lead to higher energy prices, and even blackouts, especially during heat waves when both data centers and human users rely on electricity for cooling. Some large AI companies are now seeking to secure dedicated access to energy sources, creating market competition with other businesses and human consumers.
Water usage: Data centers use massive amounts of water for cooling, a fact that has drawn scrutiny from communities near these facilities, particularly in drought-prone regions. Competition for local water supplies can pit the needs of AI infrastructure directly against the needs of residents and local businesses.
Land use: The physical footprint of new data centers and the energy infrastructure needed to power them competes with other land uses, including residential and commercial development. Siting new facilities can face local opposition due to their environmental impact and the stress they place on community resources.
Proportional cost allocation
The issue of allocating costs for shared resources is complex and currently lacks a widely adopted standard for balancing AI and human usage.
Corporate cost allocation: Within companies, the practice of attributing the costs of AI (including training, infrastructure, and energy) to specific projects or departments is an emerging field. This ensures that departments using the most compute resources bear a proportional share of the expense.
Societal cost allocation: On a broader societal level, there is currently no formal system for allocating shared resource costs between AI and human consumption. As AI demands increase, this could change.
Potential approaches could include:
Market-based pricing: Higher utility costs for electricity and water, driven by AI demand, are passed on to all customers. This effectively allocates costs based on usage, though it could place a greater burden on lower-income human consumers.
Regulation and policy: Governments could impose taxes or usage caps on data centers to manage resource consumption. Revenues from such measures could be used to subsidize costs for human customers or invest in renewable energy and water infrastructure.
Transparency and accountability: Some experts suggest that AI developers and companies should be transparent about their environmental impact and bear more responsibility for mitigating the costs. This would inform the public debate and hold corporations accountable for their resource footprint.
Ethical considerations
The resource competition between AI and human users raises significant ethical questions.
Human needs vs. corporate profits: The increased resource consumption for AI-driven services—such as content creation, social media, and online retail—must be weighed against fundamental human needs like access to affordable electricity and clean water.
Job displacement vs. new roles: While AI can significantly cut costs for certain tasks, it also poses a risk of job displacement. Some argue that AI should be used to “amplify” human workers rather than replace them entirely. In this scenario, cost savings could be used to create new, higher-value human roles.
Algorithmic bias: Decisions made by AI systems regarding resource allocation, such as prioritizing services during a resource shortage, could bake existing societal biases into automated decisions. A human-centric approach would be essential to ensure fairness and equity.
Hi Koen
I see you have found tasks that you want to take care of to secure the future of humanity.
I make different choices. This Way the “big puzzle” is put together. Good luck to everybody who participate here!
Regards Svein
My estimate of 1 million hours was indeed exaggerated, but not a genuine typo. I meant two things: First, that the materials used to make the ECAT could be easily and inexpensively recycled or “recharged.” Andrea Rossi has indeed written about this before. In this way, you effectively multiply the “lifespan” of the embedded raw materials.
I was inspired by this idea after reading a news report that INDAVER, a company owned by one of Belgium’s leading entrepreneurs, Fernand Huts (Katoennatie), has succeeded in producing virgin styrene (ethylbenzene) and virgin naphtha from waste plastics. This kind of drive and perseverance to create perfect products is exactly what our world needs. By “perfection,” I don’t just mean financial gains, but also material, social, and ecological added value.
So, my point was never about the lifespan of a single ECAT NGU, but rather about making its components infinitely recyclable.
I write my texts in Dutch and then use DeepSeek to translate them. However, I’ve noticed that when I use long sentences with subordinate clauses and adverbial phrases, they tend to be translated quite literally into English, making them difficult to understand.
The same thing happened with Svein’s text: when I read your text, it seemed as if the house, the boat, and the pier were all made of stone blocks.
Kind regards,
Koen
Caro Svein,
Caro Andrea Rossi,
Grazie per la vostra gentile risposta.
La mia stima di 1 milione di ore era infatti esagerata, ma non un vero e proprio refuso. Volevo dire due cose: primo, che i materiali con cui è realizzato l’E-Cat potrebbero essere riciclati o “ricaricati” in modo facile ed economico. Andrea Rossi ne ha già scritto in passato. In questo modo, si moltiplica di fatto la “durata di vita” delle materie prime incorporate.
Sono stato ispirato da questa idea dopo aver letto una notizia secondo cui INDAVER, un’azienda di proprietà di uno degli imprenditori più importanti del Belgio, Fernand Huts (Katoennatie), è riuscita a produrre stirene vergine (etilbenzene) e nafta vergine da rifiuti plastici. Questo tipo di determinazione e perseveranza nel creare prodotti perfetti è esattamente ciò di cui il nostro mondo ha bisogno. Con “perfezione”, non intendo semplicemente guadagni finanziari, ma anche valore aggiunto materiale, sociale ed ecologico.
Quindi, il mio punto non era mai sulla durata di un singolo E-Cat NGU, ma piuttosto sulla possibilità di riciclare all’infinito i suoi componenti.
Io scrivo i miei testi in olandese e poi uso DeepSeek per tradurli. Tuttavia, ho notato che quando uso frasi lunghe con subordinate e proposizioni avverbiali, queste tendono a essere tradotte in modo molto letterale in inglese, rendendole difficili da capire.
La stessa cosa è successa con il testo di Svein: quando ho letto la vostra traduzione, sembrava che la casa, la barca e il molo fossero tutti fatti di blocchi di pietra.
@David
What is the problem? The ecat will have a 230/110 Volt outlet. Everyone who want to heat a room can plug in an electric heater or also a water heater.
Electricity is the greatest energy with which you can do everything.
Best regards
R.Brand
Thank you for your detailed answer. I largely agree with your points of view.
In 1994, I received the Norwegian Civil Engineers Environmental Protection Prize for my extensive work in changing the legislation in our country so that discarded refrigerators/freezers were drained of CFC gas before they were further recycled.
I have architectural interests as this was one of my early education choices.
I live in a 90-year-old, more-insulated and spacious detached house approx. 20 m from our local harbor where I have a good boat at my own pier which is built up of roughly hewn natural Norwegian stone blocks.
Much of my menu therefore consists of fresh fish, shrimps and crabs. In a few days I will start my participation in the annual lobster fishing which lasts for 2 months.
My heat pump is practically invisibly placed and is powered, in Norway, only by pure hydroelectric energy.
I have full confidence in AR and have ordered a 3 kW Ecat.
I assume that your long lifespan assumption for Ecat is a decimal error.
Otherwise, the normal lifespan for water heaters is stated to be 20 years. I myself have had such ones for longer.
As Europe’s largest and the world’s most efficient energy supplier, Norway has a significant responsibility for ensuring that far more than our own citizens can live a good life as much as possible in harmony with nature and the environment.
This also applies to behavior towards our country’s citizens.
Tomorrow is the 1st anniversary of the Ecat demonstration in Latino. I ask you and everyone else to stand up and raise a toast to AR and his team with wishes that the soon-to-be “launching” will be 100% successful!!!
Dear Andrea Rossi,
On the NGU Power Generator 1 kW device, which dimensioned side is the one which must face vertical for proper operation?
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Your latest post on X has me curious! Does it mean you’ve already started mass-producing parts for the E-Cat?
It just seems logical that you’d need mass-produced components to build those 22kV test setups, rather than making everything by hand. I also assume the 22kV systems will need plenty of testing before a full-scale rollout.
So, this has me wondering—and hoping!—is there a chance some of us might be able to use an E-Cat to power our homes by the winter of 2025-2026?
Thanks for any insight you can share!
All the best,
Koen
The way that the electrical generation market is evolving, the AI power sector will put such a high demand on the installation of the 22KV system that the sales into the home market will be delayed for a indeterminate time frame.
The 22kv system is an ideal redundant high availability power source for AI data centers. RAND projects that global AI data center power demand could reach 327 GW by 2030. This is a high-end estimate that assumes exponential growth trends for AI computation will continue. The NGU likely to get embroiled in this scramble. The partner will be hard pressed to build huge production plants to meet demand.
The largest tech companies, known as hyperscalers, are planning and constructing data centers with capacities of 2 GW or more to meet this demand, a massive increase over previous facilities.
It is hard to imagine that a AI company would opt to field a natural gas powered power source if large NGU systems are on the market. In this type of demand environment, the home market is an insignificant nuisance. The partner will need to sign long term supply contracts to multiple trillion dollar companies what will impose shark penalties for non deliveries.
But what can Dr. Rossi do about this situation? Awhile back, I told Dr. Rossi to come up with a NGU design that integrates the NGU into the AI processor chips to provide direct on board power production. This would make these data centers much more efficient and less impactful to the energy infrastructure. Time will tell if this wisdom comes to pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byUS9-An9ls
AI demand driving up energy costs for everyday Americans, Bloomberg News finds
Dear Dr Rossi
Thank you for your additional information regarding pre-order status. It seems clear that “start of deliveries” is not necessarily the same thing as “start shipping on pre-orders”.
Now IMO the key question your followers would like to know is NOT when product delivery will start because those will likely go to the partner who needs to start trying to recovering on their large investment, but is
“When will product start shipping on the pre-orders?”
I know you can’t answer this question now. Please update us on this timing as soon as you are allowed to, assuming the partner has not already made a public announcement re the start of shipping these pre-orders.
Best Regards
LarryG
LarryG:
Their massive order has been made before Leonardo Corporation issued the pre-order form and they financed Leonardo Corporation before we issued the pre-order form; all your questions ask for answers I am not able to give, because such decisions do not depend on Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Svein,
Thank you for your insight and suggestions,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea
The results from the “September tests” seem to fully confirm the expectations about Ecat’s properties.
It is obvious that if 20/22KV modules consist of small modules, the small ones must function perfectly.
I therefore congratulate you, your team, your licensees and all JoNP’s followers, on the result.
It now seems necessary to update https://ecatthenewfire.com/ with any corrections or improvements that have emerged through production conditions and the tests.
This opens up for public tests and measurements carried out by the leading neutral institutions that take care of national and international controls and certifications of such equipment.
Only such confirmations can provide general acceptance for what Ecat can deliver.
As soon as public tests and/or approvals are available, it will also be natural to present the licensees and for the production of Ecat to be initiated.
(Further details such as production volumes and variants may come later.)
The possibility of enormous amounts of energy that Ecat Power can release from the latent, free and eternal energy source ZPE is thereby demonstrated to humanity.
The same applies to the global “democratization” of electricity and the possibilities for safeguarding the global climate by Ecat directly replacing hydrocarbon combustion in all the most extensive areas of use.
Solar panels are a similar example here. Not long ago this was an undiscovered technology. Today it is accepted and widely used without “everyone” understanding the technological details.
The technology to transform wind power and the energy in running water into electricity is also not old in relation to humanity’s original exploitation of these mechanical forces.
It seems possible to convince both political, religious and scientific leaders of the benefit for everyone by acquiring, for example: a 4 kg electronic device for $ 7500 that continuously delivers an output of 3 kW, 24/7 for over 10 years, by emission-free and free electrical energy.
This exemplified amount of energy is today most often covered by burning over 100,000 kg of the planet’s limited HC resources. This also entails an emission of over 200,000 kg of harmful CO2 into our atmosphere.
The energy can be supplied where you are, without expensive, complicated, energy-intensive and vulnerable supply networks.
I also share Neri A.’s considerations about the simplifications that Ecat makes possible here.
Modern society’s high dependence on electricity makes security of supply crucial.
Today’s existing networks will, for a long time, be necessary before a total change is implemented.
Both producers and transporters of energy are given more time to adapt than is usually the case with major industry-specific technological developments.
Today’s one billion people without electrical networks have the easiest choice.
ECAT REPRESENTS A DECISIVE “PARTH OF THE ROAD”. THE CHOICE SEEMS SIMPLE FOR EVERYONE.
Everything mentioned here can be presented to “COP 30” which will be held in Brazil later this fall.
This annual world conference is now perfect to inform everyone about Ecat’s latest developments.
Over 99% of the information base seems to be ready for an imminent presentation.
The gigantic energy needs that new AI infrastructures require could make Ecat an important part of “Project Stargate” if the participants here, early enough, become aware of this upcoming opportunity.
In Silicon Valley, there is currently great concern that they will not get enough electricity to build out more AI capacity.
Here may 20/22 KV units be most relevant.
Regards Svein
Dr. Rossi, thanks for the additional information re Global Licensee.
I am trying to get a feel for how long we will have to wait for our small pre-orders to get shipped once deliveries start.
Do I interpret your comment correctly to mean the partner is the first to place a ##massive### order, and their are smaller orders placed prior to this massive one?
I suspect that your partner will not be able to use their entire order quantity right away and put some into inventory if shipped to them in full. So…will the partner phase his deliveries over time so that some of the other pre-orders placed after theirs will get filled prior to their massive pre-order being completely filled?
Or is it that once their order starts shipping, will we have to wait for their order to be completed before the next in line will get theirs?.
Best Regards, DrLG
LarryG:
Please read my answer to Frank Acland posted minutes ago,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Frank Acland:
Thank you for the link.
The big units of 22 kV are just assemblies of small units. The pre-orders will be respected.
Our Global Licensee has been the first, years ago, to send a pre-order for a massive number of Ecats, even if our license agreement has been signed eventually, and he has financed Leonardo Corporation since the year 2018.
The decision of when to start the deliveries to all the next pre-orders will not depend on Leonardo Corporation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Dr. Rossi
Frank alerted us to the publishing of this months monthly update. In it you wrote “The start of deliveries is still scheduled to happen within this year,” but also “The Global Licensee is intensifying tests for modules that will generate 20/22 kV “. If your partner starts shipping these, and only these, high end products before the end of the year then the projection for shipping by year end will have been successfully met, but those of us that have placed pre-orders a long time ago will not be getting anything.
I fully understand that you have no control over which products get shipped first once deliveries start, but do you have any information as to what product they will ship first? Will any of the 10W/100W/1000W versions be shipped?
Please give us at least your best guess as to whether or not we will be getting the products we have already placed pre-orders for starting before year end.
Best Regards
DrLG
Dear Andrea,
I read your latest update on X today:https://x.com/LeonardoCorpor3/status/1973822149270831386
With the Licensee focusing on high voltage E-Cats, what is the status of the smaller units that are available for preorder?
Many thanks,
Frank Acland
Arnab Saha:
Within this week,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
When your update will come?
Jumping to the Power the Grid discussion, there is no need for a high voltage eCat Power Generator. Use the eCat Power Generator to generate DC power, convert it to the local voltage levels using off the shelf inverters, and then use standard Grid transformers to convert the voltage to the Grid intermediate voltage. Simple solutions are generally better…
Neri Accornero
I agree with you, the beauty of Ecat is not having to rely on the electricity grid.
I’m sorry I couldn’t meet you in person, I went into the hardware store in Badesi and they told me you’d just left.
Neri Accornero:
Thank you for your opinion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
Producing high-voltage ECAT for “connecting it to the grid” seems like absolute nonsense and sheer folly, given the difficulties you’d face. Ensuring the constant, stable operation of hundreds of thousands of 10W generators in series-parallel configurations is an almost impossible endeavor, not to mention the necessity of managing voltage, current, and phase for grid connection. The ECAT represents a conceptual revolution, not just a scientific one; it’s “infinite energy scaled on site,” from a pocket flashlight to an ocean liner. This is a situation humanity has never experienced before. Any traditional fire requires transporting fuel.
I believe that the industrial production of ECAT should focus squarely on this aspect: on-site availability at the required energy load. Even on the aforementioned ocean liner, you wouldn’t have one massive central plant, but thousands of ECAT units of varying power for every single application, from individual refrigerators, to single pumps, to each motors, etc.
Neri
I would not be surprised if the global licensee of the Ecat will start the deliveries only with the intermediate power line stations for the following reasons:
– a lot of soi disant R&D companies specializing on cold fusion and its derivations are collecting funds from investors while promising that within this year they will start the production of their energy generators: what a strange coincidence with the same term by which the deliveries of the Ecat will give them the chance to buy an Ecat and make its reverse engineering !
– intermediate power line stations are highly professionally managed and will make the corroboration of solid ground of reputation to the Ecat to make sure that the Ecat is a safe and reliable product, to avoid that malicious and fake news of unreliability could attack the reputation of the Ecat
– if a partner of the global licensee is an energy provider that has his own intermediate power line stations, probably they are already working on it
We’ll see, though !
David
Giuseppe Censorio:
The Researchgate paper’s link has been published here: http://www.ecat.com
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea,
after your publication was removed from ResearchGate, have you considered submitting it to another online archive such as arXiv, Zenodo, or Academia?
Regards, Giuseppe
1248Tullio:
Thank you for your suggestions. Obviously this topic has been resolved and the issue so far is confidential,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Richard:
1. not so far
2. my theoretical support is in the paper “Ecat SK and long range particle interactions” published on Researchgate, whose link is here: http://www.ecat.com
This paper is not for the layman, but the laymen do not need theoretical explications, just need to read the instructions manual
3. nonsense
4. this decision will not depend on me
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Gavino Mamia:
Thank you for your support and for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Koen Vandewalle:
This decision will not depend on me,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Good morning Dr. Rossi, do you know if there’s a 100W Ecat planned, with a plastic casing and at least two USB ports?
Like the power banks currently on the market?
A portable device like this, which doesn’t require charging, would be a recommended purchase.
We’re all eagerly awaiting the October report.
Good luck!
Dr Rossi,
1. Do you plan to make available any kind of app to remotely monitor and/or control the ecat power units?
2. To help laypersons like myself to understand the source of the energy produced by the ecat from the vacuum, which seems mysterious to such a layperson, would it be accurate to say that the energy is captured from energy passing through the ecat, or captured from energy residing latent within the ecat itself, or neither?
3. If the energy is latent within the ecat, can it be exhausted?
4. For those of us who placed ecat pre-orders long ago, will orders be shipped in the order received or will some large volume customers receive preference over earlier orders so as to crowd out those earlier orders?
Thank you for your attention to these questions.
Good morning Dr Rossi,
the shut of of the Ecat is more power is taken is a huge issue because if units are parallel connected then each voltage will change even by few millivolts and thus current will not be distributed evenly between modules. This will create a huge risk of having all modules stopping if one (or few) are delivering voltage higher than others, a “chain reaction” will begin and soon all the modules will shut off.
If modules are on the opposite series connected again the one delivering higher voltage will easily overload and thus the whole chain will stop to deliver voltage.
In my opinion what is required is a device using “switched capacitors” connected between the true ECat output and the load. In this way you can adjust once for ever not the current but instead the amount of charge you are taking from the ECat.
This is done by charging a number of capacitors on the Ecat side while the same number of capacitors are discharged on the load side. By doing this if the load increase simply the voltage on the load side will drop but on ECat side the load can be kept always the same.
Now a days this electronics can be made very cheap as only ceramic capacitors can be used and few Mosfets.
Actually similar circuits are already common for balancing out series connected battery cells.
I can imagine you are working on something similar but it can be very interesting to know some more about the topic
Looking forward if you can enter into details as this topic has nothing to do with your core technology while will have a big impact to the practical application of the technology
All the best
Tullio
Greg Leonard,
The simplest circuit I can think of is a resistor in series with the lamp. For a 12VDC 10W supply, a 14 Ohm, 5W resistor would probably work. Once you received the eCat 10W unit, you could try smaller resistance values. At 14 Ohms, the voltage at the lamp would about 6 Volts.
Alternatively, use a current limiting circuit consisting of a few resistors, a transistor, and a MOSFET.
Greg Leonard:
Not so far,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Mr. Rossi,
I have a concern regarding production capacity and public communication.
If your licensee’s partner is developing medium-voltage grid applications, their needs could account for nearly all ECAT production, yet this sector is unlikely to generate mainstream public awareness.
My question is: does this risk leaving early pre-order customers with a very long wait?
I hope you can provide some clarity on this.
Sincerely,
Koen
Dear AR,
I understand the NGU will stop working if I try to take more than 10W (0.85A). A single, old fashioned, 5W car bulb will attempt to draw much more than the limit. Is there a simple circuit I could introduce to limit the start up current to 0.85A until the bulb warms up and settles to 0.425A?
regards
Greg Leonard
Kirk:
Exactly; the partner of our global licensee is working also that way,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
@Steven Nicholes Karels- Best thing than all would be an Ecat system at 20/22 kV to send electricity to intermediate power line stations.
Best,
Kirk
Svein,
My analysis was directed toward the smallest eCat system that made sense. If selling back to the Grid is entertained, then much larger kW systems would make sense.
Steve
To Steven N. C.
I refer to yesterday’s post: “Design for a Minimalist eCat Residential System.”
Here I do not see that you have included costs, both financial and environmental, in connection with heating in winter and air conditioning in summer.
Nor have you included the good business opportunities that supplying electricity to your closest neighbors and local business/industry, via the existing electricity network, represents.
Alleviating the load on today’s undersized network will save significant costs for the network owner and further for every consumer.
By taking into account all the possibilities that Ecat opens up for both the individual and society, it seems to me that taking a starting point in covering my maximum electricity needs is the smartest thing to do.
By selling the exsess power , which will primarily be distributed to the closest others in the network, my total costs can probably be covered faster than the next 10 years.
I encourage you to use your analytical skills to assess such a situation for the US market.
Regards: Svein
@Max, you can if the voltage is the same
Max:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Steven Nicholes Karels:
Thank you for your suggestions,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Design for a Minimalist eCat Residential System
Assume a residential house – eCat power for the lights, the Stove, the television, the electric Water Heater, and the refrigerator. Items that would need to be powered during a Grid blackout.
The average residential home (in the US) consumes 64 gallons of heated water per day.
It takes 0.244 kW-hrs to raise 1 gal of water 100 degC.
The temperature difference (60 degC heated temperature minimum 20 degC inlet temperature) is 40 degC.
Total daily energy demand for the water heater is about 6.25 kW-hrs
A refrigerator uses 1 – 2 kW-hrs per day.
A television uses about 6 kW-hrs per day, assume 500W and 12 hrs per day.
Lighting is assumed to consume about 4 kW-hrs per day.
A stove is assumed to consume 6 kW-hrs per day.
Total energy consumption is about 24 kW-hrs per day.
Assume an eCat 1 kW Power Generator running continuously. Its output goes into a smart solar inverter which is connected to a 48 VDC battery system with 100 Amp-hr capacity.
The smart solar inverter control power going to the water heater, the stove, and the refrigerator, so that only one load is active at any one time, as required.
The solar inverter would need to provide 120VAC/240VAC split phase power, probably around the 8 – 10 kW capacity.
Dedicated electrical wiring, independent of Grid power conductor would be needed.
This Grid Independent eCat power would provide the majority of the average daily electrical needs. Other power needs (heating, cooling, etc) depend on the climate and additional needs.
Thoughts?
Hello Andrea, a simple question. Let’s say I will buy two E-cats. One with 1kW output, the other one of 100 Watts. Let’s imagine I need to power up a device which needs 1080 Watts. Is there a way to combine these two units to obtain the needed output? Warm regards, Max
It is hoped that commercialization of the NGU will produce a condition of overabundance in energy production to forestall looming competition between corporate and human allocation of resources. Without a sucessful effort to introduce the NGU into general use, hard to deal with issues are likely to be on the horizon as follows:
Competition for resources—including electrical power, water, and land—is emerging between AI and human customers. As AI grows more capable and widespread, its increasing demands for energy and cooling are straining existing infrastructure, which can impact resource availability and costs for everyone.
The competition for resources
Electrical power: Data centers that power AI are consuming a rapidly increasing share of the global electrical supply. This surge in demand puts pressure on power grids, which can lead to higher energy prices, and even blackouts, especially during heat waves when both data centers and human users rely on electricity for cooling. Some large AI companies are now seeking to secure dedicated access to energy sources, creating market competition with other businesses and human consumers.
Water usage: Data centers use massive amounts of water for cooling, a fact that has drawn scrutiny from communities near these facilities, particularly in drought-prone regions. Competition for local water supplies can pit the needs of AI infrastructure directly against the needs of residents and local businesses.
Land use: The physical footprint of new data centers and the energy infrastructure needed to power them competes with other land uses, including residential and commercial development. Siting new facilities can face local opposition due to their environmental impact and the stress they place on community resources.
Proportional cost allocation
The issue of allocating costs for shared resources is complex and currently lacks a widely adopted standard for balancing AI and human usage.
Corporate cost allocation: Within companies, the practice of attributing the costs of AI (including training, infrastructure, and energy) to specific projects or departments is an emerging field. This ensures that departments using the most compute resources bear a proportional share of the expense.
Societal cost allocation: On a broader societal level, there is currently no formal system for allocating shared resource costs between AI and human consumption. As AI demands increase, this could change.
Potential approaches could include:
Market-based pricing: Higher utility costs for electricity and water, driven by AI demand, are passed on to all customers. This effectively allocates costs based on usage, though it could place a greater burden on lower-income human consumers.
Regulation and policy: Governments could impose taxes or usage caps on data centers to manage resource consumption. Revenues from such measures could be used to subsidize costs for human customers or invest in renewable energy and water infrastructure.
Transparency and accountability: Some experts suggest that AI developers and companies should be transparent about their environmental impact and bear more responsibility for mitigating the costs. This would inform the public debate and hold corporations accountable for their resource footprint.
Ethical considerations
The resource competition between AI and human users raises significant ethical questions.
Human needs vs. corporate profits: The increased resource consumption for AI-driven services—such as content creation, social media, and online retail—must be weighed against fundamental human needs like access to affordable electricity and clean water.
Job displacement vs. new roles: While AI can significantly cut costs for certain tasks, it also poses a risk of job displacement. Some argue that AI should be used to “amplify” human workers rather than replace them entirely. In this scenario, cost savings could be used to create new, higher-value human roles.
Algorithmic bias: Decisions made by AI systems regarding resource allocation, such as prioritizing services during a resource shortage, could bake existing societal biases into automated decisions. A human-centric approach would be essential to ensure fairness and equity.
Hi Koen
I see you have found tasks that you want to take care of to secure the future of humanity.
I make different choices. This Way the “big puzzle” is put together. Good luck to everybody who participate here!
Regards Svein
Koen Vandewalle:
Thank you for your opinions,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dear Svein,
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Thank you for your kind response.
My estimate of 1 million hours was indeed exaggerated, but not a genuine typo. I meant two things: First, that the materials used to make the ECAT could be easily and inexpensively recycled or “recharged.” Andrea Rossi has indeed written about this before. In this way, you effectively multiply the “lifespan” of the embedded raw materials.
I was inspired by this idea after reading a news report that INDAVER, a company owned by one of Belgium’s leading entrepreneurs, Fernand Huts (Katoennatie), has succeeded in producing virgin styrene (ethylbenzene) and virgin naphtha from waste plastics. This kind of drive and perseverance to create perfect products is exactly what our world needs. By “perfection,” I don’t just mean financial gains, but also material, social, and ecological added value.
So, my point was never about the lifespan of a single ECAT NGU, but rather about making its components infinitely recyclable.
I write my texts in Dutch and then use DeepSeek to translate them. However, I’ve noticed that when I use long sentences with subordinate clauses and adverbial phrases, they tend to be translated quite literally into English, making them difficult to understand.
The same thing happened with Svein’s text: when I read your text, it seemed as if the house, the boat, and the pier were all made of stone blocks.
Kind regards,
Koen
Caro Svein,
Caro Andrea Rossi,
Grazie per la vostra gentile risposta.
La mia stima di 1 milione di ore era infatti esagerata, ma non un vero e proprio refuso. Volevo dire due cose: primo, che i materiali con cui è realizzato l’E-Cat potrebbero essere riciclati o “ricaricati” in modo facile ed economico. Andrea Rossi ne ha già scritto in passato. In questo modo, si moltiplica di fatto la “durata di vita” delle materie prime incorporate.
Sono stato ispirato da questa idea dopo aver letto una notizia secondo cui INDAVER, un’azienda di proprietà di uno degli imprenditori più importanti del Belgio, Fernand Huts (Katoennatie), è riuscita a produrre stirene vergine (etilbenzene) e nafta vergine da rifiuti plastici. Questo tipo di determinazione e perseveranza nel creare prodotti perfetti è esattamente ciò di cui il nostro mondo ha bisogno. Con “perfezione”, non intendo semplicemente guadagni finanziari, ma anche valore aggiunto materiale, sociale ed ecologico.
Quindi, il mio punto non era mai sulla durata di un singolo E-Cat NGU, ma piuttosto sulla possibilità di riciclare all’infinito i suoi componenti.
Io scrivo i miei testi in olandese e poi uso DeepSeek per tradurli. Tuttavia, ho notato che quando uso frasi lunghe con subordinate e proposizioni avverbiali, queste tendono a essere tradotte in modo molto letterale in inglese, rendendole difficili da capire.
La stessa cosa è successa con il testo di Svein: quando ho letto la vostra traduzione, sembrava che la casa, la barca e il molo fossero tutti fatti di blocchi di pietra.
Un caro saluto,
Koen
@David
What is the problem? The ecat will have a 230/110 Volt outlet. Everyone who want to heat a room can plug in an electric heater or also a water heater.
Electricity is the greatest energy with which you can do everything.
Best regards
R.Brand
David:
Thank you for the suggestion,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Svein:
Congratulations for your 1994 Norvegian Civil Engineers Environmental Protection Prize !
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Dr Rossi,
Why don’t supply the Ecat incorporting the heating elements for clients that want to use it for heating ?
Dear Koen
Thank you for your detailed answer. I largely agree with your points of view.
In 1994, I received the Norwegian Civil Engineers Environmental Protection Prize for my extensive work in changing the legislation in our country so that discarded refrigerators/freezers were drained of CFC gas before they were further recycled.
I have architectural interests as this was one of my early education choices.
I live in a 90-year-old, more-insulated and spacious detached house approx. 20 m from our local harbor where I have a good boat at my own pier which is built up of roughly hewn natural Norwegian stone blocks.
Much of my menu therefore consists of fresh fish, shrimps and crabs. In a few days I will start my participation in the annual lobster fishing which lasts for 2 months.
My heat pump is practically invisibly placed and is powered, in Norway, only by pure hydroelectric energy.
I have full confidence in AR and have ordered a 3 kW Ecat.
I assume that your long lifespan assumption for Ecat is a decimal error.
Otherwise, the normal lifespan for water heaters is stated to be 20 years. I myself have had such ones for longer.
As Europe’s largest and the world’s most efficient energy supplier, Norway has a significant responsibility for ensuring that far more than our own citizens can live a good life as much as possible in harmony with nature and the environment.
This also applies to behavior towards our country’s citizens.
Tomorrow is the 1st anniversary of the Ecat demonstration in Latino. I ask you and everyone else to stand up and raise a toast to AR and his team with wishes that the soon-to-be “launching” will be 100% successful!!!
Regards Svein